This world and the wicked are going up in a puff of smoke when Jesus come - thus negating Premil

[robert derrick]

Hello! Now is the day of salvation, the only day of salvation.

True. Every day on earth is the day to be saved.

There is not salvation after the coming of Christ.

Both comings.

There are no wicked left

True. The slaughter at Armageddon and the execution of goats, leaves on the sheep in inhabit the nations during the Lord's reign.

He comes to judge between them on earth, not just condemn and destroy.

Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.

This is proof that the Lord judges the people of the earth at His return, not His own people, who are in the air with Him.

The judgement is with equity, not with preconcluded hypocritical condemnation.

O let the nations be glad and sing for joy; for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

And the sheep of the nations shall rejoice in righteous judgment, and in His governing them.

And lastly, the judgement of the sheep and goats is that of the nations of the earth, not of the resurrected saints. That is why we call it the judgment of nations, not the judgment of saved saints.

You're prophecy is simply false. I'll be posted a new thread on this part.

as the Op shows and as you so habitually sidestep. The day of salvation has been ongoing since the Fall (Isaiah 49:8 and 2 Corinthians 6:2). It is the “acceptable time” or “acceptable year” (Isaiah 49:8, 61:2, Luke 4:19) to be saved. “Today” is an age of grace the only day to respond to His voice (Hebrews 3:7-8, 4:7). There is no other day of hope after this day for salvation.

Because there is no end to that day, whether on this earth, or the new one to be created.

And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

The unrepentant not saved, will not be allowed to enter New jerusalem with the saved ones, to eat of the healing leaves for their natural bodies.

A sign of the end is that the Gospel must “be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come" (Matthew 24:14).

The end of the gospel being preached on this earth, will be at the expiration of His thousand year reign on earth.

But the preaching of the gospel itself will never end. Not so long as there is God and the Lamb to be heard and seen of men.

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

At the end of this age (or literally, the consummation of the age), the time of God’s grace will finally be complete.

You no doubt want to see God's grace end, so you can watch the slaughter of all flesh on earth.

Neither God nor His grace ever ends.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

 

[WPM]

This world and the wicked are going up in a puff of smoke when Jesus come - thus negating Premil​

And he can't hardly wait! Pass out the popcorn folks. No wait, just some kernels, we'll have a lot of fire coming down soon.

And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Jesus Christ comes to save as much flesh as He can. Your prophesied christ comes to destroy as much flesh as he can:

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

And what do these texts say to refute what the Op has mentioned? Nothing! You refuse to answer simple questions that expose your theology and duck around clear and explicit Scriptures above that prove Amil. Every reader should note the Premil discomfort with the sacred text. You reinforce the Amil doctrine by your avoidance. ‘’

 

[WPM]

True. Every day on earth is the day to be saved.


Both comings.


True. The slaughter at Armageddon and the execution of goats, leaves on the sheep in inhabit the nations during the Lord's reign.

He comes to judge between them on earth, not just condemn and destroy.

Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.

This is proof that the Lord judges the people of the earth at His return, not His own people, who are in the air with Him.

The judgement is with equity, not with preconcluded hypocritical condemnation.

O let the nations be glad and sing for joy; for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

And the sheep of the nations shall rejoice in righteous judgment, and in His governing them.

And lastly, the judgement of the sheep and goats is that of the nations of the earth, not of the resurrected saints. That is why we call it the judgment of nations, not the judgment of saved saints.

You're prophecy is simply false. I'll be posted a new thread on this part.


Because there is no end to that day, whether on this earth, or the new one to be created.

And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

The unrepentant not saved, will not be allowed to enter New jerusalem with the saved ones, to eat of the healing leaves for their natural bodies.


The end of the gospel being preached on this earth, will be at the expiration of His thousand year reign on earth.

But the preaching of the gospel itself will never end. Not so long as there is God and the Lamb to be heard and seen of men.

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.


You no doubt want to see God's grace end, so you can watch the slaughter of all flesh on earth.

Neither God nor His grace ever ends.

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

You are winging it. The sheep are the righteous, the goats are the wicked. The sheep are caught up (rescued at His return. The wicked are destroyed and then judged. These are the only 2 peoples since the beginning of time. You are rewriting the biblical narrative to support your taught doctrine. Your teaching cannot abide the sacred text.

 

[robert derrick]

You are winging it. The sheep are the righteous, the goats are the wicked. The sheep are caught up (rescued at His return.

Which is why they are not in the nations, when the nations are judged.

 

[WPM]

Which is why they are not in the nations, when the nations are judged.

More avoidance!

Who are the sheep nations then?
Who are the sheep nations?

 

[robert derrick]

More avoidance!

Who are the sheep nations then?
Who are the sheep nations?

Somewhere with your other false prophecies.

The prophecy of Jesus is not of sheep nations vs goat nations, but of all nations being judged, and the sheep and goats divided from among them.

But, you now agree the judgment of nations, is not that of the already resurrected saints judging with Him.

 

[WPM]

Somewhere with your other false prophecies.

The prophecy of Jesus is not of sheep nations vs goat nations, but of all nations being judged, and the sheep and goats divided from among them.

But, you now agree the judgment of nations, is not that of the already resurrected saints judging with Him.

You have no reasonable comprehension of things written.

All the nations are judged. The sheep and goats will be divided from among the nations. The judged sheep of the nations, will be all that is left of the nations, for Him to govern.

