Trinity vs. Tritheism: Understanding the Trinity.

[101G]

ok, Since you said that they are separate and distinct persons, ok, is the Person in John 1:3 a separate and distinct person from the Person in Isaiah 44:24. yes or No?

PICJAC

 

[Dave L]

ok, Since you said that they are separate and distinct persons, ok, is the Person in John 1:3 a separate and distinct person from the Person in Isaiah 44:24. yes or No?

PICJAC

the doctrine of the Trinity can be summarized in seven statements. (1) There is only one God. (2) The Father is God. (3) The Son is God. (4) The Holy Spirit is God. (5) The Father is not the Son. (6) The Son is the not the Holy Spirit. (7) The Holy Spirit is not the Father.

The Athanasian Creed puts it this way: “Now this is the catholic [universal] faith: That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons, nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another, and that of the Holy Spirit, still another. But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.”

Orthodox Trinitarianism rejects monarchianism which believes in only one person (mono) and maintains that the Son and the Spirit subsists in the divine essence as impersonal attributes not distinct and divine Persons.

Orthodox Trinitarianism rejects modalism which believes that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are different names for the same God acting in different roles or manifestations (like the well-intentioned but misguided “water, vapor, ice” analogy).

Orthodox Trinitarianism rejects Arianism which denies the full deity of Christ.

And finally, orthodox Trinitarianism rejects all forms of tri-theism, which teach that the three members of the Godhead are, to quote a leading Mormon apologist, “three distinct Beings, three separate Gods.”

 

[101G]

that's not what we asked, is the Person in John 1:3 a separate and distinct person from the Person in Isaiah 44:24. yes or No?

PICJAG.

 

[Dave L]

that's not what we asked, is the Person in John 1:3 a separate and distinct person from the Person in Isaiah 44:24. yes or No?

PICJAG.

You need to include John 1:2 also. This along with John 1:3 shows two persons called God.

 

[101G]

You need to include John 1:2 also. This along with John 1:3 shows two persons called God.

include all you want, but is the Person in John 1:3 a separate and distinct person from the Person in Isaiah 44:24. yes or No?

this will answer your creed you go by..... now you reply...

PICJAG

 

[Dave L]

include all you want, but is the Person in John 1:3 a separate and distinct person from the Person in Isaiah 44:24. yes or No?

this will answer your creed you go by..... now you reply...

PICJAG

You have two persons of God, right out of the shoot to deal with before you can deal with the rest. But your incapacity to admit this further erodes your credibility as a "teacher" of the word.

 

[101G]

You have two persons of God, right out of the shoot to deal with before you can deal with the rest. But your incapacity to admit this further erodes your credibility as a "teacher" of the word.

LOL, you can't answer the question, that's called deception.

as for John 1:2 the Word is the same in John 1:1 which clearly states, "and the Word was God". so we have the SAME one PERSON.

once again we ask, "is the Person in John 1:3 a separate and distinct person from the Person in Isaiah 44:24". yes or No?

PICJAG.

 

[Dave L]

LOL, you can't answer the question, that's called deception.

as for John 1:2 the Word is the same in John 1:1 which clearly states, "and the Word was God". so we have the SAME one PERSON.

once again we ask, "is the Person in John 1:3 a separate and distinct person from the Person in Isaiah 44:24". yes or No?

PICJAG.

You cannot answer your question truthfully because you omit John 1:2 when quoting John 1:3. Dishonest?

 

[101G]

You cannot answer your question truthfully because you omit John 1:2 when quoting John 1:3. Dishonest?

Here’s your dilemma dave. As you said “YHWH=JESUS”, this is correct. But your doctrine ignorantly states that the Word is the Son…. which is Jesus. So reading John 1:1 you have Jesus with JESUS… But you can’t explain how Jesus is with himself. so you make up a title and call the title a person, that's your mistake.

that's why you cannot answer John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24, because as soon as you say, yes, it's the same person, then all you teaching will go down the drain.

as for John 1:2 again it says it's the same person in John 1:1 I guess you didn't read Post #1087.

now for the last time, "is the Person in John 1:3 a separate and distinct person from the Person in Isaiah 44:24". yes or No?

