This may be tough for some to swallow, but....

[brakelite]

All prophesy from God is true and will come to pass or already has

I think we need to be a little more circumspect when it comes to prophecy... Most of prophecy is conditional. If My people humble themselves and pray... Etc then from heaven I shall hear....
Prophecies regarding the restoration of the nation of Israel and the healing of their land was conditional on their faithfulness to the covenant. While God kept His end of the agreement, they didn't. They broke the covenant. Thus the promises pertaining to that covenant were voided by sin and apostasy. And it is the same with the gospel. The promises that are attached to the new covenant are also conditional. Justification and our ultimate salvation are not unconditional. God's love is unconditional... But not His promises.

 

[farouk]

I think we need to be a little more circumspect when it comes to prophecy... Most of prophecy is conditional. If My people humble themselves and pray... Etc then from heaven I shall hear....
Prophecies regarding the restoration of the nation of Israel and the healing of their land was conditional on their faithfulness to the covenant. While God kept His end of the agreement, they didn't. They broke the covenant. Thus the promises pertaining to that covenant were voided by sin and apostasy. And it is the same with the gospel. The promises that are attached to the new covenant are also conditional. Justification and our ultimate salvation are not unconditional. God's love is unconditional... But not His promises.

I do see a future for Israel in Scripture; that, is of a faithful remnant.

 

[brakelite]

I do see a future for Israel in Scripture; that, is of a faithful remnant.

Who is Israel?

 

[farouk]

Who is Israel?

1 Corinthians 10.32 shows that Israel is distinct from the church.

 

[brakelite]

1 Corinthians 10.32 shows that Israel is distinct from the church.

Who are the'Jews'spoken of here... The nation, or the rulers who murdered their Messiah?

 

[farouk]

Who are the'Jews'spoken of here... The nation, or the rulers who murdered their Messiah?

The verse is speaking of the three entities of people in the world since Pentecost.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I think we need to be a little more circumspect when it comes to prophecy... Most of prophecy is conditional. If My people humble themselves and pray... Etc then from heaven I shall hear....
Prophecies regarding the restoration of the nation of Israel and the healing of their land was conditional on their faithfulness to the covenant. While God kept His end of the agreement, they didn't. They broke the covenant. Thus the promises pertaining to that covenant were voided by sin and apostasy. And it is the same with the gospel. The promises that are attached to the new covenant are also conditional. Justification and our ultimate salvation are not unconditional. God's love is unconditional... But not His promises.

You contradict scripture:
1. You said MOST prophesy is conditional
Scripture says: Matthew 5:17-18 Jesus said Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. For assuredly I say to you, til heaven and earth pass away, one jot or tittle will by no means pass from the law until all is fulfilled.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I think we need to be a little more circumspect when it comes to prophecy... Most of prophecy is conditional. If My people humble themselves and pray... Etc then from heaven I shall hear....
Prophecies regarding the restoration of the nation of Israel and the healing of their land was conditional on their faithfulness to the covenant. While God kept His end of the agreement, they didn't. They broke the covenant. Thus the promises pertaining to that covenant were voided by sin and apostasy. And it is the same with the gospel. The promises that are attached to the new covenant are also conditional. Justification and our ultimate salvation are not unconditional. God's love is unconditional... But not His promises.

You said the covenant God made with Israel is void because of their sin...wrong
God made a Covenant with Abraham that he will be the father of many nations.
God's Covenant is never conditional..
God sent prophets to speak to Israel...

 

[brakelite]

It needs a president who will protect our religious freedoms!

