Understanding and Believing the Gospel
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You condition salvation on something man does, thats works, dont have to be the Law for it to be works
You condition salvation on something man does, thats works, dont have to be the Law for it to be works
amigo de christo
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Well it was JESUS who first said YE MUST BELIEVE .
truly i hope you dont think by reminding and saying to others YE must believe is wrong or not trusting in JESUS .
sometimes folks overthink things way way too much .
amigo de christo
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just remember what this pope and many others preach today wont save one soul at all .
Its gonna damn them all .
Time to speak the truth of JESUS CHRIST to all that has breath
and to continue to exhort all who do believe to keep that hope firm in HE ALONE UNTO THE END .
amigo de christo
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it is sad to watch and to see it . sad for them .
IF ONLY
HOW OFTEN WOULD I HAVE GATHERED THEE only YE would not .
The only thing by grace that i can do is point to CHRIST and all biblical reminders
reminding daily of the only ONE TRUE HOPE THERE IS for this dead and dying world
and it sure aint budda or any other religoin , ITS JESUS CHRIST AND HE ALONE . yes
JESUS CHRIST and HE ALONE that must be pointed too .
amigo de christo
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He who HONORS the SON , HONORS THE FATHER WHO SENT HIM .
this is a fact .
He who dishonors the SON , GUESS WHO THEY DISHONOR
guess who they call a liar . GOD .
its that simple a message . And its high time that message gets picked back up and taught and reminded to all .
THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY NAME WHEREBY ONE CAN BE SAVED .
this is a fact .
He who dishonors the SON , GUESS WHO THEY DISHONOR
guess who they call a liar . GOD .
its that simple a message . And its high time that message gets picked back up and taught and reminded to all .
THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY NAME WHEREBY ONE CAN BE SAVED .
Behold
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Calvin created that Lie you and BF and others here, are teaching.
He created a lot of Lies and He uses people to keep lying for Him.
Here is something for you to know.
God makes Christians
Calvin makes Calvinists.
They are not the same.
They are in fact, in opposition with each other.
You condition salvation on something man does, thats works, dont have to be the Law for it to be works
You condition salvation on something man does, thats works, dont have to be the Law for it to be works
You deny TULIP Truths, you deny the Gospel of Gods Grace, hope you understand that friend
Behold
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God has a condition that must be completed by a person, before God will give them "the Gift of Salvation"
This it......to do the "will of my Father", regarding all humans.
What is that will?
Its that you ALL "Believe on Jesus"
See that Belief?
God does not do that for you, as If He did, He would not REQUIRE Faith.
As God would not need to require you to BELIEVE< if He caused it.
Now, a Devil deceived Calvinist cannot understand what i just wrote.
But a Christian can understand it, as it makes "perfect sense" to a mind that isnt blinded by a "doctrine of Devils", (Calvinism).
Dear JBO,
Your beliefs are not coming from God's Word.
Where does scripture ever say that mankind has a free will ability to choose?
Don't show me scriptures where mankind is told to "choose" because the ability to choose does not mean mankind has a free will. A computer has the ability to make choices but no one would argue that a computer has a free will.
The definition of free will is to have the ability to make uncaused choices free from divine constraints.
Below are just a few verses which clearly teach that there are divine constraints upon mankind's "will":
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Prov 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.
Prov 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?
Isa 26:12 O Jehovah, thou appointest peace to us, for, all our works also thou hast wrought for us.
Jer 10:23 I know, Jehovah, that the way of man is not his own; it is not in a man that walketh to direct his steps.
Deut 29:4 Yet the LORD hath not given you a heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.
Isa 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
Prov 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
In this age, God's Word teaches that only those people who are blessed from the foundation of the world will be saved:
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
2Tim 1:9 who did save us, and did call with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, that was given to us in Christ Jesus, before the times of the ages…
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
Paul was even asked about why God still finds fault with mankind given the truth that God's "will" rules over our "will":
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore, hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
How can you read these scriptures which I have posted above and come away with the conclusion that mankind has a free will to determine their own destiny?
