Trinity vs. Tritheism: Understanding the Trinity.

[101G]

The same way the son of God Adam had human flesh. God created it. The first person of the Trinity in the Old Testament and Father in the new.

ok when God made that body in Mary was it HUMAN, or was it in "LIKENESS" of the Flesh that Adam had yes or no?

PICJAG.

 

[CoreIssue]

well let's see if that is true or not. as said to put this matter to bed is this. we say the God here in John 1:1 is Jesus, if not reconcile John 1:1 with Isaiah 44:24. we say it's the SAME Person. do you agree, yes or No?.

PICJAG.

24 “This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,

The Redeemer of Israel talkING to Israel. Read the chapter.

 

[CoreIssue]

ok when God made that body in Mary was it HUMAN, or was it in "LIKENESS" of the Flesh that Adam had yes or no?

PICJAG.

Was Adam Newman when God created him from Dirt.

Oh yeah. Adam means human.

 

[CoreIssue]

Was Adam Newman when God created him from Dirt.

Oh yeah. Adam means human.

And if Jesus had a Human father and mother Mary would not have been a virgin.

 

[101G]

24 “This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,

The Redeemer of Israel talkING to Israel. Read the chapter.

first ERROR, he was speaking to Jacob as his redeemer, but did not the LORD. all caps "MADE all things? YES,

now the WORD the logos did he not "MAKE" all things? yes, so who is the CREATOR WHO MADE all things?

we say that this is the SAME PERSON, your answer please.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

Was Adam Newman when God created him from Dirt.

Oh yeah. Adam means human.

ERROR, Adam means MAN, or MANKIND. which is a species, which God is NOT
Adam H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]

PICJAG

 

[101G]

And if Jesus had a Human father and mother Mary would not have been a virgin.

Mary was a virgin before and after the body of Jesus. for she knew no man.

and two our Lord was not made from dirt...

PICJAG

 

[101G]

well CoreIssue, are you going to address post #1125?

PICJAG.

 

[CoreIssue]

first ERROR, he was speaking to Jacob as his redeemer, but did not the LORD. all caps "MADE all things? YES,

now the WORD the logos did he not "MAKE" all things? yes, so who is the CREATOR WHO MADE all things?

we say that this is the SAME PERSON, your answer please.

PICJAG.

You're talking about first one.

Verse 24 on is to the nation of Israel.

Talks about the Temple in Jerusalem Andrews which did not exist when it was just Jacob/Israel.

So no error by me.

Fact remains the Logos, second person of the Trinity, entered the flesh of Jesus Christ and became Jesus, became human. At the incarnation, not a second before.

 

[CoreIssue]

ERROR, Adam means MAN, or MANKIND. which is a species, which God is NOT
Adam H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]

PICJAG

But Adam was. Yet he was still son of God.

Same with Jesus Christ.

 

[CoreIssue]

well CoreIssue, are you going to address post #1125?

PICJAG.

Already did.

 

[CoreIssue]

Mary was a virgin before and after the body of Jesus. for she knew no man.

and two our Lord was not made from dirt...

PICJAG

But you asked who the human father and mother of Jesus were. If a human father and she was not a virgin. But she was so God the father via the Holy Spirit was.

Which defeats your anti-Trinity view.

 

[CoreIssue]

Mary was a virgin before and after the body of Jesus. for she knew no man.

and two our Lord was not made from dirt...

PICJAG

All human bodies are made from Dirt. At least until the glorified.

 

[Nancy]

that's right so where do you get this Jesus has HUMAN flesh at then?

PICJAG.

Who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of humanity (Philippians 2:6,7).

It's called the incarnation. In order for Him to understand our trials and temptations, how else could He have done it?? How else could he have suffered BUT become as one of us WITHOUT loosing His divinity.

 

[Nancy]

Who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of humanity (Philippians 2:6,7).

It's called the incarnation. In order for Him to understand our trials and temptations, how else could He have done it?? How else could he have suffered BUT become as one of us WITHOUT loosing His divinity.

And the word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth (John 1:14).

 

[CoreIssue]

What's troubling is that many think word and Word means the same thing.

But they will try to argue Jesus Christ took part in the creation of the universe.

Don't mention Adam being son of God.

 

[justbyfaith]

And you wonder why you are getting push back.

I believe Jehovah's Witnesses are the ones inclined to give "pushback" concerning the concept that God died. I don't see it happening with Christians who understand sound doctrine.

Fact remains the Logos, second person of the Trinity, entered the flesh of Jesus Christ and became Jesus, became human.

You are assuming that a 2nd God, or else 1/3 of God, became flesh and dwelt among us. That is not the case. It was God Himself who became flesh. See 1Co 8:6, Jas 3:9, Rom 15:6, and Eph 4:6 for a biblical definition of God.

But they will try to argue Jesus Christ took part in the creation of the universe.

Jhn 1:3, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:16, For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they bethrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17, And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Eph 3:9, And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

See what these verses say in their original context.

 

[Dave L]

Your problem is you claim the flesh of Christ is as much God as his spirit.

Whereas Orthodox recognizes his flesh has a human nature and his spirit a divine nature. Dual natures.

Christ is inseparably God/Man in a resurrected and glorified human body. But since the incarnation, he always has two distinct natures. One human, the other divine.

 

[Dave L]

that's been debunked. as they say that's an old mule that you has beaten into the ground and cannot ride anymore...

now you said this,

ok, dave who is the creator here JESUS/YHWH, or JESUS/YHWH in the Spirit?, Jeremiah 32:17 "Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee"

PICJAG

You are in over your head on this. Why not learn from the Church instead of attacking her? God is far different from what you suppose.

 

[Dave L]

In Luke 23:46, Jesus committed His Spirit into the hands of the Father, He gave up the Ghost.

This Spirit is the Father, if you will see it with me in John 4:23-24 and John 14:7-11.

So Jesus released the Father back into the presence of the Father, who inhabiteth eternity, in Luke 23:46.

But this Person whom Jesus released back to the Father, while He is the Father (but having the title Holy Ghost), He also has the experience behind Him of having been a human being walking the face of the earth. Therefore He may have a slightly different perspective than the 1st Person of the Trinity.

He is also the Person who comes to dwell within us as believers; while He who inhabiteth eternity, while He inhabits eternity, does not do that.

Here's what happened. Jesus the man did not have a human spirit as we do. His Spirit is the trinity consisting of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each a distinct person, each eternally coexistent, each of the same single Spiritual essence. Although the fullness of the Godhead dwells in him, the Man (Jesus Christ, the Son of Man) speaks in the second person of the trinity as the eternal Son of God. When he yielded up his Spirit, his body and soul/mind died but his Spirit always filled eternity and that did not change.

That is, if you point in any direction, time space and matter comes to an end, but Jesus Christ keeps going on forever and has no beginning or end.