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Featured Tongues and Related Issues

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by amadeus, Aug 21, 2019.

  1. Ezra

    Ezra Well-Known Member

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    goodness i simply made a comment please read again AT NO time did i reference you nor did i say you was making fun . once again going on experience
     
  2. amadeus

    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    Just keep on walking by faith... toward a better vision, that better 'sight' of face to face. In spite of what you have understood sight or vision really is needed, isn't it? Maybe we have failed to communicate:

    "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12
     
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  3. farouk

    farouk Well-Known Member

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    I have thought this verse refers to the eventual completion of Scripture, when sign gifts would no longer be necessary.
     
  4. amadeus

    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    I began praying to God in an unknown tongue in 1976. So you should revise your timeframe.

    I have never stated nor believed that the majority of Christian were less than me in the eyes of God, whose view in the only one that ultimately matters. I, of course, cannot speak for everyone else, but neither should you. Each of us should be content with what God has given us giving Him always the glory. We are not all the same part of the Body of Christ and we do not all have the same gifts... That there are differences is a given, but that should not be a basis for contention between us.

    If it really were all wrong as you say, why do you express such a lack of faith in God's ability to change anyone's heart?

    "And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:27

    Why must it be an argument between us? Is not advising those without the gift ignore the issue advising them to ignore also anyone who testifies that he has the gift? Is this what Jesus would do?

    Notice that I am not against all that you have written, but as I see it you would do better to first quote the verses and then state your interpretation or belief or opinion. We really should always want everyone to understand God's truth whatever it is.

    You must understand that my primary focus in this time given to me [75 years to date] by God is to do His will. Yet, it seems that you are effectively saying that doing by using the gift He has given me these many years I have been in error... Is this based on your studies or is that the way the Holy Spirit has led you?

    You are saying that if we had better Bible translators, there would be no confusion? Then why should we need the Holy Spirit to lead us at all? Are you an expert in the original Bible languages? Do you have an exact copy of or have access to the original manuscripts of the scriptures? Will you answer each of my questions honestly?
     
  5. Waiting on him

    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Ok since this miraculous gift still is in place then the gift of raising the dead should also be witnessed. How many people have witnessed this?
     
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  6. amadeus

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    Quite a few people apparently have thought that, but did God so intend it? I would say rather that God intends for His people to have their vision improved by the work of the Holy Spirit within them as the words read from the scriptures are quickened [brought to Life] within them making them the Word of God. That is the writing in the heart of the Israel of God [the Israel that is Israel where "God prevails"] as prophesied by Jeremiah:

    But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." Jerem 31:33
     
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  7. farouk

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    Anyway, I don't see the church in the Old Testament.
     
  8. VictoryinJesus

    VictoryinJesus Well-Known Member

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    It is a good question. Not sure of the tongues in question today...wouldn’t say either way. But then again I don’t have the gift so I wouldn’t know. A few passages that to give consideration in ever assuming one must have the gift or they have not been baptized with the Spirit:

    Daniel 2:28-30 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these; [29] As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass. [30] But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.

    Ezekiel 20:48-49 And all flesh shall see that I the Lord have kindled it: it shall not be quenched. [49] Then said I, Ah Lord God ! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?

    We know Jesus did(Speak in parables). We know they benefit the whole,yeah?

    Zephaniah 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent.

    1 Corinthians 14:4-5
    He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. [5] I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
    ^consider the “for Greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaks in tongues” ...that the church may receive edifying.

    Revelation 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

    Which seems to be two discussion going on in the thread maybe: one concerning and unknown tongue and “hear what the Spirit says” which the latter seems for all. then again...maybe they are the same(an unknown tongue and what the Spirit saith).

    John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

    ...it is a mystery. Who can say but God knows.
     
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  9. farouk

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    I think we need to be satisfied with revelation in the Bible; the sign gifts date from a time when the canon of Scripture was not yet complete.
     
  10. VictoryinJesus

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    Speaking of the Revelation of Jesus Christ...the book of Revelation. Considering the number of debates going on right now on this forum on its meaning ...it may very well be in an “unknown tongue”....
     
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  11. amadeus

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    People work in the gifts God has given them. Probably a great many "believers" do not work in the gifts available to them because they refuse believe God would really work through them.

    In this they are like the natural children of Israel who at the time of Jesus already for about 430 years had walked their own way with no prophets because they had hardened their hearts to God. The gifts are not seen much today, not because they are not available but because people don't believe they are available. People don't believe God can do these things, so according to their lack of faith they receive NOT.


    Will you blame the people who do have gifts and work in those gifts for a generalized lack of faith on the part of yourself or others who show their lack of faith by doubting the power of God? Do you suppose Jesus was speaking only to those Jews of 2000 years ago and not also to faithless Christian of today's generation with the following words?

    "Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me." Matt 17:17

    Must you see physical miracles with your natural carnal eyes before you believe in the possibilties, before you believe in the power of God?

    "According to your faith..."
     
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  12. Waiting on him

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    Could it be that Jesus’s frustration was that what He saw was people that were only seeking to save their lives?
     
  13. Grailhunter

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    Sounds like to me that you have had some wonderful spiritual experiences. But tongues is something you have to experience to truly understand. When you do, I am sure that you will know that what people say against it, is wrong. Many Protestants are of the opinion that God shut His mouth after the close of the Bible, but that is not true. The Trinity is very active and they speak to people that believe. Ask the people here that have spoken in tongues and they can tell you how it feels. They will testify that it is a blessing.
     
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  14. amadeus

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    A spiritual Hebrew is what it is. Not really Hebrew as men speak it but language we have in common with God. Anyone who really believes has a language in common with God. But as He has given other gifts to other believers, to some, such as you or me, He has provide this gift. For we who receive the gift to deny it would be to deny God Himself. People without it do not have to understand it. Their acceptance would or should be that not every part of the Body of Christ has or will have the same functions in the Body. This may also be a testing of their faith... remembering what faith is:

    "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Heb 11:1

    Unfortunately people who claim to be believers in God and Jesus are like the Pharisee of old insisting on "signs" they can see with their eyes of flesh.

    Amen!
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Are we searching for a feeling,or Christ?
     
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    Oh I would say that it feels like something when you are filled with the Holy Spirit...
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    The only language of God is edification of others.
     
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    Yea, feels pretty humiliating.
     
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    Seeing others better than self
     
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    @Waiting on him
    I understand that you do not believe. I am ok with that. I fellowship with many denominations and respect their beliefs. So God be with you and carry on.
     
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