Tithing Or 2 Corinthians chs 8 & 9 - which is right?

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farouk

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You steal from GOD, and justify it by misconstruing Scripture. That's OK, I'm quite confident that GOD will still bless your household, -- yeah, not.

Bobby Jo
We are not communicating. The context includes whether the church is really Israel or not. My conviction is it is not, clearly. If ppl wish to give freewill offerings of more than 10%, then more power to them; but in the church, where are the Levites? Hebrews 7 has the answer.
 

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You've already said; and I've already replied. So go your way and enjoy your "reward".

Bobby Jo
To which group in 1 Corinthians 10.32 - Jews, Gentiles and the church of God - did the Levites - inextricably linked with tithe collecting - belong?
 

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We are not communicating about Scriptural facts regarding who Levites were.

If you want to blame the "Levites" for YOUR stealing from GOD, then I'm quite confident that GOD will understand that you're a thief.

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Many churches teach that Christians are commanded to give a minimum of 10% of their income to their church. Others teach that preachers of these churches are turning the 10% tithe in the Old Testament, under the old covenant into a monetary, legalistic prescription for Christians under the new covenant. I even once heard a Pastor make a challenge to his congregation to give 10% of their income for 90 days and if God does not bless them then he will give them their money back.

In 2 Corinthians 9:5-7 we read: Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren to go to you ahead of time, and prepare your generous gift beforehand, which you had previously promised, that it may be ready as a matter of generosity and not as a grudging obligation. But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.

I don't see a "specific percentage" amount of income commanded for Christians to give in the New Testament, but I certainly believe in giving and not just to our church. I also believe that everything we own belongs to God.

I heard once that being stingy with God can bring a curse. As Jesus said, "It is better to give than to receive." Shalom.
 
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In Malachi 3:10 we have a promise associated with tithing that the Lord will open the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing that you will not be able to receive.

Giving that 10% apprehends the promise spoken of in Malachi 3:10.

Of course you can give more or less...if you sow sparingly, you will reap also sparingly; but if you sow bountifully, you will reap also bountifully. So then, less than 10% does not apprehend the promise of Malachi 3:10; while giving more than 10% promises more of a harvest. And giving 10% or more does in fact apprehend the promise of Malachi 3:10.
Hi. I believe that the books of the old testament were primarily written for those under the old covenant. Peace.
 
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... especially when dealing in nuclear weapons, as Israel will shortly demonstrate ... :)
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You can't blame people for wanting to protect themselves, especially when surrounded by enemies. Let's hope that nukes are never used in anger again. Shalom.
 

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You can't blame people for wanting to protect themselves, especially when surrounded by enemies. Let's hope that nukes are never used in anger again. Shalom.

If you're not already expecting them, you should, and the further up-wind from any "target" -- the better:

Rev. 6:13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth ...

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W76 ICBM Re-Entry Bodies (note the STARS in
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Rev. 6:15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the generals and the rich and the strong, and every one, slave and free, hid in the caves

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Rev. 8:8 The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea; 9 and a third of the sea became blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
10 The third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star fell from heaven, blazing like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the fountains of water. 11 The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died of the water, because it was made bitter.
12 The fourth angel blew his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of their light was darkened; a third of the day was kept from shining, and likewise a third of the night.

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... and of course satan would destroy all mankind except GOD will preserve man from extinction ...

Matt. 24:22 And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

... where "being shortened" means that we'd only have two hours of daylight due to the smoke, ash, and dust in the air. And so the "kings" will REALIZE that they're not killing OTHERS, but killing THEMSELVES, and will STOP LAUNCHING the nuclear weapons for their own self-preservation.



So are you PREPARED, or simply going to "cross your fingers"?

Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.


And Scripture suggests that we're some 14 months away from Global Thermonuclear War.
Bobby Jo
 

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You would be wrong in that belief (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
If that promise in Malachi were meant for gentile believers, and not solely to Israel in it's covenant made at Horeb, if it is meant for gentile believers, I'm curious why there are a number of people I know who have tithed but not been blessed as that promise provides. Why do you suppose that would be?

Much love!
 

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If that promise in Malachi were meant for gentile believers, and not solely to Israel in it's covenant made at Horeb, if it is meant for gentile believers, I'm curious why there are a number of people I know who have tithed but not been blessed as that promise provides. Why do you suppose that would be?

Much love!
I would contend that they have been blessed...just, perhaps not materially/financially (see Ephesians 1:3).
 

Bobby Jo

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... I'm curious why there are a number of people I know who have tithed but not been blessed as that promise provides. Why do you suppose that would be?

Much love!

Funny, -- my wife and I have both tithed from when we were individually "saved" and GOD has RICHLY BLESSED US beyond anything we could have ever hoped for, -- including a "cabin" which I prayed for and received against all expectations.

Maybe some people ask and don't receive because they lack faith, but I've even CHALLENGED GOD with HIS Promises, and received IMMEDIATE RESULTS. Conversely, maybe some people ask amiss, or RECEIVE BLESSINGS in OTHER FORMS than expected.

I don't see a problem!!!


And if I might add, -- I don't believe that Tithing is what YOU want to do, it's what GOD has BEST for you!
Bobby Jo