Typical questions people ask about the Olivet Discourse.

[Timtofly]

There was no portion left of that eastern gate of the temple to be buried after AD 70. The entire temple was burned and torn down to the last stone - eastern gate included. It is immaterial if people over time have failed to "get" this fulfilled prophecy of Christ's second coming back then. The Jews who were eye-witnesses of Christ's return from their position inside the besieged city of Jerusalem either died by the sword, plague, or famine, or were imprisoned and died in Roman arenas or in slavery. Dead people and slaves aren't the best at making documents of what they have witnessed.

I'm talking about every one of the gospel accounts which refer to this same dialogue about persecution of the disciples leading up to the days of vengeance / aka the "Great Tribulation", followed immediately by Christ's second coming return. Matthew Mark and Luke all include the stipulation that all of those predicted events would take place before that first-century generation had passed away. Variations in how the gospels record this same dialogue don't matter. It's the same as if multiple witnesses looking from different perspectives on a crime scene notice different aspects of the same event to report to the police. Their combined witness gives a more complete picture of the event than if they all parroted each other verbatim.

None of the Olivet Discourse mentions the destruction of Jerusalem.

 

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None of the Olivet Discourse mentions the destruction of Jerusalem.

Of course it does. What do you think the word "desolation" means? "And when ye shall see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that the desolation thereof in nigh...For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled."

Have you never read about those "days of vengeance" predicted in the OT for Jerusalem in the "latter end" of Israel as the "holy people"? Do a little research. Christ wept over the city of Jerusalem in Luke 19:41-44, foretelling its utter destruction to the last stone being overturned, and the destruction of the people who would be besieged within it.

Have you never read the proscribed method of examining a house for plague in Leviticus 14? It was the same with the house of God which had been corrupted in Christ's day and had become a "den of thieves". In Leviticus 14 , the priest was to examine the house for the spread of corruption, giving it 7 days until another inspection. If it still was corrupted, it was scraped inside and any stones affected were thrown out and it was re-plastered with new stones. If the plague broke out again in that house, at that point the entire structure was to be torn down to the last stone and timber, and all of the rubble removed out of the city to an unclean place.

This is what happened to Jerusalem and its temple in AD 70. Christ had already inspected both Jerusalem and its temple during His earthly ministry and found them to be corrupted. He gave them another space of time until AD 70, when the power of that "holy people" was shattered, and Jerusalem with its temple was torn down to the last stone.

 

[Timtofly]

Of course it does. What do you think the word "desolation" means? "And when ye shall see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that the desolation thereof in nigh...For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled."

Have you never read about those "days of vengeance" predicted in the OT for Jerusalem in the "latter end" of Israel as the "holy people"? Do a little research. Christ wept over the city of Jerusalem in Luke 19:41-44, foretelling its utter destruction to the last stone being overturned, and the destruction of the people who would be besieged within it.

Have you never read the proscribed method of examining a house for plague in Leviticus 14? It was the same with the house of God which had been corrupted in Christ's day and had become a "den of thieves". In Leviticus 14 , the priest was to examine the house for the spread of corruption, giving it 7 days until another inspection. If it still was corrupted, it was scraped inside and any stones affected were thrown out and it was re-plastered with new stones. If the plague broke out again in that house, at that point the entire structure was to be torn down to the last stone and timber, and all of the rubble removed out of the city to an unclean place.

This is what happened to Jerusalem and its temple in AD 70. Christ had already inspected both Jerusalem and its temple during His earthly ministry and found them to be corrupted. He gave them another space of time until AD 70, when the power of that "holy people" was shattered, and Jerusalem with its temple was torn down to the last stone.

Those words were spoken in the Temple, not on the Mount of Olives.

 

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Those words were spoken in the Temple, not on the Mount of Olives.

This is immaterial. The subject of the discussion is the same, wherever Christ spoke those words about Jerusalem and the temple's total destruction. Everything Christ said on this subject would fulfill everything which had been written about it in the OT scriptures.

 

[Timtofly]

This is immaterial. The subject of the discussion is the same, wherever Christ spoke those words about Jerusalem and the temple's total destruction. Everything Christ said on this subject would fulfill everything which had been written about it in the OT scriptures.

Of course it is important to warn the public of what is to come.

According to you the church was finished and complete in 70AD, as you are basing your whole argument on the public words instead of those spoken to the church in private about the Second Coming after the church is complete.

