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Tithe...NOT a christian doctrine

Discussion in 'Christian Finance Forum' started by Goinheix, Aug 11, 2011.

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  1. TruthSeeker2012

    TruthSeeker2012 New Member

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    Marksman, I noticed you completely sidestepped and ran and hid from my question, and didn't answer but asked me questions instead! Thats an old sidestepping strategy that many use.

    Now Marksman, please be fair and do the right thing and answer a question that someone is sincerely asking you. Don't be frightened off my questions, just answer them directly and honesty please.

    Do you have perfect interpretation and perfect understanding of entire Scripture? Yes or No?

    If yes, do you really claim to be perfectly infallible?

    If no, then tell me..what part of Scripture have you misinterpreted and misunderstood?

    If you don't know, then do you agree and admit you could be teaching an erroneous doctrine and not know it?

    God bless.
     
  2. marksman

    marksman My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her

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    Oh yeah, that's right. My dog didn't bite you, it was his mouth. Father forgive him he knows not what he is saying.

    Don't worry WhiteKnucle, you are not the problem. I will give you 10 guesses as to who is and the last nine don't count.

    Now truth seeker (sic), you naughty boy. Answer the questions I have asked you.

    Frightened off your questions?????? You do have a high opinion of yourself. I am about as frightened off your questions as I am of a wet fish.

    1. Are you claiming that tithing is a false doctrine taught by false teachers? Do you believe I am a false teacher?

    ANSWER. Yes, yes and yes.

    2. Are you 100% certain that tithing was abolished by God?

    ANSWER: Yes.

    3. Do you have perfect interpretation and perfect understanding of entire Scripture?

    ANSWER: Yes

    4. If yes, do you really claim to be perfectly infallible?

    ANSWER: Yes.

    5. If no, then tell me..what part of Scripture have you misinterpreted and misunderstood?

    ANSWER: See above.

    6. If you don't know, then do you agree and admit you could be teaching an erroneous doctrine and not know it?


    ANSWER: See above

    7. Can you please explain this verse to me:

    Hebrews 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

    ANSWER: Yes.
     
  3. TruthSeeker2012

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    That's what happened with Jesus, they didn't hate Jesus, they hated the questions He asked and the truths He taught, and as a result, many wanted to see Him killed.

    The same applies to me, people don't hate me at all, but they hate the questions I ask and the truths I teach. If I came on this forum and agreed with everything some people have said, they would love me and embrace me. But because I challenged their beliefs, asked questions that they hated, they called me Satan instead.

    And seeing you have claimed to be infallible with perfect interpretation and perfect understanding of entire Scripture, then I guess there is nothing more for me to say to you, seeing you believe you have already perfected your understanding of entire Bible.

    God bless.
     
  4. jiggyfly

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    I think it is more of a case where you ask questions, others answer the questions you ask the same questions again, they answer them again, and you still ask the same questions once more. I think the real problem here is you don't like the answers to your questions.
     
  5. marksman

    marksman My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her

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    Now truth seeker (sic), you naughty boy. Answer the questions I have asked you.

    If you don't, we have caught you out as a charlatan and your credibility is a big fat ZERO.

    Apart from the fact that if you don't that makes you a liar as you said you would. A person who knows God as intimately as you claim to doesn't tell lies.

    So glad someone else has noticed what is very obvious.

    Bearing in mind that you claim to be an expert on the Bible because that is all you read, how come you have got it so wrong.

    Any reading of scriptures makes it very clear that the religious leaders of the day HATED JESUS because of his words and his popularity.

    I guess when you are perfect, you can't see your imperfections because of the plank in your eye, although I would have to say in your case, both eyes.

    Mind you, I don't expect you to understand this as your self proclaimed perfection has well and truly blinded your eyes to the.....TRUTH.
     
  6. TruthSeeker2012

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    I noticed it's the exact same 2 people who write messages here. Doesn't seem to be many people on here besides these 2 :)

    And Marksman keeps running and hiding from my questions, insulting me and then trying to ask me questions so he can avoid answering mine.