Where is your faith to believe God's Word?
Joe
Behold
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God has Freewill.
Believe it.
Jesus has free will and had it on earth, just like we do.
Also, Man is made "in the image of God" .... which means "in God's Likeness", or "Like God".
This is why Jesus told us.. "Know you not that you are godz"?
See, people who are deceived by John "The Devil" Calvin, believe what He believes and not what God believes.
This is why they are : "Calvinists".
This is why all they want to do is come to a forum and teach HIS Theology of LIES.
Calvin is their "spiritual infection".. Its a theological sickness... a mental issue..... that is caused and maintained by the Devil.
Paul says this is a "STRONGHOLD" in their mind that manifests as their Belief System.
Dear Behold,
Calvinism is just another false doctrine of the apostate church. It is not what God's Word teaches.
God's Word says that the Father sent Jesus Christ to save the world (1John 4:14). Since God never fails and ALWAYS accomplishes His desires, the salvation of the world (every single person who has ever lived) is an absolute certainty. Calvinism denies this truth.
To save the world, Christ established a plan and order for mankind's salvation. In this age, Christ is only saving those people who have been chosen from the foundation of the world. They are the First Fruits of His harvest of mankind (James 1:18). This truth is represented by the Feast of Weeks (First Fruits).
At the end of the next and final age, Christ will bring in the remaining harvest of mankind. This truth is represented by the Feast of Ingathering (Tabernacles).
Exo 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
Why do you believe that Christ will bring in the harvest of First Fruits but will leave the rest of the harvest to die in the field?
When Christ judges the "lost" of the final age, He will not omit justice, mercy and faith during their time of judgment.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
In the final age, before the "lost" perish in the Lake of Fire (the true penalty of sin), Christ will have mercy upon them and give them the free gift of faith. With this faith, the pathway for Christ to come to them will be made "straight" (Isa 40:3). When Christ comes to them, He will pour out the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit which will birth the new child of God. Immediately after the child of God is born, the child will be gathered up to heaven. The child of the devil will remain in the Lake of Fire where he will perish - this satisfies "justice".
This entire spiritual process is called conversion. It births the new child of God and destroys the child of the devil.
After the final harvest of mankind is complete, these scripture will be testified to be true:
1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
1Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the consummation, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
It is Christ's work and responsibility to save all mankind. This is why the Father sent Christ into the world:
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
Why do you believe that Christ is not only going to fail in the mission His Father gave Him, but will instead, torment in literal fire most of His creation?
This false gospel you teach is a nightmare for this world. The true Gospel of Christ is "good news". Can't you see you are following the teachings of Satan and not those of Christ?
Joe
Dear Behold,
Jesus did not have a free will. Only God the Father has a free will.
Also, being made in the likeness of God does not mean that mankind has a free will. There are many, many scriptures which deny that mankind has a free will ability.
Your beliefs are not coming from what God's Word teaches.
Joe
The misstep, in spite of the use of the term “no one”, is the assumption of a separate self that requires the Holy Spirit for understanding and belief. This mistep is the denial of the Holy Spirit. The “separate self” is in actuality, thoughts, believed. The belief is there is a “knower” which is separate, and “knows” that there are, and “knows” which “other separate selves” are and are not, saved.
It’s an aggrandizing of a unicorn which knows there are other unicorns.
No self, no problem.
When you believed in Jesus ..would you say God brought you to believe in Jesus ?
How did you come to believe in Jesus?...
Just like he draws us to Jesus, brings us to repentance/ Godly sorrow?
amigo de christo
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TRY BRINGING SCRIPTURE i dont heed parrots who parrot the same stuff that scripture easily defeats .
BRING ME SOME SCRIPTURE that proves its error to REMIND FOLKS of the dire necessity to have to BELIEVE ON JESUS .
bring me scripture not your own twisted conception of what you think is the law or works .
Exactly . hear them crickets chirp my friend . You cant . But i can show you where both CHRIST
and the apostels reminded folks OF THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE , yeah BELIEVE . BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
But you will do as you do and keep bringing a LINE you THINK .