Understanding "THE MAN OF SIN IS REVEALED" passage.

[Phoneman777]

You can claim all day long that Daniel 7 and Revelation13 and 17 are Rome but YOU have to prove your point scripturally - how about answering my question? Here it is again...

If you are so adamantly believe that Rome is, "the Little Horn, Man of Sin, Antichrist, Beast of Revelation 13, Whore of Babylon, and King of the North...

Then surely there must be at least ONE end-time prophecy in the entire bible that affirms these accusations.

There must be at least ONE end-time prophecy that specifically points to Rome, Catholicism, or the Papacy. CAN YOU QUOTE ONE for the forum please?

I've made my point. If you refuse to accept it, then please explain why you think the Papacy must be specifically named in Scripture in order to be properly identified, but the Creator/Redeemer didn't deserve the same courtesy.

 

[stormymonday]

Have you never read in Daniel where after the fall of the fourth beast and rise of the ten horns there would rise among them "another little horn"?

Rome was the fourth beast which fell, after which the Ten Barbarian tribes arose and began to fight each other until they agreed the Bishop of Rome would have to rule over them to establish lasting peace, and BOOM, in walks the Papacy in 538 A.D. which even SECULAR historians recognize as having taken control over these Ten kingdoms.

"It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against antichrist, and as to what antichrist is, NO SANE MAN ought to raise the question. If it be not the popery in the CHURCH OF ROME, there is nothing else in the world that can be called by that name." - Charles Spurgeon​

AGAIN! You are NOT quoting even ONE verse that specifically implicates Rome! You can't because there are NONE!

Besides that the little horn is said to come from Greece NOT Rome is chapter 8!

Are you going to tell me like so many others that the little horn of Daniel 7 is Rome but the little horn of Daniel 8 is Greece?

 

[covenantee]

That's right - the Vicar- representative of God.

Ferraris was an 18th century Franciscan. It doesn't matter what he says anyway because he doesn't reflect the beliefs of all Catholics whether then or today.

Catholics are NOT anti-Christ. They believe in Jesus' life, miracles, crucifixion, atonement, resurrection, and ascension. They are NOT anti-Christ!

Maybe you should look at the abomination that 'sits upon' God's holy place on the Temple Mount. Maybe you should look at what is said around the octagonal structure of this abomination.

The Temple Mount or Mount Moriah is at the geographically center of Jerusalem's seven MOUNTAINS.

Around the octagonal structure of the Dome of the Rock is a long classical Arabic inscription that says that God has no begotten son, thus denying that Jesus is the Son of God.

Inscriptions on the octagonal structure of the Dome are anti-Christ. They say...

- There is no God but Allah.
- God has no son; He begetteth not.
- God taketh not unto Himself a son.
- God has no associate.
- Muhammad is the messenger of God.
- Allah will preside on Judgment Day.

Now think about this. This is anti-Christ message is written on a heathen shrine that occupies the only piece of ground on earth that God claimed was His Own!

These images in the marble developed over time. They were not etched in. They look like the two types of alien's people document as seeing. The short ones with the big eyes and the tall ones like the one on the left.

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The papal claims are unmistakable indefensible blasphemies. Why would you defend them?

A vicar is a substitute.

The prefix "anti" also means substitute, as in antichrist.

These were Reformation foundational doctrines.

By God's grace and mercy, the Reformation liberated the True Church from spiritual darkness and oppression.

You are on this forum today because of the Reformers' faith, vision, and sacrifice.

Don't forget it.

 

[stormymonday]

I've made my point. If you refuse to accept it, then please explain why you think the Papacy must be specifically named in Scripture in order to be properly identified, but the Creator/Redeemer didn't deserve the same courtesy.

The PAPACY is part of ROME and the EU. I'm asking for just ONE verse that proves your point!! I refuse your point because you CAN'T quote ONE verse!

I can post dozens of verses that show an Arab, Iranian, and Islamic connection! That's why Rome isn't labelled as the beast. Islamic countries are!

 

[stormymonday]

The papal claims are unmistakable indefensible blasphemies. Why would you defend them?

A vicar is a substitute.

The prefix "anti" also means substitute, as in antichrist.

These were Reformation foundational doctrines.

By God's grace and mercy, the Reformation liberated the True Church from spiritual darkness and oppression.

You are on this forum today because of the Reformers' faith, vision, and sacrifice.

Don't forget it.

How about the ONE verse I've been continually been asking for?

I don't think you know what a blasphemy is. The only damnable blasphemy in Christianity is against the holy spirit.