You seem to forget the church was not based on the the outcome of the Temple and Jerusalem.

Neither is the Second Coming.

 

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According to you the church was finished and complete in 70AD,

No, I have never said that. Christ's words to His disciples referred to "the end of the AGE" when Jerusalem and its temple would be destroyed along with His second coming dated to that same AD 70 year. He said nothing about the church being "complete" at His second coming. There have been AGES that followed the end of that age back in the first century. Remember, Paul wrote from his first-century perspective about "the AGES (plural) that are coming".

Human history on this planet would continue to flow after Christ's second coming. This is obvious in Zechariah 14:16 in that "year to year" progress of time AFTER Christ's second coming return to the Mount of Olives in Zechariah 14:4-5. You and I are sitting in that "year to year" time frame after Christ's second coming already occurred back in AD 70. We are waiting on Christ's third coming, at which time the church WILL be complete with the final third resurrection "harvest".

 

[Timtofly]

No, I have never said that. Christ's words to His disciples referred to "the end of the AGE" when Jerusalem and its temple would be destroyed along with His second coming dated to that same AD 70 year. He said nothing about the church being "complete" at His second coming. There have been AGES that followed the end of that age back in the first century. Remember, Paul wrote from his first-century perspective about "the AGES (plural) that are coming".

Human history on this planet would continue to flow after Christ's second coming. This is obvious in Zechariah 14:16 in that "year to year" progress of time AFTER Christ's second coming return to the Mount of Olives in Zechariah 14:4-5. You and I are sitting in that "year to year" time frame after Christ's second coming already occurred back in AD 70. We are waiting on Christ's third coming, at which time the church WILL be complete with the final third resurrection "harvest".

So this is it then? This is eternity and nothing is going to ever change again?

That is your whole point.

You do claim the church ends at the Second Coming. Zechariah 14 does not mention a church continuing after the Second Coming.

Zechariah 14 declares Jesus rules physically on the earth, world without end, as no end is mentioned as happening, in that chapter.

 

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So this is it then? This is eternity and nothing is going to ever change again?

That is your whole point.

No, that is not my point. Of course, you and I are not presently in eternity as of yet. We are waiting on the final third resurrection and the final judgment. At that point, there will no longer need to be any additional members as "living stones" being built up into the "holy temple" that will be completed at that point.

You do claim the church ends at the Second Coming. Zechariah 14 does not mention a church continuing after the Second Coming.

No, I am not claiming the church ends at the Second Coming. Zechariah 14:16-19 actually DOES mention a church continuing after Christ's second coming to the Mount of Olives. The church is what is doing that "year to year" worship of the Lord in the NEW Jerusalem, which you and I are presently occupying today.

Christ Jesus did not say He would remain bodily on the earth when He came to gather His resurrected saints at the second coming. He told the disciples that "...I will come again and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be also." The idea was that the resurrected saints would be caught up with Jesus and taken to His Father's house in heaven - not remain here on the earth at that point. They would meet Him together in the air at His second coming to the Mount of Olives, and so would they ever be with the Lord, as Paul wrote in 1 Thess. 4.

 

[Timtofly]

No, that is not my point. Of course, you and I are not presently in eternity as of yet. We are waiting on the final third resurrection and the final judgment. At that point, there will no longer need to be any additional members as "living stones" being built up into the "holy temple" that will be completed at that point.

No, I am not claiming the church ends at the Second Coming. Zechariah 14:16-19 actually DOES mention a church continuing after Christ's second coming to the Mount of Olives. The church is what is doing that "year to year" worship of the Lord in the NEW Jerusalem, which you and I are presently occupying today.

Christ Jesus did not say He would remain bodily on the earth when He came to gather His resurrected saints at the second coming. He told the disciples that "...I will come again and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be also." The idea was that the resurrected saints would be caught up with Jesus and taken to His Father's house in heaven - not remain here on the earth at that point. They would meet Him together in the air at His second coming to the Mount of Olives, and so would they ever be with the Lord, as Paul wrote in 1 Thess. 4.

You cannot have the first and second comings both in Zechariah 14 as finished in 70AD. The whole point of the future Second Coming is to fulfill Zechariah 14.

Jesus did not fulfill Zechariah 14 in 30AD nor in 70AD.

You make it sound as if Zechariah 14 declares 3 different coming events. It does not.

No church members demand people come to them on a yearly basis.

 

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You cannot have the first and second comings both in Zechariah 14 as finished in 70AD.

