Tongues ( 'sign' gifts ) did/did not cease?

[David in NJ]

I'm a Christian that follows the words of scripture wherever they lead.

Where does 1 Corinthians 1: 1-9 lead us???

What is the desired intent???

To what conclusion???

 

[MatthewG]

Where does 1 Corinthians 1-9 lead us???

What is the desired intent???

To what conclusion???

Hello

Didnt Paul have to also write a second letter to the people of Corinthians to correct some of the mistakes in the first one?

 

[David in NJ]

Hello

Didnt Paul have to also write a second letter to the people of Corinthians to correct some of the mistakes in the first one?

There were no mistakes in Paul's first letter.

The mistakes being made are coming from the divisions arising from two camps which began in Acts.

Division in the Body is the work of the enemy = just as it started in the Garden

 

[MatthewG]

There were no mistakes in Paul's first letter.

The mistakes being made are coming from the divisions arising from two camps which began in Acts.

Division in the Body is the work of the enemy = just as it started in the Garden

Why did he write a second letter then? He did in the second letter request for them to go and show love to the person who had sex and boasted about it to everyone about with mother-in-law, or am I mistaken? Maybe it was just to clear everything out with them in the second one, some things are Paul and his authority to those people is to keep the church bride pure.

 

[marks]

Truth causes division? Yikes!
Not if spoken in love.

Truth should draw, nor repel.

Build bridges, not walls.

Truth divides from those who disbelieve. That division is necessary. If you reject truth, you should not be counted among the truthful.

Much love!

 

[amadeus]

The Holy Spirit will never contradict Scripture. That is one way to test the spirits.

The Holy Spirit will NEVER contradict the Word of God.

 

[amadeus]

1stCenturyLady, people do. And when it comes to talking about subjective beliefs with you, it doesn't really do anything much for me. As people believe what they will, like Hell still being around, or Jesus Christ coming back. I believe Hell is done away with and Jesus did come back. I don't think tongues means anything that speaking either the tongue of the world, or the tongue of heaven by the spirit of Christ with-in you.

People be like you NEED TO SPEAK TONGUES OR YOU AINT RIGHT WITH GOD.

Bunch a bs, and to force people to believe something - - When people have to choose to believe or not; needs information to back it up.

But look people will hate (strong dislike) on others as 'Christians' to have such insane views.
Deem them Heretic, or even Deem them as 'someone who needs to be reformed to my beliefs'.

Even further - I am an elder and people must obey me and my ways, otherwise I will deem them unfit for the kingdom of heaven...

So many different mindsets in the world.

Are you putting God in a box my friend? There are different mindsets, and we may or may not follow some of them ourselves, but is it for us to decide for others which ones to follow or not... or may we simply leave it between them and our very capable God?

Joh 5:30

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Joh 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

 

[amigo de christo]

How are tongues different than the parables spoken by Jesus when he was walking as a man in the flesh?

Mt 13:10	And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mt 13:11	He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Do not some or even many people speak effectively in parables [as the Spirit giveth utterance] to others without speaking in [unknown] tongues?

Lest one interprets , they will not understand what is being spoken .
The most dire important thing is propheysing . UNLESS , unless one who speaks in tongues
has an intrepreter so that the rest of the church can be edified .
Most of the time tongues are for personal communication . But as paul once said
let he who speaks in tongues pray also that he may interpret it .
THE MAIN focus should be on the edification of the church to build it up .
Prophesying . However as paul once wrote , if one can interpret , A BIG FAT AMEN
share it with the church .
Every gift is meant for the edification OF THE BODY .
SO too is correction . Though often many folks shun any kind of correction within the church
and call it legalism and holler judge not . NO ITS VERY NECESSARY TO CORRECT ANY leaven within said church
and the FASTER the better too . cause my friend , LEAVEN NEVER stays small and it never travels alone
IT WILL LEAVEN A PLACE UP FAST .
LOOK how fast they got carried away with the dissmulation that peter had started .
IT TOOK over that place fast too . THANK GOD for HIS MERCY that HE SENT PAUL TO CORRECT THAT and fast .
YET I have a question . How come when one tries to correct leaven so fast today
THEY GET SEEN as a monster and a hater . CAUSE a false love has entered into the churches is why .
a love that cares not for the safety of the sheep but rather allows leaven in which leavens the place .

 

[amigo de christo]

The Holy Spirit will NEVER contradict the Word of God.

Which means it would not contradict the holy scrips , the words JESUS taught or the apostles either .
HOW do we know it is the SPIRIT that speaketh . IT WILL NEVER DENY CHRIST JESUS .
How do we know the prophecy is true . IT WOULD NEVER CONTRADICT CHRIST JESUS .
THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY IS THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST . But how fast this has been abandoned
by men who say THUS Sayeth the LORD , GOD HAS MADE THE PATH BROAD and other religoins and others
have no need to believe on CHRIST . AND THEY CALL THAT PROPHECY .
ITS A LIE from hell . cause the spirit of prophecy TESTIFIES OF JESUS CHRIST , it dont DENY HIM AS THE CHRIST
nor ivent other ways to GOD .

 

[amadeus]

Another great question to go along with this is "What about all the healings Jesus had told his disciples to go end up and do in his time", but today we can not do such things, and that is why I do see signs as already having been done though many may disagree. Thank you for anyone who came by to read what was written here, cause it is a curious question. Why can't we still today heal the blind like they did? It is Jesus who heals the eye of the heart (mind/will/emotion), and all one can do is share him as the solution.