    Are there any Christians besides these 2 people that are willing to disuss tithing with me? Or are there only 2 people on this forum? :p
     
  7. marksman

    marksman My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her

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    This comment has exposed you as the charlatan that you are. My answers are there for everyone to see (post 182), except those who do not want to see, like truth seeker (sic).

    The fact is, you are the one that keeps running and hiding from my questions. If that is not the case, prove it by answering them.

    But I bet anyone any amount of money that he will run again from my questions for the simple reason he can't answer them. He only pretends he can because he has to keep up the facade of infalibility. But when push comes to shove, he is well and truly up the creek without a paddle.
     
  8. TruthSeeker2012

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    You have ran and hid from my questions, totally refused to provide direct and honest answers to my questions, and then you personally attack me and call me a charlatan, and then refer to you going to bet money with someone that I will not answer your questions. Is that what Jesus has taught to you to do, to behave this way towards people who sincerely ask you questions that you refuse to answer.

    Please read about the fruit of the Holy Spirit before you personally attack me again.

    And please stop using that old sidestepping strategy of "I will be betting money he won't answer my questions" routine, when all along it's YOU who has run and hid from my questions. I have come across that strategy before that you are trying to use on me, and it won't work on me at all.

    So now back on topic...when are you going to answer my questions and stop desperately trying to avoid them?

    And what do you think about all the millions of Christians around the world who love tithing and who tithe weekly to the Lord? What do you think about us? Do you believe that us Tithing Christians are all charlatans and lost false teachers?

    God bless.
     
  9. marksman

    marksman My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her

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    See post 182.

    If you want the truth Mr. truthseeker (sic) the answer is, I don't think about you.

    See post 182

    See post 182

    See post 182

    See this post and post 182

    I won the bet didn't I.

    Yes. he told me not to cast pearls before swine.

    You are a funny bloke. You keep rabbiting on about people personallly attacking you (which they are not. They attack what you say. Remember the dog who doesn't bite, it is his mouth) and then you tell us to keep attacking you after we have read about the fruit of the spirit.

    What strategy is that? The only one I am aware of is asking you to answer my questions which you seem determined not to do. Your main strategy is to hide behind all sorts of false accusations to avoid answering questions which you can't answer.

    Probably not as most of them are fed up with your arrogant, smug and self righteous holier than thou attitude.

    I know I am a sinner and I know I am not perfect but when you have this silly idea that you can do no wrong as you give us the impression, then you empty your credibility basket quicker than you can say Jack Robinson and that's a fact dear brother.

    God bless.
     
  10. TruthSeeker2012

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    Can you list for me the sins that you continue to commit?

    God bless.
     
  11. marksman

    marksman My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her

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    Will you answer the questions I asked you?
     
  12. TruthSeeker2012

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    So you have refused to answer any of my questions, yet you then make demands I answer your questions. Interesting approach, and reveals a fear inside you, that my questions frighten you that you cannot answer them.

    I will try to ask you again, hopefully you won't be too frightened to answer this time, and hopefully you will not continue to refuse to answer my question, for if you do, then I believe it's useless us going in circles and I will find someone else to discuss Bible with.

    Now...you admitted you continue to sin, so tell me, can you list for me the sins that you continue to commit?

    And Marksman, can you please tell, honestly and truthfully, do you have inside you any feelings whatsoever of hatred towards me? Please answer honestly.

    God bless.
     
  13. WhiteKnuckle

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    I'm taking solid issue with you personally and directly right now.

    This is twice you have warned someone of commiting an unpardonable sin. You stand to accuse if someone says a teaching of yours is false. You may be a Spirit filled believer. If you act in a way that someone percieves as devilish, and say to you "get behind me Satan", that's not calling the Holy Spirit the Devil. Now, you as a supposed Preacher, should understand that more so than a "layman". You may be Spirit filled, but that doesn't mean you listen.

    Your questions are bating, and leading. Your questions responses and replies seem to serve no more purpose than to cause controversies.

    The calling sign of a false teacher is to "warn" the person taking issue that they are somehow in danger of being damned for "attacking" what you say.

    This is the debate section of this forum. Learn to take criticism of your teachings like a man! Better yet, learn to take criticisms of your teachings like a Man of God!