Having religious freedom is nice. It makes sharing the gospel so much easier right? But Jesus promise is that if you live your life according to His precepts, you will suffer persecution. I think it good and right to pay for our leaders that our freedoms may be extended that we may be able to preach the gospel unhindered. The question I have though for Americans living under the current administration... Is sharing the gospel really the true reason for desiring freedom, or is it just to make life easier? Is the hope that America becomes great (again sic) based on the freedom to share Christ or to enjoy health, wealth, and happiness?
Losing an inscription on your money shouldn't hinder your ability to follow your conscientious scruples re Christian faith... It isn't as if someone is threatening American Christians with death and destruction of they continue to keep God's commandments is it. At least not yet.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Having religious freedom is nice. It makes sharing the gospel so much easier right? But Jesus promise is that if you live your life according to His precepts, you will suffer persecution. I think it good and right to pay for our leaders that our freedoms may be extended that we may be able to preach the gospel unhindered. The question I have though for Americans living under the current administration... Is sharing the gospel really the true reason for desiring freedom, or is it just to make life easier? Is the hope that America becomes great (again sic) based on the freedom to share Christ or to enjoy health, wealth, and happiness?
Losing an inscription on your money shouldn't hinder your ability to follow your conscientious scruples re Christian faith... It isn't as if someone is threatening American Christians with death and destruction of they continue to keep God's commandments is it. At least not yet.

You don't get it.....This nation has been blessed by God because it established itself as a nation under God.....the churches of this great nation started evangelizing all over the world sending missionaries to every corner, providing bibles, and establishing churches throughout.
It is the only nation that had a heart for the nations and started world outreach...the only nation that televises Christian programs throughout the world.
This is what is happening now....schools can't pray or read the Bible in classes but they can teach about Muslim faith.
Christians cannot place the 10 Commandments in a public place but Atheists and other non christian organizations can place their propaganda throughout any building....
Non-Christian faiths are filing complaints in the Supreme Courts that their religious beliefs are being violated by symbols of our history based on Christian roots and the courts are ordering these symbols to be removed.
Banks have ceased loaning money to Christian organizations.
California has withheld sales of buildings if it was for the purpose of establishing a church or Christian organization of some type. They tried to pass a bill prohibiting the circulation of Bibles.
Now do you understand?
And that's only part of the whole matter.

 

[brakelite]

You don't get it.....This nation has been blessed by God because it established itself as a nation under God.....the churches of this great nation started evangelizing all over the world sending missionaries to every corner, providing bibles, and establishing churches throughout.
It is the only nation that had a heart for the nations and started world outreach...the only nation that televises Christian programs throughout the world.
This is what is happening now....schools can't pray or read the Bible in classes but they can teach about Muslim faith.
Christians cannot place the 10 Commandments in a public place but Atheists and other non christian organizations can place their propaganda throughout any building....
Non-Christian faiths are filing complaints in the Supreme Courts that their religious beliefs are being violated by symbols of our history based on Christian roots and the courts are ordering these symbols to be removed.
Banks have ceased loaning money to Christian organizations.
California has withheld sales of buildings if it was for the purpose of establishing a church or Christian organization of some type. They tried to pass a bill prohibiting the circulation of Bibles.
Now do you understand?

I do understand. The same thing is happening here in Australia and in my home land, NZ. But America is not the only country with a heart for evangelism. But I do agree that the US was established prophetically and with a purpose... And that purpose was intricately tied to freedom of conscience and religious liberty. It was also intimately connected to the separation of church and state. Which is the basis for this thread... The erosion of that separation through the thirst for political power among evangelical Christian leaders.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Christian businesses are being sued because they refuse to do anything that violate they Christian beliefs....
The Sisters of the Catholic Church had to hire a lawyer and go to court to be exempt from Obamacare's mandatory birth control and maternity clauses in their health insurance.
A bakery was sued because he would not make a wedding cake for a gay couple....
Christians are being gunned down inside churches...
And I could just go on and on but I am tired.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I do understand. The same thing is happening here in Australia and in my home land, NZ. But America is not the only country with a heart for evangelism. But I do agree that the US was established prophetically and with a purpose... And that purpose was intricately tied to freedom of conscience and religious liberty. It was also intimately connected to the separation of church and state. Which is the basis for this thread... The erosion of that separation through the thirst for political power among evangelical Christian leaders.

Not all Christian leaders represent Christ...and yes there are some who use their title as a Christian Minister to profit themselves.....Al Sharpton is a real good example.

