Two Types Of Repenters That Find Damnation
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Well, nows your chance to PROVE it! Your opinion means Nothing inherent.....show us some Chapter and verse to “ prove” you point, and then I will try to Untwist it for the sake of Newbies....
It all depends on whether or not he Passed Paul’s Test......Pro or Con about Abortions is not on the Test...
Of course Jesus did not die so that men could continue in Sin....nobody “wants” sin to continue , but like it or not, Sin is “ going” to continue ....as long as we walk around in these weak bodies of flesh,,where we “ Stumble” , fall victim to “ the Sin That so easily besets us” and can find ourselves “ caught up” in Sin—- even the most mature Believers....
Christ shed His Blood so that the GRACE of God Could be extended to Mankind....All Of those of mankind that “ cashed in” to what Jesus had already accomplished at the Cross with their Faith now stood “ Righteous” Before God....
Understanding that it is Grace and not more Law that makes a man not WANT to “continue in Sin” is the means to conquer sin in this lifetime to to extant that it “ can” be conquered ....
Knowing that The Grace Of God covers ALL of your sins and getting that “ monkey” Of Performance off your back Spurs a Love for God which , in turn , Spurs an Obedience to God that comes Natural.....you are free to continue in Sin if you are foolish enough to go that route....Dont think for a SECOND that you are “ going to get away with it” though....The Christian who understands Grace can Continue in Sin if he WANTS to.....the Secret Of True Christianity ( as opposed to Religionism) is that the Christian does not WANT to !
Ya gotta Live it to understand it....start “ Resting in the Gospel Of Grace”...... That is the only way you will get there ....
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You might want to change your wording LOL... TYPO.... the Christian does ( not dies )... made me smirk.
ByGraceThroughFaith
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you need to first "unwist" your falsehood for yourself, before you can for others! Read what I responded to and you will see why I did
Blood Bought presents the Gospel of GRACE in a very 3D sort of way... Those who are into WORKS repel from it much like what those bugs do when you lift the stone and shine the light.
ByGraceThroughFaith
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some are so hung up on this term "works", that they suppose a sinner who follows God's Command to "repent" of their sins, is doing a "work"! such is the foolishness of their theology.
No one is arguing against repentance... they are stating it is not a condition of salvation. Salvation is a ONE TIME EVENT.
Grailhunter
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Great point! Murder is not on the test.....right. That is fantastic! There are few people I would like to do a retro-abortion on!
ByGraceThroughFaith
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I don't think that you really understand the Bible teaching of how a sinner is saved. Without getting this right, you will never grasp certain Truths
I will leave you with that IMPRESSION of me... I am good with that.
ByGraceThroughFaith
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Grailhunter
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Theology is full of terms...that can hinge on some small focal points.
You are right that when a person is saved, it is a one time event....but it is not an event if there is no repentance.
The arguments between those that say you can lose your salvation and those that believe Once Saved Always Saved is typical of a lot of arguments. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Which means to some degree both sides are wrong.
Here it is a matter of terminology. Saved is an instant in time, on the other hand salvation is your walk with Christ...your Christian life...The Way. The finer points...as Paul said, we are saved by faith. That faith saves you from hell....your are not saved from heaven...and that instant in time is not a guaranteed ticket to heaven...if it were there would be no need for Judgment day. And as Paul said, you are going to workout your salvation with fear and trembling.
People argue that you do not have to be baptized or participate in communion to be saved...and they right. Everyone knows Act 2:38 where we are told to... "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Saved from hell by faith...cool beans. Then what happens if you do not repent...well then the baptism is a bath. Baptism for the remission or forgiveness of past sins....does not work if you do not repent. Can you go to heaven full of sins...nothing forgiven? The process is there, you just did not participate. Maybe you called it "work" If you do not participate in communion, Christ said in the Gospels that you have no life in you, and you do not abide in Him, nor He in you....and He says He will raise those up on the last day that have participated in communion.
Of course you do not have to do most of that. But there is no telling what it will be like for you in the afterlife. What will it be like to not have your sins forgiven? What will it be like to not have any life in you? What will it be like to not abide in Him or Him in you? What will it be like if He does not raise you on the last day? As He said, “Now why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
Baptism forgives your past...your whole past...all sins...like it never happened...."FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES, AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE." Now that does not mean we will not sin as we go through life. And that does not mean we lose our salvation because we sin....we do not have to go get baptized again...LOL...If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
No matter how moral Christians try to be, we are going to stumble every once in a while, and Christ will be there to pick us up and brush off the dust...but if you spend your life crawling on your belly, repentance is impossible. I am talking about sinful lifestyles. At that point confessing your sins is useless....that is were the "Name it and claim it" crowd comes in.
But then again, we cannot officially judge sinful lifestyles....not the people anyway ....condemn the sin, not the sinner thing. You can be initially saved from hell, but fail Judgment Day. The day that you are saved...is not Judgment Day....Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Salvation is not about being perfect, and Mercy and Grace is not about living a sinful lifestyle. The truth is in the middle.
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@Grailhunter Wow... you must miss me... LOL
The problem with theology and the teaching of doctrines is that they STICK with people... and form beliefs... some of those teachings and beliefs are ok... and others are plain wrong and dangerous... causing much confusion... strife and wrong way of believing.
For a baby Christian to receive wrong teaching on certain things... can impact the rest of their lives. Salvation is one of those issues... Either it's a gift or it isn't... either you can lose it or you can't... the difference is between life and death. Teaching the wrong "doctrine" with regards to Salvation sets the stage for an entire life of confusion... guilt and condemnation ( of self and others ).
These forums are host a plethora of views and beliefs... and therefore in my opinion are to be taken with a grain of salt and sometimes... simply just NOT taken at all.
You are correct... in that much of truth is in the middle... however there ARE some ABSOLUTES.
The problem with theology and the teaching of doctrines is that they STICK with people... and form beliefs... some of those teachings and beliefs are ok... and others are plain wrong and dangerous... causing much confusion... strife and wrong way of believing.
For a baby Christian to receive wrong teaching on certain things... can impact the rest of their lives. Salvation is one of those issues... Either it's a gift or it isn't... either you can lose it or you can't... the difference is between life and death. Teaching the wrong "doctrine" with regards to Salvation sets the stage for an entire life of confusion... guilt and condemnation ( of self and others ).
These forums are host a plethora of views and beliefs... and therefore in my opinion are to be taken with a grain of salt and sometimes... simply just NOT taken at all.
You are correct... in that much of truth is in the middle... however there ARE some ABSOLUTES.
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Grailhunter
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If you stick with the scriptures, you will be alright.
You see, you are back to the extremes now. A lot of people like to form their beliefs without the scriptures and it just does not work.
They are here for discussions. Peoples views and options. But you can always reference the scriptures and salvation for the new Christians is explained very simply in Acts 2:38
One absolute, God is good...that is about it. I have already given you a bunch of scriptures that explain the things that can prevent you from going to heaven. There is no such thing as, do whatever you want and go to heaven. No such thing as once saved always saved or name it and claim it.
@Grailhunter... More than ONE absolute... but not going to argue... LOL
Have a lovely day... Glad you miss me...
Have a lovely day... Glad you miss me...
ByGraceThroughFaith
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indeed, but some just refuse to accept the Bible Way, and demand that their way is better than God's!
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