    If it were up to me, I would give you a 24 hour notice to prove that you are a pastor at a church. If you couldn't I would give you a permanent ban. If it were up to me, I would give you a 72 hour ban for accusing people of blasphemy.
     
  14. TruthSeeker2012

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    You are obviously emotionally out of control and saying things out of emotional hysteria and not fact and truth...and I can prove it.. show me anywhere I have said he committed the unpardonable sin? Show me post number and exact words! If you fail to do so, then I encourage you to humble apologize to me and ask me to forgive you, which I will do.

    You cannot, begin to make false accusations towards thy neighbour and threaten to ban someone from the website just because your thoughts are controlled by hysteria and emotions and just because you hate the doctrines that I debate and share! Tell the truth and nothing but the truth and stick to facts, not false accusations!

    So? Can you show me and others where I have accused anyone of committing the unpardonable sin and blaspheme? Post # and comments please?

    God bless.
     
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    Post #162 and Post #188


    Not emotional or hysteria. Just facts, and I'm not standing for it. I don't allow people like you to go unchecked with what you say.

    You're not here for any good and your time is limited.
     
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    In those posts you listed, Post #162 and Post #188, I failed to see any comments made by me that someone has committed the unpardonable sin and blaspheme, which shows you have lied about me and made false accusations.

    HeRoseFromTheDead accused me of being Satan and I kindly pointed out that we must be careful accusing people of having an evil spirit because there's a risk involved in doing so, Mark 3:28-30, but nowhere in any of those posts did I claim anyone had ALREADY committed the eternal sin, so you have lied about me WhiteKnuckle!

    And is that how you deal with people you think are bad people and sinners, you threaten them that their time is limited and that they will be thrown out? Is that what Jesus would have said and done? I rest my case.

    The reason you are making false accusations about me and threatening to have me banned is that you cannot handle me challenging your teachings. If I had have agreed with everything you said and taught, you would open your arms to embrace me and want me to continue being here on this forum. You are lying about me and making false accusations about me, probably even to the Admins, and threatening me with saying my time here is limited, because you want to do anything to SILENCE ME and the truth I share.

    If I was walking down the street and you saw me, you would probably scream out, "Crucify him, crucify him!"

    God bless.
     
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    I never threatened you, merely stated what I would do if I had the authority to do so. I also haven't done anything to get you banned or repremanded by anyone else.

    I'm taking this up directly with you.

    Your time is limited. You're not the first person who behaves like you do. You come and go like the breeze. When you realize that everyone doesn't agree you will leave. Your controversy and your accusations and your haughty head wont stand to reason. You're full of paranoia and fear.

    You, not knowing my character, would assume that I would spread lies or be a tattle tell. Simply not my style. If I have an issue, and ONLY if it's serious, I will take it up with the person myself, and do so publicly.
     
  18. marksman

    marksman My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her

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    See post 182

    Fear? Don't kid yourself.

    See post 182,

    I think that you will find people are reluctant to discuss the bible with someone who refuses to discuss the bible, preferring the "í'm right and your wrong" attitude, especially when you are a child spiritually and give the impression that you know as much as Jesus did.

    Seeing as you have a morbid obsessioon with other people's sins here goes....

    1. I only pray three hours a day. It should be more.

    2. I only read the scriptures two hours a day. It should be more.

    3. Sometimes I only give 100% of my income away. It should be more.

    4. Sometimes I only go to 90% of the meetings each week.

    5. I don't kiss my six grandchildren every day.

    6. I have three meals a day. With all the poverty in the world it should be only one.

    7. On average, I witness to 25 people a week, which is not really enough.

    8. I don't take part in every meeting which I should.

    9. I said bugger yesterday.

    10. I befriended a homosexual and invited him to our fellowship. Inviting sinners who are sinning to our meeting is quite wrong.

    What sins do you specialise in?

    Honestly.....the only feelings I have for you is pity because you are the only one who cannot see how immature and arrogant you are.

    Who are you trying to kid? You have told me to answer your questions. I have told you several times that the answers are in post 182 and what is your reply. Answer my questions.

    If that is debate, I am a monkey's uncle.

    And what about your lies? You said you would answer my questions and you haven't. That is a lie in my books.
     
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