 

[brakelite]

@Heart2Soul I hear you. And I love American history and understand more than you may realise the place of America in Christian history.
And speaking of history, the great spiritual awakenings of the 18th and 19th centuries were real and had nothing to do with political endeavours. Then despite the turbulent years that followed... The civil war... Two world wars... Korea... Vietnam... The ongoing conflicts in the middle East all of which involved the US to a great extent, you had the Jesus movement which was as real as an awakening as the previous... And which greatly influenced cultures abroad and which engendered changes in society still felt today I think. Now I have little doubt of the sincerity and spiritual hopes of most American Christians. Hopes of peace... Enduring freedom to live according to conscience,.. And a desire,a yearning even for spiritual revival at all levels of society... But I have a question.
As you consider history, and how those previous great revivals became established and are today considered American folk lore and iconic to American culture, do you not see the danger in courting politics to accomplish today what politics had nothing to do with accomplishing yesterday?
Can I repeat something I said in a previous post....?

But the greatness of America isn't too be looked for in military might, financial wealth, or international popularity. Righteousness exaltsa nation. And that righteousness does not come through political means. What America needs is the deep repentant personal heart and soul wrenching hunger and thirst for righteousness that only the holy Spirit can deliver... Neither the church, nor the nation, needs Donald Trump for that.

 

[Giuliano]

I did not judge you....I said you do not hear the Holy Spirit....otherwise you would know that the favor of God is on this president and God is fulfilling His Prophesy through him.

What would you think if someone told you you weren't hearing the Holy Spirit because you support Trump? What prophecy? You're very vague about that.

I do not like many of trump's personal flaws but I know God is the one changing his heart.
My stand is to stand with God...and to pray for Trump not slander, gossip, curse, or "judge" (which is what you have done).

Which way is it? First you say he has flaws, then I'm a sinner for seeing those flaws and mentioning them.

 

[Enoch111]

Which way is it? First you say he has flaws, then I'm a sinner for seeing those flaws and mentioning them.

Trump's positive achievements seriously outweigh his flaws. But because of all the Left-Liberal hatred against him, people are willing to focus on the negatives and ignore the positives. Furthermore, not one of the Democrats running for office has the welfare of America in view. It is all about themselves, and their lust for power, so that they can undermine the Constitution and the laws of the land, and destroy America from within.

How does one account for Communists, Socialists, White Supremacists, Black Racists, Radical Muslims, Antifa Activists, Anarchists, Witches, and Wizards all joining hands to destroy Trump unless Satan is behind this evil conspiracy?

 

[Giuliano]

Trump's positive achievements seriously outweigh his flaws. But because of all the Left-Liberal hatred against him, people are willing to focus on the negatives and ignore the positives. Furthermore, not one of the Democrats running for office has the welfare of America in view. It is all about themselves, and their lust for power, so that they can undermine the Constitution and the laws of the land, and destroy America from within.

How does one account for Communists, Socialists, White Supremacists, Black Racists, Radical Muslims, Antifa Activists, Anarchists, Witches, and Wizards all joining hands to destroy Trump unless Satan is behind this evil conspiracy?

The white supremacists seem to love Trump.

Trump is empowering extremists on the left by giving them an easy target to protest about. Trump outrages so many people, it's easy to organize people against him. He makes nasty comments about Muslims -- that pleases many Christians -- but it inflames the Muslims. Trump is a very divisive President.

Undermining laws? Why is the FEC crippled? Unable to act? There aren't enough members to enforce the election laws. Trump nominated one person for one of the vacancies, and Mitch McConnell refuses to vote on Trump's nominee. This is opening the door to election violations next year since people can do all kinds of things and the FEC won't be able to act. I could go on about other ways Trump's undermined laws -- like taking money appropriated by Congress for one thing and using it for something he wants. That's definitely unconstitutional.