?? I never said anything about Christ's first coming taking place in AD 70 in Zechariah 14. That was the second coming of Christ which Zechariah foretold in Zechariah 14:4-5. This second coming return of Christ had to take place when there were still the tribes and families of Israel living in Jerusalem, because it was they who would be doing that mourning in the city, according to Zechariah 12:10-14. These tribes and families of Israel do not exist anymore today (the house of David, Nathan, Levi, Shimei, etc.) That "siege both against Judah and Jerusalem" in Zech 12:2 took place in the AD 66-70 period. The "lawgiver" tribe of Judah does not exist anymore since then.

You make it sound as if Zechariah 14 declares 3 different coming events. It does not.

Zechariah 14:16-19 with its "year to year" worship of the Lord shows regular human history continuing to progress on earth AFTER Christ's second coming in Zechariah 14:4-5. Do you think all of those living and dying during that "year to year" continuation of history do not have to appear in a judgment before God at the final conclusion of human history? This is a necessity for Christ to perform a third coming with a third resurrection and a final judgment. There aren't any exceptions to "we must ALL stand before the judgment seat of Christ..." ALL must eventually be judged by Christ, even though it is not a single, simultaneous event.

No church members demand people come to them on a yearly basis.

I never said the church is responsible for demanding this worship of the Lord. It is God's decree "that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow", whether in heaven, or on earth, or under the earth (Philippians 2:9-11). For those in the "year to year" progress of history after Christ's second coming return, if they do not submit to worship of the Lord of hosts, they will not receive the "rain" of God's blessing upon them. (The OT compares the "rain" to righteousness given by God in Hosea 10:12, Isaiah 45:8).

 

[Timtofly]

?? I never said anything about Christ's first coming taking place in AD 70 in Zechariah 14. That was the second coming of Christ which Zechariah foretold in Zechariah 14:4-5. This second coming return of Christ had to take place when there were still the tribes and families of Israel living in Jerusalem, because it was they who would be doing that mourning in the city, according to Zechariah 12:10-14. These tribes and families of Israel do not exist anymore today (the house of David, Nathan, Levi, Shimei, etc.) That "siege both against Judah and Jerusalem" in Zech 12:2 took place in the AD 66-70 period. The "lawgiver" tribe of Judah does not exist anymore since then.


Zechariah 14:16-19 with its "year to year" worship of the Lord shows regular human history continuing to progress on earth AFTER Christ's second coming in Zechariah 14:4-5. Do you think all of those living and dying during that "year to year" continuation of history do not have to appear in a judgment before God at the final conclusion of human history? This is a necessity for Christ to perform a third coming with a third resurrection and a final judgment. There aren't any exceptions to "we must ALL stand before the judgment seat of Christ..." ALL must eventually be judged by Christ, even though it is not a single, simultaneous event.


I never said the church is responsible for demanding this worship of the Lord. It is God's decree "that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow", whether in heaven, or on earth, or under the earth (Philippians 2:9-11). For those in the "year to year" progress of history after Christ's second coming return, if they do not submit to worship of the Lord of hosts, they will not receive the "rain" of God's blessing upon them. (The OT compares the "rain" to righteousness given by God in Hosea 10:12, Isaiah 45:8).

70AD was still only a few generations after 30AD. It was closer in time than we are to the American Civil War. Closer even in time to the 2 World Wars. You do have both the 1st and 2nd Comings in Zechariah 14, because you have basically the same people.

You implied the church was not between the 2 Comings but happened in the aftermath of 70AD per Zechariah 14. It was demanded by Jesus ruling from Jerusalem in Zechariah 14 for all nations to sent a delegation each year. You attributed that to the church.

Why would Jesus leave in Zechariah 14 after setting up an earthly kingdom? Then you have Jesus leaving twice in a period of 40 years. Jesus never leaves the earth in Zechariah 14.

You argue that it has to be when the tribes of Israel are in their homeland. Well it seems they have representatives of all the tribes there today, not just Judah and Benjamin. All they are waiting for is their King to arrive per Zechariah 14, which has never happened in history. The first century was the Messiah part to be the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Then the church would gather a harvest for an indefinite period of time, and only then, Jesus would return as King at the Second Coming. Zechariah 14 never mentions the church at all.

 

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70AD was still only a few generations after 30AD. It was closer in time than we are to the American Civil War. Closer even in time to the 2 World Wars. You do have both the 1st and 2nd Comings in Zechariah 14, because you have basically the same people.

