No. That is not true. God can, and does, forgive anyone anytime he wants.
Unlike the OT sacrifices for sins, Lord Jesus' sacrifice of himself does not have to be repeated.
Hebrews 7:26-27 (WEB) 26 For such a high priest was fitting for us: holy, guiltless, undefiled, separated from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 who doesn’t need, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices daily, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people.
For he did this once for all, when he offered up himself.
God can now completely forgive and cleanse all those who come near to him through Christ Jesus because Lord Jesus bore all our sins for us on the cross, shedding his own blood for our sins.
1 Peter 2:24 (KJV) 24 Who his
own self bore our sins in his
own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Hebrews 9:22 (WEB) In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and
without the shedding of blood there is
no forgiveness.
Ephesians 1:17 (WEB) in whom we have our
redemption through his blood, the
forgiveness of
our trespasses, according to the riches of
his grace
1 John 1:7 (WEB) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ, his Son,
cleanses us from
all sin.
Hebrews 9:24-29 (WEB) 24 For Christ hasn’t entered into holy places made with hands, which are representations of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25
nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest enters into the holy place year by year with blood not his own, 26 or else he must have suffered often since the foundation of the world. But
now once at the end of the ages, he has been revealed to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 Inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this, judgment, 28 so
Christ also, having been
offered once to
bear the
sins of many, will appear a second time, without sin, to those who are eagerly waiting for him for salvation.
I am not rejecting the Scriptures. I am rejecting your interpretation of them.
Your answer is puzzling, because, as anyone reading these messages can see for themselves, I am only introducing the Scriptures and letting the Scriptures do the talking, only interjecting on rare occasion to make the grammar understood, or to answer your objection.
You can object all you want, but you have
not shown that I interpreted, or interpreted in error, any of the verses. All you can say is that you object.
Noted, but it makes no difference to the facts presented because you did not show any errors.
setst777 said:
Oh, so now you finally agree (although not admitting it because of pride) after repeatedly denying it, that "redeem" means "purchase."
"If you think that's what I said, then I misspoke.
CadyandZoe said: Jesus paid for our redemption with his life, but his death wasn't the payment of a moral obligation. His death on the cross is the propitiation of our sins, not the payment of our sins.
In what way did Lord Jesus
pay for redemption if not from sin to bring believers to God (
and use Scripture that refers to the redemption)?
Question: What did Jesus' payment purchase?
No one would disagree that Christ's sacrifice was a propitiation, since he was made substitute (
substitute Lamb) for sinners to take away the sins of everyone who repents and believes in Lord Jesus.
1 Peter 2:24 (KJV) 24 Who his
own self bore our sins in his
own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Titus 2:14 (WEB) who
gave himself for us, that he might
redeem us (believers) from
all iniquity
Christ death redeemed
believers from sin;
and so, he
purchased us for God
from sin.
Revelation 5:9 They sang a new song, saying, “You are worthy to take the book and to open its seals: for you were killed, and
purchased us [
believers] for God
with your blood out of every tribe, language, people, and nation, 10 and made us kings and priests to our God, and we will reign on the earth.”
Acts 20:28 (WEB) the assembly [believers] of the Lord and God which he
purchased with
his own blood.
Christ's sacrifice of himself, the
shedding of His blood, therefore,
satisfied God's justice and so, appeasing
God's wrath against sinners who repent.
Romans 5:9 (WEB) 9 Much more then, being now
justified by his blood, we will be
saved from God’s wrath through him.
Romans 3:23-24 (WEB)
23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;
24 being
justified freely by [Greek: #3588 tē] his grace
through [Greek: dia] the [Greek: #3588 tēs] redemption that is
in Christ Jesus
Strong's Concordance #3588
tē, tēs: definite article
Usage: the, the definite article.
Strong's Concordance #1223
dia: through, on account of, because of
According to "
Romans 3:23-24," we are
justified by God's grace
because of, or
on account of, the
redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
The word "
by" in "
by his grace" is a definite article,
not a preposition or junction.
Therefore "
by" is
not in the actual Greek; rather, the word "by" is used to make the sentence readable. There is no word "
by" in the actual Greek in that verse.
And so, we are definitely
justified {{{
through}}} the
redemption in Christ Jesus, and this is made possible because God is gracious.
God can now justly display mercy, grace and forgive sins
because God's justice was provided for
by the redemption - the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world (
John 1:29).
Hebrews 9:22 (WEB) In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and
without the shedding of blood there is
no forgiveness.
Romans 5:9 (WEB) 9 Much more then, being now
justified by his blood, we will be saved
from God’s wrath through him.
Christ, as the sacrifice, is what
redeemed us from our sins.
As you say, Jesus
paid for our redemption.
CadyandZoe said: Jesus paid for our redemption with his life
That redemption was
payment for
our sins to be God's possession for everyone who believes.
Redemption means "payment to release" or "ransom."
Titus 2:14 (WEB) who gave himself for us, that he might
redeem [
Gk: lutroó] us from
all iniquity, and purify for himself a people for his own possession, zealous for good works.
Strong's Concordance #3084 lutroó
lutroó: to release by paying a ransom, to redeem
Original Word: λυτρόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: lutroó
Phonetic Spelling: (loo-tro'-o)
Definition: to release by paying a ransom, to redeem
Usage: I release on receipt of ransom; mid: I redeem, release by paying ransom, liberate.
Without Christ's redeeming work on the cross, there is no forgiveness of sins.
Ephesians 1:17 (WEB) in whom we have our
redemption through his blood, the
forgiveness of
our trespasses, according to the riches of
his grace
Hebrews 9:22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and
without the shedding of blood there is
no forgiveness.
1 John 1:7 (WEB) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the
blood of Jesus Christ, his Son,
cleanses us from
all sin.