Catholics do not fill those shoes.

Want to compare Islamic blasphemies to non-damnable Catholic blasphemies?

 

[covenantee]

How about the ONE verse I've been continually been asking for?

I don't think you know what a blasphemy is. The only damnable blasphemy in Christianity is against the holy spirit.

Catholics do not fill those shoes.

Want to compare Islamic blasphemies to non-damnable Catholic blasphemies?

Here are two:

Daniel 7
24And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

So you believe that the pope is Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

No Muslim has ever claimed anything equivalent.

 

[stormymonday]

Here are two:

Daniel 7
24And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

So you believe that the pope is Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

No Muslim has ever claimed anything equivalent.

You are really taking this into a destructive place.

But sorry big guy - I don't see Rome mentioned in Daniel 7 anywhere!

 

[covenantee]

You are really taking this into a destructive place.

But sorry big guy - I don't see Rome mentioned in Daniel 7 anywhere!

Reality can be destructive.

The ten horns were ten Roman kingdoms resulting from the dissolution of the 4th kingdom, Imperial Rome.

The little horn was a Roman kingdom which overthrew three of the ten.

Lots of Rome there.

All in the historical record.

 

[stormymonday]

There's just no having a friendly discussion around here about anything without someone turning it into a pile of derogatory shit.

 

[Mr E]

No Muslim has ever claimed any equivalent? Stop with the damn bull shit and false assumptions. It's just a matter of time before you dirt digging assholes drive me out of here.

No one needs to drive you anywhere. Your temper will carry you.

 

[covenantee]

No Muslim has ever claimed any equivalent? Stop with the damn bull shit and false assumptions. It's just a matter of time before you dirt digging assholes drive me out of here.

Present your evidence, if you can find any.

Are you interested in getting banned from this forum? Your language can ensure that, if you wish.

 

[Truth7t7]

The King of the North refers to the king of Babylon, which is symbolic in prophecy. Babylon fell long ago in antiquity and the prophet Isaiah says in absolutely no uncertain terms that the empire of Babylon "shall never be rebuilt" -- which means this Babylonian "North" is symbolic, WHICH MEANS THIS "KING" IS ALSO SYMBOLIC. It's not referring to a single man, nor is "man of sin" referring to a single man any more than "that the man of God may be perfect" refers to a singular man.

Look, this is pure, unadulterated, undiluted, Protestant Reformation era Protestant Historicism which was preached, believed, and spread abroad throughout the entire world for over 300 years beginning in the days of Luther:

Babylon fell at the hands of the Medo Persian ram which waxed "great". ​

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Then, Medo Persia fell at the hands of the Greek he-goat which wax "very great". ​

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Then, Greece fell at the hands of the Pagan Rome little horn which waxed "exceeding great".​

But --- but there was no 5th world empire, for Pagan Rome crumbled from within to the ground and was eventually ruled by Papal Rome which "magnified himself to the Prince of the host (Jesus) and "by him the daily (SACRIFICE IS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL) was taken away" from Jesus our High Priest in the heavenly Sanctuary, and he "cast the truth to the ground" and "practiced and prospered". The prophecies of the Bible which deal with the Little Horn, Man of Sin, Antichrist, Beast of Revelation 13, Whore of Babylon riding the Beast, King of the North, etc. are ALL referring to the Roman Catholic Papacy.​

Are you aware the Protestant Historicism I've written here was preached by Luther?
Are you aware the Protestant Historicism I've written here was preached by Calvin?
Are you aware the Protestant Historicism I've written here was preached by John Wesley?
Are you aware the Protestant Historicism I've written here was preached by Charles Wesley?
Are you aware the Protestant Historicism I've written here was preached by Coverdale?
Are you aware the Protestant Historicism I've written here was preached by Tyndale?
Are you aware the Protestant Historicism I've written here was preached by Melancthon?
Are you aware the Protestant Historicism I've written here was preached by Zwingle?
Are you aware the Protestant Historicism I've written here was preached by Karlsdatd?
Are you aware the Protestant Historicism I've written here was preached by Knox?
Are you aware the Protestant Historicism I've written here was preached by Spalatin?
Are you aware the Protestant Historicism I've written here was preached by Cramner?
Are you aware the Protestant Historicism I've written here was preached by Latimer?
Are you aware the Protestant Historicism I've written here was preached by Ridley?
Are you aware the Protestant Historicism I've written here was preached by Bunderlin?

