Two 1260 day periods ?

[Timtofly]

Doubt it. The witnesses preach to non-believing Jews and Gentiles about Christ.
We are already on board and would be in total agreement.

The witnesses preach to the people left after the final harvest. Those with the mark, and those who need to have their head chopped off, to avoid the mark. You agree that all humans should have their head chopped off?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The witnesses preach to the people left after the final harvest. Those with the mark, and those who need to have their head chopped off, to avoid the mark. You agree that all humans should have their head chopped off?

Chop chop ... it's quick and painless! I would ask if I could sharpen the blade!

No, seriously, I am not sure about Rev. 20:4. I have discerned that act as being something of the signature of the Antichrist, one whom prior to Covid-19, I suspected to be a Muslim. Islamic terrorists already have that as their signature - convert or get your head chopped off. Recently I have been led to believe otherwise, that the Antichrist is one of the Rothschilds or even Gates. Whoever he is, he may manipulate the Muslims to carry out part of his plan to exterminate Jews and Christians? Depopulation is on their agenda.
Years ago, during one of those Bilderberg meetings, they might have even invited and commissioned John Lennon to write a sing about this NWO. The Beatles were so influencial, why not get him on board with our plan so the youth would accept it after singing it and hearing it a hundred times:
IMAGINE
"Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people
Livin' for today
Ah
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world.
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one"

I swear, this is a description of the One World Government made palatable for the masses, yet leaving the totalitarian/ Marxist evil stuff out of it. John Lennon's
view may have been a peaceful one, no doubt, but he was deceived to think that the world could correct itself with sin in it. "Well intentioned monsters" all.

 

[PinSeeker]

Is the 1260 day period mentioned in Revelation 11 the same as the 1260 day period mentioned in Revelation 12?

Yes. Let me elaborate.

In Revelation 12:1-6, a woman appears arrayed in cosmic light. The imagery calls to mind Joseph’s dream (Gen. 37:9-10) and the picture of Jerusalem bringing forth the Messiah and His remnant (Mic. 5:3; Isa. 54:1-4; 66:7-13). The Old Testament saints collectively are in view. Mary the mother of Jesus is included in this group, but only as an outstanding member of the whole. The later history shows that the New Testament saints also are included (12:13-17). The light-bearing character of the woman foreshadows the glory of the new Jerusalem (21:11, 22-27). She has her citizenship in heaven (Phil. 3:20), and receives the splendor and importance of heaven. In her privileges the church now already partakes in the blessings of what is to come. But she is still buffeted by Satan.

Opposing the woman is an enormous red dragon. Our chief opponent is not any earthly power. We struggle “against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms” (Eph. 6:12), at the head of which is Satan (Eph. 2:2; 2 Cor. 4:4). The Dragon is identified as Satan, the Devil, in 12:9. The image of a dragon shows that Satan has enormous power and hideous enmity to God. Satan has constantly opposed the plans of God, and has been repeatedly defeated in the great acts of God’s saving power (Gen. 3:1, 15; Ps. 74:13-14; Isa. 27:1; 51:9-10; Ezek. 29:3; Luke 10:18; 11:14-23; John 12:31; Col. 2:15). Now he rises against the Messiah (12:4-5) and his servants (12:17), but will suffer final destruction (20:10). The Ancient Near East has certain myths about a sea monster or water god producing chaos. Polytheistic myths dimly sensed the threat of Satanic chaos, but in their confused groping they never penetrated to the reality.

The Dragon has seven heads, increasing his hideousness. In the symbolism of Daniel and Revelation, multiple heads often symbolize multiple manifestations of a single kingdom. In the same way, Satan manifests his power through multiple channels and in multiple institutions and events. Seven, the number of completeness, suggests that the Dragon has extensive power and many manifestations. He aspires blasphemously to imitate the completeness of God.

The Dragon’s tail (sweeps) a third of the stars out of the sky. The Dragon attacks God’s order and rule, symbolized by the order of the stars. He assaults heaven itself, symbolized by the effect on heavenly bodies. This verse has given rise to speculation that a third of the angels fell and became demons at the time that Satan rebelled against God. But the Bible gives few details about the fall of Satan and his angels. The immediate focus of verse 4 is not on Satan’s original act of rebellion but on his attack on the male child. In the background lies Daniel 8:10, which predicts the attack of Antiochus Epiphanes on the Jewish people and their temple. Against this background, the stars may symbolize the angelic representatives of the church in its heavenly character (note the stars in Rev. 12:1; Michael and his angels in 12:7).

The woman (gives) birth to a son, in fulfillment of Micah 5:3. Christ is born, and His triumphant rule over the nations is certain to be established.

Satan attempts to destroy the child as soon as it is born, as Herod did in Matthew 2:1-18. Herod’s action is the beginning of a series of satanically engineered attempts to deflect the accomplishment of God’s salvation. Satan tempts Christ in the wilderness (Matt. 4:1-11; Luke 4:1-13) and is active in the background when Christ casts out demons and when He confronts opposition from Jewish leaders. Revelation encapsulates all this opposition in the single picture of Satan seeking to devour the child. Passing over Jesus’ earthly life, it arrives immediately at the ascension and enthronement of the Messiah: her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The Messiah himself is beyond the reach of Satanic attack. So, subsequent to the ascension, Satan turns his attention to the woman, the followers of the Messiah.

God looks after the woman (again, the followers of the Messiah) for 1260 days, the same period of 42 months or three and a half years mentioned in 11:2-3; 12:14; 13:5.