Christ's first coming was when He "came unto His own" in AD 30 with the launch of His public miraculous ministry.

Christ's second coming return was in AD 70 to the Mount of Olives, just as Zechariah 14:4-5 foretold. Zechariah 14 did not predict Christ's first coming in AD 30. It actually was the same first-century generation of people who experienced both comings, but these comings were not both dated to AD 70. You are creating a straw man argument here.

You implied the church was not between the 2 Comings but happened in the aftermath of 70AD per Zechariah 14

No, I made no such implication. Another straw man argument. God has had His own children of faith in every generation and nation since Creation forward. This is the "whole family in heaven and earth" (Ephesians 3:15). The entire body of Christ - the church - is composed of these children of faith from the beginning to the end of human history.

It was demanded by Jesus ruling from Jerusalem in Zechariah 14 for all nations to sent a delegation each year. You attributed that to the church.

Jesus rules in the spiritual New Jerusalem, which you and I are currently occupying. And no, I did not attribute that worship of the Lord of hosts as a requirement of the church. It is a decree of God Himself that all should give honor to the enthroned Christ, the King of kings.

Why would Jesus leave in Zechariah 14 after setting up an earthly kingdom? Then you have Jesus leaving twice in a period of 40 years. Jesus never leaves the earth in Zechariah 14.

Why would Jesus leave in Zech. 14? Christ set up the New Covenant at His resurrection and left His Spirit to indwell every believer when He ascended. In this sense, Christ is presently "ruling in the midst of His enemies" by using believers as His Spirit-indwelt ambassadors. In that sense, Christ never left this planet. His glorified resurrection body left this planet, but as He told His disciples, He left His Spirit, the Comforter, remaining behind.

We have other scriptures which tell us that Jesus was going to return, gather His resurrected saints, and return to heaven with them. Zechariah 14 doesn't need to say this. Christ fills the role of the Great High Priest King over all the earth, replacing all the other former Levitical high priests which He eliminated as part of the "weak and beggary elements" of the OC.

You argue that it has to be when the tribes of Israel are in their homeland. Well it seems they have representatives of all the tribes there today, not just Judah and Benjamin

No, there are no tribes of Israel left anymore. God had all the genealogical records in Jerusalem's archives burned up in AD 70. The Zealots themselves set fire to these. Tribal records were part of the "vain genealogies" which Paul warned the believers to avoid and not to give any heed to these (Titus 3:9 and 1 Timothy 1:4). Zechariah 12 mentions these Israelite tribes and families only because this prophecy of Christ's return was going to take place just before those records were turned into ashes. There is no royal "family of David" from the tribe of Judah anymore. Likewise, there is no Levitical tribe, etc., etc.. You are continuing to put focus on what Paul scornfully called "endless genealogies" which gave no godly edifying to the faith of the believers.

Zechariah 14 never mentions the church at all.

Where do you think those rivers of "living water" were to come from in Zechariah 14:8? As Christ once said, for those who believe in Him, out of their belly would flow rivers of "living water" which would result from the Holy Spirit's work within believers (John 7:38-39). This IS the church in action, with the influence of the Holy Spirit spreading in all directions, and all the year around.

 

[Timtofly]

We have other scriptures which tell us that Jesus was going to return, gather His resurrected saints, and return to heaven with them.

This is a strawman argument, if you are only going to throw that out as an excuse not to incorporate more Scripture into your argument.

You are the one denying Jesus will physically rule on the earth. That is the whole result of your symbolic argument. You have to replace Jesus on the earth with something else.

 

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You are the one denying Jesus will physically rule on the earth. That is the whole result of your symbolic argument.

Actually, no, I have never said that either. I believe it is entirely possible that Christ in the future, final third resurrection and a GWT judgment will reign bodily on this earth when He has purged it of any remaining human evil for all time.

In the meantime, as Christ once prayed to God in John 17:23 concerning His disciples, "I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one...". In this sense that the church is called Christ's body - "Christ in you, the hope of glory" (Colossians 1:27) - Jesus is presently reigning over this world. "For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones." (Ephesians 5:30). "He that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him." (1 John 5:16). As God's ambassadors in this world that carry His Spirit within us, we are His hands and feet that are to minister to others and help spread the kingdom of God's dominion in this manner.