What really annoyed Joe Walsh (one of the original Tea Party people) was when Trump said he believed Putin instead of the American intelligence agencies. It annoyed Walsh enough that now he's running for President himself as a fiscal conservative. Trump's spending money like crazy, and both political parties are helping him do it. Our national debt is out of control at an all time high. If it's not taken care of, we'll wind up like the Third World countries who spent more than they had. Governor Weld, also running as a Republican, is much better since he's a true fiscal conservative. Neither Walsh nor Weld are liars in my book. I've often disagreed with Walsh (when his temper got the best of him), but I never doubted he genuinely meant what he was saying. He's also admitted he was wrong about some things. I admire him for that. While he's not claiming to be a good Christian when he admitted he was wrong, his actions show me he knows how to repent and admit it when he can see he's wrong. Trump never admits being wrong about anything. That's dangerous.

I could vote for either Walsh or Weld against the likely Democrat nominee -- most of them are too far to the left, most would spend as much money as Trump has if not more, leading us into financial ruin.

 

[Heart2Soul]

What would you think if someone told you you weren't hearing the Holy Spirit because you support Trump? What prophecy? You're very vague about that.

Which way is it? First you say he has flaws, then I'm a sinner for seeing those flaws and mentioning them.

Let's go ahead and mention everyone's flaws, starting with your own.
I am done with dealing with ignorance. You want to make it about a man.....I want to make it about God.
His prophesy towards Israel.

 

[Nancy]

I have no stake in this debate. I am looking at Trump from several thousand miles away, and reading both sides of the situation from different media sources. I am not a liberal communist left wing anti Semitic gay Clinton supporter. Nor do I believe Trump is a racist becsuse he wants to supposedly nuke hurricanes off the coast of Africa in the middle of the Atlantic. I am for the most part, completely apolitical. But I take an interest in world events and try to to keep an impartial perspective. What I see taking place in America now is a sad state of looming general apostasy on the part of the evangelical church in the states because of a misplaced misguided faith in politics as the answer to America's problems. Trump has become the evangelical Messiah, and the reaction to the articles thus far posted in this thread from conservative and libertarian sources which I believe are fair and for the most part, objective.
Because I perceive some glaring faults in Trump's demeanor and history, and also in his current performance, as well as dangers in the current love affair between him and the evangelical churches, I must stop sharing my opinion? Seriously? Because In your estimation he's God's man? When Bush entered a pulpit after 9/11 and said he was going to wage war against whoever instigated the plane hijackings etc, and said whoever is not for us is against us, did that make him God's man too? Because he vaguely quoted Jesus?

Lot's of politics in the Church. The indoctrination started with Reagan when one of his aides noticed how a group of Christians reacted to some small mention of God...they took off from there, divide and separate. So, they got their base and they have been pandering to the Evangelical mainline Church ever since. It is like, so many Christians just believe that Republican=Christianity...really??!!! NOT every Democrat is for abortion, not every Democrat believes in gay marriage yet, they are all put in this box and accused of these two wedge issues. Why did the second G.W. Bush admin. not vote these things out when they had complete control??? Well, then they would have no more wedge issues to bash all who were not Republican. It's bad enough that doctrine is so splintered but to bring politics into it is adding insult to injury. Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is Gods. And, He also said to pray for our "leaders", whether they be good or bad, and good luck distinguishing the two. To me, politics is being way too concerned with "the cares of this world". And, just because Trump does not take pay in the 3rd or 4th quarter means not a thing as the man is swimming in money. Presidents pay is just pocket change to him...but, he sure takes allot of glory for himself.
@brakelite , I to have become apolitical as, no one can be trusted...this country is steeped in corruption, as is the world. My trust is totally in The Lord, no matter who sits in the White House. He puts whomever He wants into office...so, I suppose He also put Hitler in office?? Too many people have misplaced trust in politicians, they can say whatever they want but...it is the fruits that shine a light on their darkness. God is obviously ushering in the end days, and everything is coming into place. And, also...what truly bothers me is this belief that America is GREAT!!! How arrogant. We are NO better than any other country, and worse in many ways. Politics will NEVER bring peace, only division...only Jesus can do that. We pray for our leaders whether or not we agree or even like them.

