Hello! Welcome to this religious site! After reading your post above, what distinguishes your beliefs from the Arian error of the JW's? The Watchtower Society, a pseudo-Christian group also denies Christ as YHWH proving it has a false Christ while also proclaiming a false Gospel. The latter is in the same place.
I am not Jehovah witness nor any labelled doctrinal belief because the truth has no label.
- Truth is just Truth
- Truth is Integrity
- God’s word is Truth
The Holy Spirit is ‘the Spirit of Truth’ - which is why it must not be grieved!! If the truth is stressed and frustrated in an attempt to destroyed it then there is no reality! All would be confusion... And:
- ‘God is not a God of confusion’
Arians... another label... I’m not ‘Arian’ either! But you asked about JW’s. JW’s believe that Jesus was an Angel before coming as man... that’s tosh!!! JW’s also believe some other weird unscriptural things such as their elders being the prophesied 144,000 to rule with Christ... despite there being way more than 144,000 proclaimed such elders (fight - fight!!!)
JW’s do believe that Jesus was a Man, and not God... Yes, that part is the same for me... if that’s what you try to label me with as ‘Arian’, forget it - You are just attempting to box me and label me... no fear, sir!
My expression of truth is of the scriptures. The purpose of the creation of God is to mirror the
unlimited Spirit Heaven to a
limited physical World (‘earth’... not just planet ‘Earth’, as many misbelieve) Such a physical world is to be governed by a mirror of the Heavenly order, which is:
- A king
- Administrators
- Messengers
- Workers
God, the Father (not ‘God the Father’), is King over Heaven and subsequently over earth (creation) also.
His administrators are the most holy angels, wise, intelligent, powerful in force and energy. They only do the Fathers Will, not in slavery, but joyfully in reverence (They ’SEE the face of God’). These govern over aspects of the created world: Principalities, Policies, ...lesser government orders. The Angel that came to be known as ‘Satan’ was ‘Head Governor’, and keeper (‘Steward’) over creation, awaiting the HUMAN KING to be seated, which is why he could offer Jesus the principalities of the world, saying:
- ‘All this I will give to you if you now down and worship me.... it is MINE TO GIVE to whom I will’
Jesus COULD have been tempted to take it from the STEWARD who knew, as an Angel, he would have to hand it over to its rightful king at some point in time. That’s what a STEWARD does: he is a PLACEHOLDER awaiting the true recipient. Indeed, the scriptures says that the world to come will NOT BE GOVERNED BY ANGELS... why? Because it will be governed by HUMANS, glorified humans as Jesus was glorified with immortality.
See, the angelic order is to be replaced by a human order. Spirit Sons of God replaces by a Human Sons of God.
(The Angelic order: Some angels ‘Left their Stations’ and rebelled with ‘Satan’... They made BODIES for themselves and put their own spirit into it and took of human females all they desired and bred Nephilims... mutant humans!!
Now you read that the Angels ‘made bodies’ for themselves. What then when God said, ‘Let us make man in our image’... trinity says he was ‘talking to himself...’ (laugh!!!). No, remember that the angels are wise, intelligent, creative, can build as well as destroy, can consider, have high level thinking abilities... they are not mindless Spirits. So, God spoke to them in counsel for a creature who would be LIKE THEM... able to govern, command, oversee, think, create, design,... BUT more than the level of an Angel - the very IMAGE of Almighty God, the Father... that is in addition: to LOVE, To Master, To RULE. So this was agreed and God gave the order to create a human Being... ONLY THE BODY... proper functioning BODY... there was NO SPIRIT in the body to enliven it (remember that the Demon angels had to put THEIR OWN SPIRIT into the bodies they created!!) Then Almighty God ENLIVENED the BODY of the Man with HIS Holy Spirit (The Breath of life)
- ‘And the Man BECAME A LIVING SOUL’
Before the Spirit was in him, Adam (‘Man’) was not a LIVING SOUL!!!
Where is trinity in the Torah? We see:
- God
- The Holy Spirit OF GOD
- This not three persons...
- This is not even two persons (Spirit OF God)
- This is ONE person (The Father)
What do you think:
- ‘Father’ means:
- ‘Creator’
- ‘He who brings into being’
- ‘He that gives life’
- ‘He that is the Head’
- ‘The law maker’
So how do you say that ‘God is three’ when it is patently clear that the Father is:
- The Creator, even by your own belief
- The giver of the Ten Commandment Laws to Moses
- The Judge (Ultimate...!)
- The Head, the ‘God above all whom are called ‘Gods’’ (I do not deny that OTHERS are CALLED ‘Gods’ because they RULE over CONTEXT of things:
- A judge is GOD OF HIS COURTROOM.. for instance!
- A Father is God in his household
- Etc.
I can go in but I have things to do..
Will deal with some of your religious beliefs when there is time. It appears up to this point of your tenure on this site of religions you are here mainly to deny Christ as YHWH. Does this accurately describe your purpose here so far?
I am not ‘denying Christ’ but yes, ‘denying Christ as YHWH’. There is no such thing in any verse of the scriptures: Old Testament or new.
However, in case you set a trap:
- God, the Father, WILL GIVE JESUS CHRIST the name that is ABOVE ALL NAMES... yes, ‘YHWH’ is that name
But that is a Prophesy to come after Jesus achieves all that The Father requires of him. Yes, ‘YHWH’, as a TITLE, renders the owner as EVERLASTING KING, an ‘I Am’ which is to say, ‘Never changing’, ‘always WILL BE’...henceforth, in Jesus’ case.
Note Revelations defines Almighty God as:
- ‘Is, Was, and always will be’
But defines Jesus Christ as:
- ‘I am he who was DEAD but now AM ALIVE for evermore’
And you know that God cannot die.
Also, God, the Father is seated permanently on his throne in impenetrable light (absolute power, authority, and sinlessness).
But Jesus STANDS in front of the throne... There is no place for a GOD who sits in all power and authority - and is ALSO standing subservient to himself in front of that power and authority (in front of himself?) as a Meek and mutilated Lamb.
Both Jesus and The Father receive Glory, Honor, and Praise... BUT ONLY The Father receives WORSHIP!!!