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Featured tribulation and suffering part 1

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Randy Kluth, Jun 5, 2020.

  1. Timtofly

    Timtofly Well-Known Member

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    The Great Tribulation is for Satan. It should not happen at all. Please stop looking for it and an antichrist. Satan has fed the church many lies. The church is looking for God on the throne and the Lamb by His side. The apostate church has no clue.
     
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    Timtofly Well-Known Member

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    The church should be prepared for the return of Christ and God on the throne. Yes, I am turning my back on Satan's deception. You can freely follow Satan if you choose.
     
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    Timtofly Well-Known Member

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    God renamed Jacob to Israel. Why are we narrowing it down to the house of Judah? It is Judah that wants the nation of current Israel all to himself? The very notion you are preaching against.

    For one thing, Revelation is about the living. It is not about the dead and the past. Even trying to understand OT prophecies is tedious at best. I am not faulting any one for all the study they have done.

    Revelation is not a prophecy. That is my point. John actually is a witness to all events and lived to the bloody end, and went back and gave it to the 7 churches. Do not take my word for that fact. Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal it to you. I cannot unknow what I know from the Bible. Now you only see it as my interpretation. Just like I can only see most of your study as your interpretation, at least those parts that do not make sense. I accept most of what you post. Since Revelation is not a prophecy it is not set in stone like Reformed theologians want you to believe. They claim to know God's Sovereignty. Well God's Sovereignty says Revelation is not a prophecy and is not set in stone or predestined to happen. God knows multiple outcomes in God's Sovereignty and foreknowledge.

    Most of the prophecies in the OT have already been fulfilled, because the rest is not history, not predestined to happen. Nor was John allowed to give us all of what John witnessed. Some OT prophecies can not be applied because we have no record to apply them to. Even Daniel was not allowed to record all. All I can go by is written in Revelation itself. I cannot prophesy that an OT prophecy is about to happen or even will happen.
     
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    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    You disdain what GOD has Conceived, Called For, and CREATED. And that doesn't come without a penalty.

    Bobby Jo
     
  5. Keraz

    Keraz Well-Known Member

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    So you think it was God who established the Jewish State of Israel?
    How come they never acknowledge this?

    Note: there is no prophecy that says the Jews will have a general redemption; only a remnant will be saved. Isaiah 6:11-13, Romans 9:27, +
    The House of Judah had the Kingdom taken from them 2000 years ago, Matthew 21:43, and nowhere does the Bible say they will get it back. The Lord's faithful people are the Christian, born again believers.

    Those who think God still loves the apostate Jews, are very deceived, His chosen people now are the Christians. 1 Peter 2:9-10
    You threaten me for posting Bible truths? James 4:11-12
     
  6. Keraz

    Keraz Well-Known Member

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    I am not, it was the Jews that wrongly called their nation Israel.
    The real Israel, the ten Northern tribes still remain scattered among the nations. THEY have, in the main; accepted Christianity.
    I totally and completely reject this way out notion.
    John saw a preview of all that must happen, just as Jesus told him in Revelation 1:1
    Mot of the OT and the NT prophesies remain to be fulfilled. I believe that we who are alive for the next 20 or so years will see it all. Shouldn't we know what God has planned for our future?
     
  7. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    The Religious NEVER acknowledge GOD. -- They pretend to, but things haven't changed since the time of Jesus, because PEOPLE haven't changed since the times of Jesus.

    And as you observed, when the prospect of a Nation-State was pursued MANY Religious Jews REFUSED to financially support this fledgling nation. But it was CREATED and has SURVIVED under the DIRECT GUIDANCE of the ALMIGHTY GOD HIMSELF.

    It's only the naysayers who won't survive.
    Bobby Jo
     
  8. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

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    Hi Randy,

    I don't think there is much point in asking if I EVEN know anything at all. It's becoming very clear to me that you treat much of what is written as symbolic of something else, because you think certain things just cannot be.

    I don't see it that way.

    As an example . . .

    While I see this as prophesying the ubiquitous work for the priesthood in Jerusalem following Jesus' return and establishment of His kingdom.

    Much love!
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    What passage are you referring to?

    Much love!
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Post-rapture believers.
     
  11. Randy Kluth

    Randy Kluth Well-Known Member

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    I find prophecies like these difficult by their very nature. They spoke out of one culture and into another very different culture, ie out of the OT Law and into NT Law.

    So I'm not taking a stand on anything here, but only speculating. Symbols only provide backdrop for important theological statements.
     
  12. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

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    I think that they will be fulfilled "as is".

    Making things into symbols if that's not what is meant drains away the true meaning of Scripture. What makes you so certain that this won't actually happen?

    21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

    Why would we not think that all the cooking pots in Jerusalem will be used for cooking the sacrifices, exactly like it says? What reason is there in the text that this should not be understood literally?

    And if that is not to be understood literally, then what is? And, How do you know?

    Much love!
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    You're taking a stand that it doesn't mean what it says outright, it seems.
     
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    I'm following Satan?? That's a STUPID statement. So you're coping out on using common sense too, it would appear. Why don't you just put your Bible taped up in a box into the attic, since you want to deny what it reveals about the coming Antichrist.
     
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    The Jews remain in rejection of Jesus, with no likelihood of accepting Him in the future. What should God do about it?
    If you read the prophesies about the House of Judah, you would find out.

    I believe, supported by the Words of Jesus, Revelation 2:9 : that the Jewish State of Israel is under the direct guidance of Satan.
    God has allowed their existence for His own purposes. That is; to have a visible entity, a fake Israel, while He works with the real, hidden Israel of God.
     
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    Except for the Jews, I don't think there will be any other new believers after the Tribulation starts, assuming you don't believe you'll be here during the GT.
     
  17. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    Considering we crossed the Tribulation threshold some two years ago, maybe we can do a survey to see if you're correct or not. And I think I can already guess.

    Bobby Jo
     
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    I am challenging your false beliefs and you have nothing other than abuse to counter it. Tough!
    What rubbish.
    I don't hear any Trumpets yet.
     
  19. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    I think you need Medical/Psychiatric help more than Scriptural/Historical citations.

    Please take appropriate precautions. We've already recently lost a long time member, and don't need to lose another.
    Bobby Jo
     
  20. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

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    Why not?

    Do you see the sheep/goats judgment in Matthew 25 as a literal event?

    Much love!
     
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