 

[Enoch111]

Let's go ahead and mention everyone's flaws, starting with your own. I am done with dealing with ignorance. You want to make it about a man.....I want to make it about God. His prophesy towards Israel.

For those who cannot grasp what is going on here is an excellent article:

September 8, 2019
Has liberalism become a religious cult?
By Patricia L. Dickson

Since the election of President Donald J. Trump, we are experiencing some of the fiercest resistance to a president in my lifetime. We have seen the rise of the violent leftist group Antifa along with a plethora of videos that clearly show members of the group physically attacking innocent people (mostly Trump supporters). With all of the evidence available, one would think the tolerant Democrat party would be the first to condemn the violence committed by Antifa. However, instead of condemning Antifa, the Democrats and their cohorts in the media highlight an alleged increase in hate crimes and white supremacist groups since President Trump’s election. The House Judiciary Committee even held a hearing on “Hate Crimes.”

Liberals’ failure to condemn Antifa signals that they feel that the violence against Trump supporters is justified because they deem them as racist Nazis. However, after an alleged hate crime is reported, the media fails to do follow-up reports that show that the majority of them turn out to be hoaxes that are perpetrated by the individuals that reported them. There is even a website that compiles a comprehensive database of the false reports of "hate crimes”.

When observing the weird seemingly uncontrollable behavior and outburst of the young Antifa members, I seriously wonder if they have mental issues. Have they been indoctrinated to actually believe that anyone that does not believe the same as they do is a Nazi? They even call police officers “Nazis.”

It is not just young Antifa members that constantly spew the Nazi nonsense. Many liberal college students believe the same. Where did they get these unfounded beliefs? How did these young people become so intolerant of different opinions? Have these young people been brainwashed by liberalism?

We are also witnessing extreme intolerance of differing opinions from seasoned liberal journalists. It is as though liberalism is a religion to liberals. How else do you explain liberal journalists putting their professional reputation on the line to knowingly report fake news about President Trump or members of his administration in order to support their false narrative that they end up having to later retract? In addition, liberals are very hateful and abusive to anyone that leaves the Democrat party. Their treatment of individuals that leave the party is similar to how cult members treat defectors. The following is an email that I received from one of my YouTube subscribers:

I have been watching your videos on YouTube back to back for four days solid. Just letting you know, I walked away from the Democratic/Liberal party just under a year ago. I feel broken, I feel deeply depressed, I feel isolated and alone.

Six months ago I felt very suicidal from most of my family and all of my friends, who are Democrats/Liberals, turning their backs on me -blocking me on FB - and literally deleting me out of their lives forever. My two remaining Democratic/Liberal family members that hasn't blocked me on FB, they are stand offish and don't comment on my posts like they once did, I'm losing them, too. It's just a matter of time. And, I never once tried to make them feel bad for remaining Democrats/Liberals...just respectfully told them I wasn't one any longer.

As I said, I walked away. I was one for 30 plus years and was a Social Justice Warrior - who marched on the streets protesting for Liberal causes...especially, I marched at every single event for Black Lives Matter for the Seattle chapter ever since it began. THAT alone has me still messed up in my head. Cause, while they were beating my Whiteness up and making me feel sickening guilty for being White...I was feeling utterly ashamed to be White and I remained faithful to them, until I walked away from it all...and, I feel like I betrayed them but not. That does not mean I am nowhere ready to jump in and support and vote for any politician right now, tho.

My god, I feel so spent, so tired and confused as hell about so much still...still go through bouts of anger and crying sometimes....and, I'm still healing from the vile hatred from the Left and for the part I willingly and stupidly played in it all. Right now, I have knee jerk reactions of panic and anger if I am told what I MUST DO or what I SHOULD DO...as far as me getting back involved with politics. I had years of it with the damn Democrats/Liberals and I just can't take it from anyone else at the moment. Yet, I am confused still about some things and feel lost. [emphases added]

The Merriam Dictionary defines a cult as great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work. The indoctrination and treatment that this individual described in her email has caused me to seriously consider that liberalism might have developed into a religious cult.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/09/has_liberalism_become_a_religious_cult.html