If we cannot, why is that? Could it be that we are limiting God by our unbelief?

 

[Marvelloustime]

Which means it would not contradict the holy scrips , the words JESUS taught or the apostles either .
HOW do we know it is the SPIRIT that speaketh . IT WILL NEVER DENY CHRIST JESUS .
How do we know the prophecy is true . IT WOULD NEVER CONTRADICT CHRIST JESUS .
THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY IS THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST . But how fast this has been abandoned
by men who say THUS Sayeth the LORD , GOD HAS MADE THE PATH BROAD and other religoins and others
have no need to believe on CHRIST . AND THEY CALL THAT PROPHECY .
ITS A LIE from hell . cause the spirit of prophecy TESTIFIES OF JESUS CHRIST , it dont DENY HIM AS THE CHRIST
nor ivent other ways to GOD .

Brother is spotted. Praise the glorious Lord.

 

[amadeus]

Nothing wrong with that.

Does that mean you don't WANT to understand what the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is about?
Perhaps you believe that "knowledge requires action"? So, stay in the safety of shallow waters?

Eze 47:2	Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
Eze 47:3	And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.
Eze 47:4	Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
Eze 47:5	Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.

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[amadeus]

But remember we are not to speak in tongues during assembly if no one is there to interpret what we say.

Does speaking in tongues from God have more than one purpose?

1co 12:10

to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

 

[amigo de christo]

Does speaking in tongues from God have more than one purpose?

1co 12:10

to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

Well if one inteprets then it can edify the church .
Its also a sign for unbelievers . And it has personal uses in prayer languages .
Raise those hands my friend . ITS LORD Praising time in the building and round the world .

 

[amadeus]

So was there an interpreter?

If the message was from or of God, there certainly was an Interpreter!

 

[MatthewG]

Are you putting God in a box my friend? There are different mindsets, and we may or may not follow some of them ourselves, but is it for us to decide for others which ones to follow or not... or may we simply leave it between them and our very capable God?

Joh 5:30

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Joh 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

I dont think anything which was said limits God; it limits humans; who were never told yo go heal the blind, deaf, sick, lame (except the disciples). Fruit deals with your spiritual relationship with God. Which brings forth love.

That would be defined by 1 Corinthians 13; and also Galatians 5.

If we cannot, why is that? Could it be that we are limiting God by our unbelief?

I dont think so. Seems like an Age has passed in my opinion.

 

[Bob Estey]

Does speaking in tongues from God have more than one purpose?

1co 12:10

to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

I understand what I believe the original purpose was: Preaching the gospel to people in a language unfamiliar to us.

Whether or not there are other purposes, I wouldn't want "speaking in tongues" to become a status symbol, such that those who "speak in tongues" during assembly consider themselves superior to those who don't. I suspect such people aren't really speaking in tongues.

 

[amigo de christo]

Eze 47:2	Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
Eze 47:3	And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.
Eze 47:4	Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
Eze 47:5	Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.

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Yeah ponder on the beauty of that my friend . This ever wide river seen .
LOOK what that river does too . Then think , THE RIVER OF LIFE , the WATERS OF JESUS CHRIST , THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM
that ARE OF GOD and the LAMB . Oh yeah things seem to point to CHRIST JESUS in that bible . They do .
And now we are partakers and we await now the COMING OF THE KING TOO .
Wherein all lambs will one day be forever with HE who has saved us . Now that is PARADISE .
I tell us all a man could die happy IF THEY KNEW JESUS . For in truth that soul shall never die . IT FLIES HOME TO THE KING
who has saved it and its in paradise forever and ever and ever with HE WHO saved it .
JESUS has prepared a place and in that house are many mansions . a home for the lambs
where the temple is GOD and the LAMB and they have no need of the sun to lighten it , nor any light
FOR THE LORD GOD DOES GIVETH IT LIGTH and the LAMB IS THE LIGHT THEREOF .
WE have ALL HOPE . And lambs know it aint cause we earned it , ITS CAUSE GOD GAVE US GRACE IN JESUS CHRIST .
NOW lift those hands my friend . I tell us all we cannot count the reasons to PRAISE GOD for they are innumerable .
Let the LORD be praised my friend . My soul is lit up with JOY in the LORD just having even been reminded
about teh HOME that awaits us at the end of our faith .

 

[amadeus]

What I'm saying about this OP is that the meaning of Acts 2 cannot contradict 1 Corinthians 14:2. Do you agree?

Yes.

1 Corinthians 14:2 has one meaning about tongues spoken by themselves.

Yes.

 

[amadeus]

I understand what I believe the original purpose was: Preaching the gospel to people in a language unfamiliar to us.

Was that God's only purpose? Was it His first purpose? Consider that God knew all of His purposes at once. What would be first for Him?

Whether or not there are other purposes, I wouldn't want "speaking in tongues" to become a status symbol, such that those who "speak in tongues" during assembly consider themselves superior to those who don't. I suspect such people aren't really speaking in tongues.

For me it is not such a "status symbol" although in actions portrayed it certainly seems to be to some people. Unfortunately, some teachers teach it effectively as you suggest. They are likely not the only ones teaching error, are they? Do they realize any error? I leave that in God's hands as the only able to judge all things rightly.