PICJAG.

 

[Dave L]

Here’s your dilemma dave. As you said “YHWH=JESUS”, this is correct. But your doctrine ignorantly states that the Word is the Son…. which is Jesus. So reading John 1:1 you have Jesus with JESUS… But you can’t explain how Jesus is with himself. so you make up a title and call the title a person, that's your mistake.

that's why you cannot answer John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24, because as soon as you say, yes, it's the same person, then all you teaching will go down the drain.

as for John 1:2 again it says it's the same person in John 1:1 I guess you didn't read Post #1087.

now for the last time, "is the Person in John 1:3 a separate and distinct person from the Person in Isaiah 44:24". yes or No?

PICJAG.

Jesus = YAHWEH. Jesus in the flesh = YAHWEH in the flesh. YAHWEH = the Father person, the Son person, and the Holy Spirit person. Jesus in the flesh = the the triune God with the eternal Son speaking as God at times and as man at times.

 

[101G]

Jesus = YAHWEH. Jesus in the flesh = YAHWEH in the flesh. YAHWEH = the Father person, the Son person, and the Holy Spirit person. Jesus in the flesh = the the triune God with the eternal Son speaking as God at times and as man at times.

"YAHWEH = the Father person, the Son person, and the Holy Spirit person".
ERROR, the Holy Spirit is the only person in the Godhead, Father and Son are only "TITLES" of the ONE TRUE God the Holy Spirit.
there is no such thing as "the Father person" ... lol, lol, lol,

since you're learning, Jesus is the "diversity" or rhe equal "SHARE" of himslef in flesh. so there is no "Son Person...lol, lol, lol. there is only one Person the "Spirit", the Holy Spirit who holds both "TITLES" Father and Son.

Oh how easy it is.

the person in Isaiah 44:24 is Jesus the LORD, all caps, without flesh and bones, Spirit, with the TITLE "Father". who is the same PERSON, in John 1:3 who is incarnate in Flesh and blood, with the title of "Son". Same Person only SHARED in flesh and bones... oh how easy it is to be truthful, AND ANSWER CORRECTLY. but men ... unlearned of God loves darkness more that the Light, for Light cast out Darkness.

and once again, here's the Light, .... God is a "Diversity" of himself in flesh. and the Greek word G243 allos bare this out. ....

"Diversity", it answers all the Godhead questions. so dave learn, since you dodn't know.


NOW THAT dave CANNOT ANSWER THE JOHN 1:3 AND ISAIAH 44:24 QUESTION FOR FEAR OF LOOSING HIS DOCTORAL BELIFS, IT IS OPEN TO ALL AND ANY WHO BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY THAT CAN ANSWER OR RECONCILE THE QUESTION.

but if you're like dave who fear in loosing your beliefs, it's best to leave the question alone and stay in darkness.

PICJAG.

 

[Dave L]

"YAHWEH = the Father person, the Son person, and the Holy Spirit person".
ERROR, the Holy Spirit is the only person in the Godhead, Father and Son are only "TITLES" of the ONE TRUE God the Holy Spirit.
there is no such thing as "the Father person" ... lol, lol, lol,

since you're learning, Jesus is the "diversity" or rhe equal "SHARE" of himslef in flesh. so there is no "Son Person...lol, lol, lol. there is only one Person the "Spirit", the Holy Spirit who holds both "TITLES" Father and Son.

Oh how easy it is.

the person in Isaiah 44:24 is Jesus the LORD, all caps, without flesh and bones, Spirit, with the TITLE "Father". who is the same PERSON, in John 1:3 who is incarnate in Flesh and blood, with the title of "Son". Same Person only SHARED in flesh and bones... oh how easy it is to be truthful, AND ANSWER CORRECTLY. but men ... unlearned of God loves darkness more that the Light, for Light cast out Darkness.

and once again, here's the Light, .... God is a "Diversity" of himself in flesh. and the Greek word G243 allos bare this out. ....

"Diversity", it answers all the Godhead questions. so dave learn, since you dodn't know.