To be continued...

 

[PinSeeker]

Regarding Revelation 11:2-3, The 42 month timeframe is a limited time of distress and intense conflict between God’s people and their opponents (13:5). It is also described as 1260 days (11:3; 12:6) or a time, times, and half a time (three and a half years; 12:14). (In a symbolic context like this one, months are reckoned as consisting of 30 days each.) It is half of seven years, which from a symbolic point of view suggests a complete period of suffering, cut short by half. The main background is found in Daniel 7:25, which in turn is related to other passages in Daniel (9:27; 12:7, 11-12). Some futurist interpreters look for a period of time of this length shortly before the Second Coming. But like other numbers in Revelation, this one is symbolic in character, and related to the three and a half days in 11:9, 11. It then designates a period of persecution of limited length.

The most significant clue comes from Daniel 9:27. In Daniel 9 God sets out a period of 70 weeks or 490 years or 10 jubilee cycles during which he will accomplish his purposes for worldwide redemption (Dan. 9:24). This period of 70 weeks builds on the earlier period of 70 years of exile prophesied by Jeremiah (Dan. 9:2; Jer. 25:12; 29:10). Each of Jeremiah’s 70 years is a sabbatical year in which the land rests (2 Chron. 36:21; Lev. 26:43; 25:1-7). Hence, symbolically speaking, it represents a total of 490 years. At the end of this period God favors Israel again and restores them to the land and to Jerusalem (Ezra 1:1-4; 2 Chron. 36:22-23). But this restoration is only preliminary. The final restoration takes place at the conclusion of a second cycle of 490 years. And since the whole sabbath pattern symbolizes final rest, it is fitting that this second cycle consists of symbolical years, symbolizing the way to the consummation. The consummation occurs at the end of 490 symbolical years. The last week of years, 7 symbolical years, stands for the time of inaugurated eschatology, after the Messiah has come and accomplished redemption (Dan. 9:26a). In the middle of the last week the sanctuary is destroyed (Dan. 9:27), which took place in 70 A.D. The period from 70 A.D. to the Second Coming is the last half week of Daniel’s prophecy, a period of trouble and persecution as in Daniel 7:25. The 1260 days is thus the entire inter-advent period, viewed as a time of persecution and distress (cf. 2 Tim. 3:1-13; 2 Thess. 1:4-8).

Like other visions, this vision has multiple applications throughout the church age. For the seven churches in their first century context it indicates that persecution will come, but it will be limited in length and end in vindication (vv. 11-12). It likewise holds out the same promise for Christians throughout the ages. Just before the Second Coming we are to expect a violent crisis that will bring intense conflict and persecution (2 Thess. 2:1-12).

The witnesses work miraculous signs of judgment, in a manner reminiscent of Moses and Elijah, two great miracle-working prophets from the Old Testament (vv. 5-6). Like Moses and Elijah, the church bears prophetic witness. We call people to repentance and warn of coming judgment. Our total message includes not only good news concerning salvation in Christ, but also the revelation of God’s character, which implies that judgment against evil doers is inevitable. Our message is one of power—power to save, or power to punish as well (2 Cor. 2:15-17; Rom. 1:16). It is not an arbitrary power, to do with as we see fit, but a power that comes from God and that we exercise only as servants who ourselves proclaim a message that we cannot alter (Eph. 2:6; 2 Cor. 3:5-6; 6:6-7; 10:4-6).

To be continued...

 

[PinSeeker]

So, back to Revelation 12, again... IN CONCLUSION ... yes: the 1260 days is the entire inter-advent period. It begins immediately after Christ’s ascension. It continues throughout the period of Satanic assaults on the church, that is, the whole period until the Second Coming. During the entire period, God protects the church from satanic attacks. But the vision also applies with particular force to times of intense distress that may come when the church suffers violent attack. The protection comes in the desert. Israel after the exodus from Egypt wandered in the desert. This desert gave them relief from the idolatry and oppression of Egypt. But it was also a time of testing, a time tempting them to lose faith and rebel. They were to look forward to rest and satisfaction in the promised land. Similarly, the church today looks forward to final rest in the new heavens and the new earth. But for now she is subject to testing on earth.

Grace and peace to all!

 

[Keraz]

IN CONCLUSION ... yes: the 1260 days is the entire inter-advent period.

I disagree.
The 1260 days is confirmed as actual days by the other references to that time as; 42 months and 3 1/2 years.

It will be the second half of the 7 years prophesied in Daniel 9:27.
Those 1260 days will end on the Day Jesus Returns.

The intra-Advent period will be exactly 2000 years, as the time between Abraham and Jesus was, as the time between Abraham and Adam was. We are now very close to 6000 years since Adam. The final 1000 years of God's decreed 7000 years for mankind, will be the Sabbath rest of King Jesus reigning the world in peace and prosperity.

 

[Davy]

So, back to Revelation 12, again... IN CONCLUSION ... yes: the 1260 days is the entire inter-advent period. It begins immediately after Christ’s ascension....

Nah..., the final 7 year period of Daniel 9:27 did NOT happen in Christ's day at His 1st coming. Jesus was crucified to END the 69th symbolic week of Daniel 9. The final "one week" (7 years) is still pending today.

Will you then try to play the 'no gaps' game? Yes, there are known time gaps in Bible prophecy. Anyone not recognizing that is totally ignorant, because Christ's 1st coming was almost 2,000 years ago, and He still... has not returned yet today!