Are you aware the Jesuit Futurism you preach was preached only by Catholics until the mid-19th century?
Do you not see that you perhaps ought to at least revisit the entire issue?
Is it not irresponsible to accept Jesuit Futurism without investigating thoroughly Protestant Historicism and why it rejected Jesuit Futurism and Jesuit Preterism?

Historicism believes and teaches that Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD and Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation was fulfilled in the 70AD destruction of Jerusale., yes "Jesuit Preterism" in Luis De Alcasar

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

Revelation 17:18AKJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Revelation 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

Revelation 18:19AKJV
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

 

[covenantee]

Historicism believes and teaches that Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD and Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation was fulfilled in the 70AD destruction of Jerusale., yes "Jesuit Preterism" in Luis De Alcasar

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

Revelation 17:18AKJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Revelation 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

Revelation 18:19AKJV
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Historicism precedes both Alcazar and Ribera. Their objective was to eliminate it. They failed.

Historicism rejects both Alcazar's preterism and Ribera's futurism, whose objectives were to sabotage the Reformation. They failed.

Dispensational futurism, whose bed you are in, adores and embraces its godfather Ribera.

It is a traitor to the Reformation, and an abomination of desecration which contorts Christ into antichrist.

Aren't you proud to be a closet papist?

 

[Truth7t7]

Historicism precedes both Alcazar and Ribera. Their objective was to eliminate it. They failed.

Historicism rejects both Alcazar's preterism and Ribera's futurism, whose objectives were to sabotage the Reformation. They failed.

Dispensational futurism, whose bed you are in, adores and embraces its godfather Ribera.

It is a traitor to the Reformation, and an abomination of desecration which contorts Christ into antichrist.

Aren't you proud to be a closet papist?

Historicism "Falsely Teaches" that the Roman Catholic Pope's have fulfilled "The Beast" of Revelation Chapter 13, the figure seen below is "Future" and he will be given 42 "Future" literal months in power, not 18 centuries in the false claims of the Roman Catholic Pope's in sucession

Revelation 13:5KJV
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Daniel 7:25KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-9KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

 

[Truth7t7]

Historicism precedes both Alcazar and Ribera. Their objective was to eliminate it. They failed.

Historicism rejects both Alcazar's preterism and Ribera's futurism, whose objectives were to sabotage the Reformation. They failed.

Dispensational futurism, whose bed you are in, adores and embraces its godfather Ribera.

It is a traitor to the Reformation, and an abomination of desecration which contorts Christ into antichrist.

Aren't you proud to be a closet papist?

Historicism "Falsely Teaching" That The Papacy In Sucession For Centuries Has Fulfilled The Human Figure Seen Below, This Claim Is "False" And Is A Man Made Fabricated Fairy Tale

Daniel's (Little Horn), Paul's (Man Of Sin), And John's (The Beast) A Literal Human Man,, That Will Be Present On This Earth At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ

The figure mentioned above will be a "Future" literal human man, and he will be present on earth in a living human body to witness the "Future" second coming and final judgment as scripture clearly teaches below

Daniel's (Little Horn) Present On Earth At The Second Coming

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Paul's (Man Of Sin) Present On Earth At The Second Coming

2 Thessalonians 2:3-8KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

John's (The Beast) Present On Earth At The Second Coming

Revelation 19:19-20KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[ScottA]

Is there anybody on this forum who doesn't badmouth others?

By "badmouth" I take it that you mean, are there any who are righteous in what they say. No, but only those who do not themselves speak.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Eternal life for believers and unbelievers alike? I guess you must ask and answer, where this eternal life be spent?

I referred to "eternal existence" for believers and unbelievers alike--not "Eternal Life," which is the technical terms we apply only to believers. The lost will go to Outer Darkness, while the saved will spend eternity in the New Jerusalem.

 

[rwb]

I referred to "eternal existence" for believers and unbelievers alike--not "Eternal Life," which is the technical terms we apply only to believers. The lost will go to Outer Darkness, while the saved will spend eternity in the New Jerusalem.

Yes, eternal existence is one thing, but eternal life is only for believers, because I don't view being in a state of eternal dying as life.

Randy, my reply was to what you said in the third paragraph of reply #50 - "Eternal Life, for me, is the gift of eternal fellowship with God, an eternal sharing with Him His virtues and blessings."

 

[Randy Kluth]

Again, that makes no sense! Believers will NEVER become physical "spirit bodies".

Look, brother, I'm just explaining my position. It should make sense to you, despite the fact you disagree!