The "Stone" kingdom of Christ is constantly growing in its effects in this world, and will one day fill the whole world, as Daniel's prophecy foretold. Nobody can stop the spread of Christ's dominion, because scripture promises concerning Christ that "of the increase of His government and of His peace there shall be no end."

 

[Davy]

Those towers were part of the walls of Jerusalem. Christ's prediction was that Jerusalem's enemies would not leave "IN THEE one stone upon another". That was INSIDE the walls of Jerusalem where everything would be torn down. Which did happen in the AD 70 period.

You still don't get it though... the Western Wall that still stands today was part of the temple mount complex of 'STONES'. And what do you think the Dome of the Rock is which is standing on the temple mount today? The 70 A.D. destruction only served as a blueprint, not the final destruction there ordained for the last day of this world. Those SIGNS Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13 are the events of the Seals of Revelation 6, which are events to occur at the very end of this present world just prior to Christ's return.

 

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You still don't get it though... the Western Wall that still stands today was part of the temple mount complex of 'STONES'. And what do you think the Dome of the Rock is which is standing on the temple mount today?

No, the Western Wall was part of the foundation of the Roman Antonia Fortress on top of it where the Roman troops were garrisoned. It did not support the Temple. All those buildings were razed to be laid "even with the ground", as Christ foretold in Luke 19:44. The Western Wall is similar to today's wall of cinder blocks below grade level that support a house structure above ground.

The Temple was further south from the supposed "Temple Mount", as we know that it had to be in the location where living water from the Gihon Spring could be siphoned for ritual purification in the temple. There is no access to the Gihon Spring on what is thought to be the "Temple Mount" with the Dome of the Rock (built later in the AD 600's).

The Dome of the Rock stands on what used to be part of the Roman Antonia Fortress. Archaeology has unearthed plenty of Roman artifacts from this site of the supposed "Temple Mount". This location was where Christ was brought to be mocked and scourged by the soldiers before His crucifixion. I find it poignant that the Muslim requirement to remove one's shoes when entering this space unknowingly gives homage to the blood of our scourged Savior spattered over that ground.

And all of the events listed in the Olivet Discourse as well as the seals, trumpets, and vials of Revelation took place before Christ's return at "the end of the age" (in the first century before Christ's return in AD 70). Other ages followed that one.

 

[Douggg]

What does Jesus mean by "the elect"?

The elect in Matthew 24:31 is referring to the Jews are completely gathered out of the nations back to the land of Israel - leaving none left in the nations.

Matthew 24:31 corresponds to Ezekiel 39:28. Ezekiel 39:21-29 is actually Jesus Himself speaking in the text having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.


Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there. kjv

Some people get confused when reading Matthew 24:31, thinking it is talking about a post trib rapture/resurrection because of what it says about "from one end of heaven to the other". i.e Jesus bringing the souls of the dead in Christ with Him from heaven, when He resurrects their bodies from the grave and reunites their resurrected bodies with their souls.

But where that phrase comes from is in Deuteronomy 30:2-5, as God gathering the children of Israel back out of the nations when they turn back to Him.

Matthew 24: 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Deuteronomy 30: 2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

 

[Douggg]

The Olivet Discourse verses can be broken down into (column 1) near term events, (column 2) long term events, (column 3) end times events.

To use the chart, just go to each Chapter of Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21. And start reading each chapter one at a time, cross-referencing the chart as you go.

Start with Matthew 24
Then Mark 13
Then Luke 21

 

[Davy]

No, the Western Wall was part of the foundation of the Roman Antonia Fortress on top of it where the Roman troops were garrisoned. It did not support the Temple. All those buildings were razed to be laid "even with the ground", as Christ foretold in Luke 19:44. The Western Wall is similar to today's wall of cinder blocks below grade level that support a house structure above ground.

The Temple was further south from the supposed "Temple Mount", as we know that it had to be in the location where living water from the Gihon Spring could be siphoned for ritual purification in the temple. There is no access to the Gihon Spring on what is thought to be the "Temple Mount" with the Dome of the Rock (built later in the AD 600's).

The Dome of the Rock stands on what used to be part of the Roman Antonia Fortress. Archaeology has unearthed plenty of Roman artifacts from this site of the supposed "Temple Mount". This location was where Christ was brought to be mocked and scourged by the soldiers before His crucifixion. I find it poignant that the Muslim requirement to remove one's shoes when entering this space unknowingly gives homage to the blood of our scourged Savior spattered over that ground.