NOW THAT dave CANNOT ANSWER THE JOHN 1:3 AND ISAIAH 44:24 QUESTION FOR FEAR OF LOOSING HIS DOCTORAL BELIFS, IT IS OPEN TO ALL AND ANY WHO BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY THAT CAN ANSWER OR RECONCILE THE QUESTION.

but if you're like dave who fear in loosing your beliefs, it's best to leave the question alone and stay in darkness.

PICJAG.

God is revealed as three persons during Jesus' baptism. Two of his persons are present at the mount of transfiguration. And two persons are revealed in John 1:2-3 which you seem to ignore.

 

[Dave L]

Here’s your dilemma dave. As you said “YHWH=JESUS”, this is correct. But your doctrine ignorantly states that the Word is the Son…. which is Jesus. So reading John 1:1 you have Jesus with JESUS… But you can’t explain how Jesus is with himself. so you make up a title and call the title a person, that's your mistake.

that's why you cannot answer John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24, because as soon as you say, yes, it's the same person, then all you teaching will go down the drain.

as for John 1:2 again it says it's the same person in John 1:1 I guess you didn't read Post #1087.

now for the last time, "is the Person in John 1:3 a separate and distinct person from the Person in Isaiah 44:24". yes or No?

PICJAG.

But how can God be with God and not be two distinct persons?

 

[justbyfaith]

In Luke 23:46, Jesus committed His Spirit into the hands of the Father, He gave up the Ghost.

This Spirit is the Father, if you will see it with me in John 4:23-24 and John 14:7-11.

So Jesus released the Father back into the presence of the Father, who inhabiteth eternity, in Luke 23:46.

But this Person whom Jesus released back to the Father, while He is the Father (but having the title Holy Ghost), He also has the experience behind Him of having been a human being walking the face of the earth. Therefore He may have a slightly different perspective than the 1st Person of the Trinity.

He is also the Person who comes to dwell within us as believers; while He who inhabiteth eternity, while He inhabits eternity, does not do that.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

In Luke 23:46, Jesus committed His Spirit into the hands of the Father, He gave up the Ghost.

This Spirit is the Father, if you will see it with me in John 4:23-24 and John 14:7-11.

So Jesus released the Father back into the presence of the Father, who inhabiteth eternity, in Luke 23:46.

But this Person whom Jesus released back to the Father, while He is the Father (but having the title Holy Ghost), He also has the experience behind Him of having been a human being walking the face of the earth. Therefore He may have a slightly different perspective than the 1st Person of the Trinity.

He is also the Person who comes to dwell within us as believers; while He who inhabiteth eternity, while He inhabits eternity, does not do that.

How is it that everything you teach is heretical???

 

[CoreIssue]

The blind lecturing the guy who can't see.

 

[101G]

God is revealed as three persons during Jesus' baptism. Two of his persons are present at the mount of transfiguration. And two persons are revealed in John 1:2-3 which you seem to ignore.

that's been debunked. as they say that's an old mule that you has beaten into the ground and cannot ride anymore...

now you said this,

Jesus = YAHWEH. Jesus in the flesh = YAHWEH in the flesh. YAHWEH = the Father person, the Son person, and the Holy Spirit person. Jesus in the flesh = the the triune God with the eternal Son speaking as God at times and as man at times.

ok, dave who is the creator here JESUS/YHWH, or JESUS/YHWH in the Spirit?, Jeremiah 32:17 "Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee"

PICJAG

 

[justbyfaith]

How is it that everything you teach is heretical???

Did you even look up the verses? If you did, you would see that my statements have a strong biblical basis.

 

[CoreIssue]

Orthodox Trinitarianism rejects Arianism which denies the full deity of Christ.”

Your problem is you claim the flesh of Christ is as much God as his spirit.

Whereas Orthodox recognizes his flesh has a human nature and his spirit a divine nature. Dual natures.

 

[justbyfaith]

But I guess that is the treatment that I am to receive for that God has given me a revelation that is not accepted yet by the visible church. For I am called to cast my pearls before the proverbial swine; in the hopes that someone will find those pearls in the mud (after they have been trampled upon) and see the value that is inherent in them.

cont'd from #1098.