Tithing Or 2 Corinthians chs 8 & 9 - which is right?

[Truman]

You would be wrong in that belief (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Primarily. I believe scripture has a spiritual level to it. God used much O.T. scripture in teaching me about sanctification. For example, Isaiah 28 & Ezekiel 13. Whether it's O.T. or N.T., the word of God is the word of God. Peace.

 

[Truman]

If you're not already expecting them, you should, and the further up-wind from any "target" -- the better:

Rev. 6:13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth ...​

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Rev. 6:15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the generals and the rich and the strong, and every one, slave and free, hid in the caves​

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Rev. 8:8 The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea; 9 and a third of the sea became blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
10 The third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star fell from heaven, blazing like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the fountains of water. 11 The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died of the water, because it was made bitter.
12 The fourth angel blew his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of their light was darkened; a third of the day was kept from shining, and likewise a third of the night.​

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... and of course satan would destroy all mankind except GOD will preserve man from extinction ...

Matt. 24:22 And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.​

... where "being shortened" means that we'd only have two hours of daylight due to the smoke, ash, and dust in the air. And so the "kings" will REALIZE that they're not killing OTHERS, but killing THEMSELVES, and will STOP LAUNCHING the nuclear weapons for their own self-preservation.



So are you PREPARED, or simply going to "cross your fingers"?

Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.​

And Scripture suggests that we're some 14 months away from Global Thermonuclear War.
Bobby Jo

Funny, -- my wife and I have both tithed from when we were individually "saved" and GOD has RICHLY BLESSED US beyond anything we could have ever hoped for, -- including a "cabin" which I prayed for and received against all expectations.

Maybe some people ask and don't receive because they lack faith, but I've even CHALLENGED GOD with HIS Promises, and received IMMEDIATE RESULTS. Conversely, maybe some people ask amiss, or RECEIVE BLESSINGS in OTHER FORMS than expected.

I don't see a problem!!!


And if I might add, -- I don't believe that Tithing is what YOU want to do, it's what GOD has BEST for you!
Bobby Jo

Then we can agree to disagree? Shalom.

 

[Truman]

We are not communicating. The context includes whether the church is really Israel or not. My conviction is it is not, clearly. If ppl wish to give freewill offerings of more than 10%, then more power to them; but in the church, where are the Levites? Hebrews 7 has the answer.

I believe that the church (not its real name) is the body. After God removes the descendants of the lost 10 tribes from the body, those left will also return to Israel as a legitimate part of God's people.
I believe God will choose 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes, who have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb. These will be the 144,000 talked about in the book of Revelation. I believe these will have a special connection to the New Jerusalem.
So we all have a place that God has custom made for each of us.
When I believe that God has told me a certain truth, I take pains to say this is what I believe this verse means. I say this because everybody says, "I teach the word of God," when in reality you teach your understanding of the word of God. 10 different people will say that "God gave me this understanding" about the same scripture, and yet they all say something different. Obviously, only 1 is right. I deal with this by seeking God for His understanding. Shalom.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Then we can agree to disagree? Shalom.

Each person chooses his own path. But at the same time, GOD sends others IN OUR PATH so that we might be encouraged, edified, instructed, and even rebuked. -- And so Scripture says to "Try The Spirits, to see if they be of GOD or not", versus "Throw Out Everything You Hear That You Don't Already Believe".

Bobby Jo

 

[marks]

I would contend that they have been blessed...just, perhaps not materially/financially (see Ephesians 1:3).

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.
12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

I'm curious, how large of a storehouse do you require to before it overflows with spiritual blessings in the heavenly places? But we know about barns that overflow with the abundance of the crop.

I like to remind that this was a covenant with a particular nation, and having particular promises.

But now we clip a piece of God's covenant with Israel, we reinterpret it to allow for it not being literally kept by God.

Not to mention . . . who can actually keep the tithe? You are to give 10% of the increase of your herd, and 10% of the increase of your crop (yield minus initial seed), you are to bring these to the levites at the temple. To the levite who lives in your area.

Isn't it really just our own idea that we take 10% of the note we receive for selling our time to a gentile church of our choosing? And then with the expectation that God will kind of hedge on His original promise, but we can claim a certain reward anyway?

But then Paul wrote that giving so not to be by compulsion, so that really puts paid to the idea of a 10% requirement.

Even so . . . you mentioned Ephesians 1,

2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

All spiritual blessings are in Christ, not in the tithe. Though I believe we will be rewarded in the age to come for what we give, and especially what we give sacrificially.

Much love!

 

[Bobby Jo]

... All spiritual blessings are in Christ, not in the tithe. ...

Faith without Works is DEAD. :)

Bobby Jo

 

[justbyfaith]

10 different people will say that "God gave me this understanding" about the same scripture, and yet they all say something different. Obviously, only 1 is right.