And all of the events listed in the Olivet Discourse as well as the seals, trumpets, and vials of Revelation took place before Christ's return at "the end of the age" (in the first century before Christ's return in AD 70). Other ages followed that one.

Afraid not, those are Preterist theories from men's leaven doctrines. There are STILL stones atop one another on TODAY'S temple mount in Jerusalem. And only when those are demolished at Jesus' future return will that part of His Olivet prophecy be fulfilled. Until then, the 70 A.D. destruction of the temple and Jerusalem only serves as a 'blueprint', a 'type', for the final fulfillment when Jesus returns, just as Antiochus Epiphanes in 170 B.C. served as a blueprint for the final Antichrist to come at the end of this world that will actually completely fulfill the "vile person" prophecy of Daniel 11.

Thus what men's false doctrine of Preterism and Historicism on this matter does, is actually deny the SIGNS of the end of this world which Lord Jesus gave as a warning to His Church, so we would not be deceived. That is the false work of those seminary movements that 'try' to move those SIGNS of the end in Christ's Olivet discourse to a time back in history, like 70 A.D., and is actually a slap in the face of Lord Jesus Christ.

Moreover, what Jesus said about learning a parable of the fig tree, per His Olivet discourse, He pointed to the generation that will SEE ALL THESE THINGS being the last generation on earth, meaning ALL those SIGNS He gave in those Matthew 24 and Mark 13 chapters, the final SIGN being that of His future coming and gathering of His saints, which of course has not happened yet to this day!

And Partial Preterists are only one small... step away from being totally blasphemous against Christ Jesus with the doctrine of 'Full Preterism' which falsely believes Christ's future return already happened back in the days of His Apostles! That is the danger you are in with the false doctrine on this you have accepted.

 

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Afraid not, those are Preterist theories from men's leaven doctrines. There are STILL stones atop one another on TODAY'S temple mount in Jerusalem.

You are confusing Jerusalem's torn down condition at the end of the war in AD 70 with whatever was built in Jerusalem during the following centuries since then. At the close of the AD 70 war in Jerusalem, there was no stone inside the city left on top of another; all was made "even with the ground" within the city walls. Christ foretold that all this string of events prior to (and including) His second coming were "about to come to pass" (Luke 21:36) for His own first-century generation and their children before that generation had all passed away. I believe Him.

Jerusalem only serves as a 'blueprint', a 'type', for the final fulfillment when Jesus returns, just as Antiochus Epiphanes in 170 B.C. served as a blueprint for the final Antichrist to come at the end of this world that will actually completely fulfill the "vile person" prophecy of Daniel 11

The single Antichrist is ancient history by now. He was one of the many antichrists going out from among the assemblies written to in 1 John 2:18-19. Paul also wrote to the Thessalonians reminding them of the identity of both this "Man of Lawlessness" individual and his restrainer which were both alive in those days (2 Thess. 2:5-7). Both of these men were murdered in AD 66.

You will search in vain for a future fulfillment of the Antichrist. Those "false christs" came around in Christ's generation when there would be false prophets claiming that the Messiah Christ was "in the secret chambers" (Matt. 24:24-26). These "secret chambers" were part of Herod's renovated temple: a repository for anonymous donations for the poor, which were dispensed anonymously at intervals. Also, an anonymous repository for donations in support of the temple upkeep.

Once those "secret chambers" were destroyed along with the temple, there is no longer any way for some future false prophet to claim that a Messiah pretender is present in those "secret chambers" which have long-since been destroyed. (And you are also confusing the "vile person" of the Seleucids (Antiochus Epiphanes IV) with someone in our future). ALL of Daniel's prophecies have been fulfilled, without a single exception, and by the time God had "shattered the power of the holy people" in AD 70 (Daniel 12:7).

And Partial Preterists are only one small... step away from being totally blasphemous against Christ Jesus with the doctrine of 'Full Preterism' which falsely believes Christ's future return already happened back in the days of His Apostles! That is the danger you are in with the false doctrine on this you have accepted.

Neither Partial Preterists nor the Full Preterists have the full picture. God scheduled three bodily resurrection events over the total 7,000-year timespan of history. Two of them have already happened, and exactly on the days which the Mosaic harvest festivals symbolized of Passover in AD 30 and Pentecost day in AD 70 (the 1,335th day in Daniel 12:11-13). You and I are anticipating Christ's future third bodily coming, at the time of year when the Feast of Tabernacles would have been celebrated. We have a long way to go yet until that day in AD 3033.