But now you agree with the proof. It is the nations of earth judged, not the resurrected saints judging them with Him.

O let the nations be glad and sing for joy; for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.

Prophecy of a christ coming with condemnation and death for all without judgment, is obviously a false christ of false prophecy.

Who are the sheep then, and who are the goats?

 

[jeffweeder]

This world and the wicked are going up in a puff of smoke when Jesus come - thus negating Premil​

And he can't hardly wait! Pass out the popcorn folks. No wait, just some kernels, we'll have a lot of fire coming down soon.

Stop being silly Robert.
God is patient, not wanting any to perish.....,

2 Timothy 2:10
For this reason I [am ready to] patiently endure all things for the sake of those who are the elect (God’s chosen ones), so that they too may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus and with it the reward of eternal glory.

2Pet 3
9 The Lord does not delay [as though He were unable to act] and is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is [extraordinarily] patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will vanish with a [mighty and thunderous] roar, and the [material] elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and the works that are on it will be burned up.​

11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be [in the meantime] in holy behavior [that is, in a pattern of daily life that sets you apart as a believer] and in godliness [displaying profound reverence toward our awesome God], 12 [while you earnestly] look for and await the coming of the day of God. For on this day the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the [material] elements will melt with intense heat! 13 But in accordance with His promise we expectantly await new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.


The promise being looked forward to is his coming... Hello.

And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Jesus Christ comes to save as much flesh as He can. Your prophesied christ comes to destroy as much flesh as he can:

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

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We claim Jesus comes after much patience to save as many as he can. His coming is clearly the end when we inherit a NHNE.

He comes in vengeance against those who have rejected his gospel and grace after much patience.

2thess 1
5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering.

6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].

9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day [that is, glorified through the changed lives of those who have accepted Him as Savior and have been set apart for His purpose], and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed and trusted [and confirmed in your lives].

11 With this in view, we constantly pray for you, that our God will count you worthy of your calling [to faith] and with [His] power fulfill every desire for goodness, and complete [your] every work of faith, 12 so that the name of our Lord Jesus will be glorified in you [by what you do], and you in Him, according to the [precious] grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[WPM]

The goats are executed, and the sheep are saved: His Millennial reign begins with only saved newborn Christians among the nations.

And their children and babes, both in arms and in the womb.

What are these sheep doing left behind in mortal sinful bodies if they are sheep? Surely the sheep are caught up to meet the Shepherd when He comes? This does not make sense!

 

[WPM]

Op Note

Please note how Premils skip around these water-tight climactic passages in Scripture that prove the second coming spells the end for the unsaved and the end for mortals. Premils have no answer to this so they just duck and dive around the obvious. This proves that they are wedded to man's teaching rather than the inspired truth taught in God's Word.

 

[Patrick1966]

Job is (by his own confession) including himself in the resurrection

Will it not be AMAZING to meet in person all of the people in the Bible, such as Job?

 

[Patrick1966]

The wicked...are destroyed when Jesus comes.

Verse please?

 

[Patrick1966]

The second coming is the end.

So Jesus doesn't rule on Earth for 1,000 years?

I confess to being totally ignorant on this topic.

 

[WPM]

So Jesus doesn't rule on Earth for 1,000 years?

I confess to being totally ignorant on this topic.

Ok, so that theory emanates solely on the grounds that Revelation 20 must be chronological to Revelation 19 in time. It is not taught anywhere else in Scripture - only here in the most figurative setting in Scripture. Revelation is a book of symbols and figurative language. Revelation 20 is the same. It is therefore incumbent upon us to interpret this much debated passage by the many clear and explicit passages in Scripture that show the second coming to be the end.

 

[WPM]

So Jesus doesn't rule on Earth for 1,000 years?

I confess to being totally ignorant on this topic.

Look at my first few posts on this thread for starters.

 

[WPM]

Will it not be AMAZING to meet in person all of the people in the Bible, such as Job?

Agreed. Amen!

 

[Patrick1966]

Ok, so that theory emanates solely on the grounds that Revelation 20 must be chronological to Revelation 19 in time. It is not taught anywhere else in Scripture - only here in the most figurative setting in Scripture. Revelation is a book of symbols and figurative language. Revelation 20 is the same. It is therefore incumbent upon us to interpret this much debated passage by the many clear and explicit passages Scriptures that show the second coming to be the end.

 

[Patrick1966]

Ok, so that theory emanates solely on the grounds that Revelation 20 must be chronological to Revelation 19 in time. It is not taught anywhere else in Scripture - only here in the most figurative setting in Scripture. Revelation is a book of symbols and figurative language. Revelation 20 is the same. It is therefore incumbent upon us to interpret this much debated passage by the many clear and explicit passages Scriptures that show the second coming to be the end.

I will and I'll try to do my own research as well. Thanks.

 

[WPM]

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Ok. Let me try and help. Let us take one thing at a time.

Is there any second coming passage anywhere in Scripture that teaches there will be a thousand years period following that will include billions of sinful rebels against God?

 

[Patrick1966]

Ok. Let me try and help. Let us take one thing at a time.

Is there any second coming passage anywhere in Scripture that teaches there will be a thousand years period following that will include billions of sinful rebels against God?

Good question.

My understanding is that Jesus comes and puts an end to the antiChrist and throws Satan into a pit for 1,000 years. Are all of the egregiously evil people killed or do they remain? I don't know. Please enlighten me.