Or, perhaps none of them are right.

 

[justbyfaith]

you are to bring these to the levites at the temple. To the levite who lives in your area.

In Hebrews 7, it becomes clear that Melchizedec is a priest that was tithed to, and that Jesus Himself was high priest according to the order of Melchizedec. So then, his priesthood of believers, being priests according to the order of Melchizedec, can receive the tithe.

I would say that, specifically, it is those who minister the gospel who would qualify as recipients of the New Testamenr tithe as it refers to Melchizedec (1 Corinthians 9:1-18, 1 Timothy 5:17-18)

But then Paul wrote that giving so not to be by compulsion, so that really puts paid to the idea of a 10% requirement.

Receiving the blessing of Malachi 3:10 has nothing to do with giving by compulsion. You give your 10% with the understanding that He will pour out for you a blessing; but you do not give because you feel that you have to: you give because you know there is a blessing in it.

 

[marks]

but you do not give because you feel that you have to: you give because you know there is a blessing in it.

Rather, don't we give because we love the one to whom we give, and we give to them simply to nurture and care for them?

A society uses rules and laws and stipulations to provide for the needs of it's citizens, but the family (the healthy one, anyway!), the family cares for each other, and gives because of love, and not reward.

I love Paul's words, Don't you know that you are my crown of rejoicing? Something like that. The people. You are free to tithe as you are free to give in any other way. Does God give you a special blessing because you keep a tithe? God does many special things with us! But is someone else being robbed their blessing for giving in other ways? In the same way, each of our relationship with God is unique in the specific ways He means for us to serve.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

Rather, don't we give because we love the one to whom we give, and we give to them simply to nurture and care for them?

That too.

A society uses rules and laws and stipulations to provide for the needs of it's citizens, but the family (the healthy one, anyway!), the family cares for each other, and gives because of love, and not reward.

I do believe that men are sinful and therefore are generally selfish.

But is someone else being robbed their blessing for giving in other ways?

If you do not fulfill the condition of the promise, you will not receive the promise.

 

[marks]

If you do not fulfill the condition of the promise, you will not receive the promise.

And that promise again is what?

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

And that promise again is what?

Much love!

What we have been talking about...Malachi 3:10.

 

[marks]

What we have been talking about...Malachi 3:10.

So then crops and herds so abundant that you won't have big enough barns and folds. That's what God promised to Israel, and what Malachi was talking about.

Much love!

 

[marks]

According to Ephesians 1, we have all spiritual blessings in Christ, not in the tithe.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

According to Ephesians 1, we have all spiritual blessings in Christ, not in the tithe.

Much love!

So, Ephesians 1 makes Malachi 3:10 null and void?

 

[marks]

So, Ephesians 1 makes Malachi 3:10 null and void?

Nothing changes Malachi, but it was given to Israel.

Where do we find spiritual blessings outside of Christ, when God tells us we have all spiritual blessings In Christ?

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

Nothing changes Malachi, but it was given to Israel.

Where do we find spiritual blessings outside of Christ, when God tells us we have all spiritual blessings In Christ?

Much love!

2Pe 1:3, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4, Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Heb 11:33, Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,

2Co 1:20, For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Rom 4:20, He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21, And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22, And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

The promise of Malachi 3:10 is found in Christ.

For Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament as well as the New.

 

[marks]

2Pe 1:3, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4, Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Heb 11:33, Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,

2Co 1:20, For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Rom 4:20, He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21, And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22, And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

The promise of Malachi 3:10 is found in Christ.

For Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament as well as the New.

I don't see any of these passages making Malachi to not mean the blessings it says. You won't have the room to store it, that's not just flowery language, it means, your barns won't be big enough.

God promised material blessing for keeping the tithe, and promised a lack of material blessing for not keeping it. And as you've pointed out, God doesn't change.

But now in Christ we have all spiritual blessings, but no promise that we'll never be poor!

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

but no promise that we'll never be poor!

Only if you don't count the Old Testament to be full of promises that we can lay a hold of as Christians.

 

[Truman]

In Hebrews 7, it becomes clear that Melchizedec is a priest that was tithed to, and that Jesus Himself was high priest according to the order of Melchizedec. So then, his priesthood of believers, being priests according to the order of Melchizedec, can receive the tithe.

I would say that, specifically, it is those who minister the gospel who would qualify as recipients of the New Testamenr tithe as it refers to Melchizedec (1 Corinthians 9:1-18, 1 Timothy 5:17-18)



Receiving the blessing of Malachi 3:10 has nothing to do with giving by compulsion. You give your 10% with the understanding that He will pour out for you a blessing; but you do not give because you feel that you have to: you give because you know there is a blessing in it.[/QUOTE
I believe that in the near future God is going to clarify what in scripture is for Israel, what is for the church, and what is for both. Shalom.