Again, I'm saying that I define "spirit bodies" as physical bodies aligned with the Spirit of God. They are re-made physical bodies designed strictly for spiritual living.

So they aren't "bodies made out of spirit." Rather, they're bodies conformed to spirituality associated with Jesus.

We seem to define "spirit-bodies" differently? But nevertheless, it should make sense to you. I'm defining "spirit-bodies" as physical bodies that do not sin and only conform to spiritual living in Christ. You, by contrast, seem to define "spirit-bodies" as bodies consisting of spiritual elements?

We are physical bodies with a spirit that came from God, and the two together make us living souls. In the resurrection of our physical bodies, we will still be physical bodies with a spirit that gives our body life. Believers don't become something that sounds supernatural "spirit-body" when our bodies are resurrected and changed. Our physical body shall have IMMORTAL & INCORRUPTIBLE life, with our ETERNAL spirit.

Where in the Bible do you see human beings called an "eternal spirit?" I've already gone on record as saying I believe human beings do have eternal spirits. I call them "eternally-existing spirits."

But you are identifying "Eternal Life" with human spirits, and I'm just not seeing that? By contrast, I identify "Eternal Life" with our spirits joining resurrected bodies that not only eternally exist, but exist in physical bodies in the presence of the Lord forever and ever.

When our body becomes immortal it will NEVER die! Why would immortality need eternal life since immortal is to have everlasting life?

I never said we obtain Eternal Life *after* we become immortal! I'm saying it is the act in becoming immortal that enables us to have Eternal Life. We receive it now only as a down payment in our present mortal bodies. But Eternal Life is consummated only when our bodies are raised from the dead in new physical bodies that cannot die.

Do you believe the immortal body we shall be when physically resurrected will be as God created man in the beginning? I believe we will be like what we were before sin and death came. God called His creation human beings, with a physical body, a spirit within, and together a living soul. We were not created a spirit-body, but a body with a spirit, and I believe we shall be as we once were created again.

No, I believe the bodies Adam and Eve were given initially were for the progressive development of mankind until the job of filling the earth is completed. In the resurrection we shall be genderless, like the angels, there being no more need for reproduction. The bodies we now have were always meant to be replaced, perhaps in the same way angels can change their form and look like humans.

But the bodies we now have were rendered mortal after the Fall. And so we not only have to leave these bodies, but we have to have them die before putting on new ones. And only believers will put on new bodies that are viewed as consummating Eternal Life. Those who experience eternal death will rise up in bodies that do not obtain the spiritual life that the Bible calls "spiritual life" from God.

So, the terms "Eternal Life" and "Eternal Death" do not appear synonymous with eternal existence and eternal annihilation. Rather, they have to do with defining "life" as a spiritual essence by which we put on a New Nature associated with Christ and therefore live in the presence of God forever and ever.

 

[Phoneman777]

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

So many errors...
A "Woman" in New Testament prophecy represents the church, either a:

Pure Church (Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27)
Apostate Church (Ezekiel 16:15-58; Ezekiel 23:2-21; Hosea 2:5; Hosea 3:1; Revelation 14:4)

The "Wine" is false doctrine (Isaiah 29:9-13) with which she makes everyone drunk.

"Babylon" is "religious confusion" (Genesis 11:1-9) by them who attempt to go around Jesus to enter heaven.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

The colors of the Papacy are purple and scarlet - blue is left out because the Papacy has thought "to change times and laws" and teaches man-made laws.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

Now, this is just foolish. Everyone knows Rome is known has been known since the days of antiquity as "the seven hilled city" and in John's day when he received the revelation, it was ROME which "reigned over the kings of the Earth....NOT JERUSALEM.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

Of course there were prophets in the New Testament, as the Bible itself and church history confirms - but the gift of prophecy disappeared around the time the Papacy took over the church and began exchanging God's law for man's law, which the Bible says results in "no vision from the Lord" anytime "the law is no more". The Papacy slaughtered voth true prophet and saint to the tune of 50 - 150 Million saints.

It returned to the church when the law was rediscovered and Christians began keeping it once again, and ceased from the traditions of men.

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

Jerusalem NEVER reigned over the kings of the Earth - ever. However, as mentioned earlier the "city of seven hills" - Rome - most certainly did.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

The "great city" here mentioned is BABYLON - more precisely "spiritual Babylon" aka "the Papacy, apostate Protestantism, and demonic occult societies) - not Jerusalem. Why in the world would the wicked weep over the fall of Jerusalem?