Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
What may I ask is a tribulation saint?
Those who repent and turn to Jesus during the antichrist reign; this is Jew and Gentile alike.
Those who repent and turn to Jesus during the antichrist reign; this is Jew and Gentile alike.
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Rev 20:4)What may I ask is a tribulation saint?
Your idea that it is only those who come to Christ during the Great Tribulation, is wrong.The Tribulation coincides with the 3 1/2 year reign of the Antichrist. So Tribulation Saints are all those beheaded for their faith during that time. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Rev 13:7)
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Rev 20:4)
The Tribulation coincides with the 3 1/2 year reign of the Antichrist. So Tribulation Saints are all those beheaded for their faith during that time. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Rev 13:7)
It is perfectly plain that the change into immortality does not happen until the Great White Throne Judgment; AFTER the Millennium.On the first day of the Millennium age, the "Kingdom of Heaven" will be with us on earth. You cannot enter that kingdom age in a flesh body. Therefore, it is written in verse 52 that all will be changed, in the wink of an eye, and at the last trump (seventh trump). When that seventh trump sounds, everyone on earth will be changed to an incorruptible body.
Jesus does bring with Him the souls of those martyrs who were killed during the final 3 1/2 years before He Returns. They do not come back to life until after the Return. He is accompanied only by the angel army of heaven. Matthew 16:27, Revelation 19:14Jesus Christ our Lord is returning with His saints to the earth.
It is perfectly plain that the change into immortality does not happen until the Great White Throne Judgment; AFTER the Millennium.
There WILL be death during the 1000 year reign of Jesus. Isaiah 65:20
You have believed a lie. And you make wild and wonderful assertions about those fables.Nooo,the change happens at the return of Christ,for ALL!!!The difference is were you in Christ when that change takes place.For those who were they take part in the first resurrection ,those that were not ,stand a chance to die the 2nd death.
No birth or death will happen during the millennium
I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall ALL be changed,"
Perhaps a better response to the question would be: -
The saints who live during the time of the antichrist's reign.
It is perfectly plain that the change into immortality does not happen until the Great White Throne Judgment; AFTER the Millennium.
There WILL be death during the 1000 year reign of Jesus. Isaiah 65:20
Jesus does bring with Him the souls of those martyrs who were killed during the final 3 1/2 years before He Returns. They do not come back to life until after the Return. He is accompanied only by the angel army of heaven. Matthew 16:27, Revelation 19:14
I suggest that you study the scriptures more carefully before making incorrect assertions and posting error.
Jay,
This is an excellent statement. In my study of Scripture and other Bible teachers, I've found there are 2 main views on 'tribulation saints':
However, this topic opens up the need for another thread of pre-trib rapture vs post-trib rapture.
- If you believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, then those who become committed to Christ during this horrendous Great Tribulation period, are the tribulation saints.
- Those who believe in a post-tribulation rapture support the view that all Christians who live through the Great Tribulation are the tribulation saints.
Oz
Matthew 24:30-31 is clear: Jesus Returns, then He sends His angels to gather His people who have remained faithful thru all that happens before that Day.Per 1 Thess.4, Jesus brings the asleep saints with Him, and those are not the 'angels' you refer to.
Per Zechariah 14, Jesus brings all... the saints with Him when His feet touch down upon the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem.
That has to mean that He gathers all His elect Church on His descent to Jerusalem, and brings them there with Him. So whether dead or alive, we apparently are going to make up part of His army there.
You have believed a lie. And you make wild and wonderful assertions about those fables.
Paul does not say when his prophecy in 1 Cor 15:50-56 takes place, but we do see in verse 24, that he is telling about the final wrap up, after the Millennium.
The ONLY humans that will be resurrected when Jesus Returns, will be the Trib martyrs. Rev 20:4 is quite clear about this.
Isaiah 65:20, is quoted by everyone as proof that there will be births and deaths during the Mill.