Universalism is a dangerous doctrine

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You don't even read the Bible! You're LOST!

This was my belief for a time. I went to the bibles instead of Jesus. But the bibles come nowhere close to containing every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

Nothing is a substitute for God's gift, His Spirit. He delivers truth which He receives from Christ. Christ finds His truth in His Father.

So you may be able to see that I made the bibles an idol. And why I repented of this ungodly practice.

 

[Jack]

I studied the bibles for years and I was still a lost sheep. It was the Spirit of Christ Who drew me to Christ. He gave me ears to hear and eyes to see Christ as my Rescuer. He has continued to reveal more of Christ ever since. Do I read the bible to maintain our relationship? No. We just regularly communicate with each other. Pretty simply really.

The Spirit carries me along, leading me into Truth. Jesus and His words are truth.

Yeah, pretty simple indeed!

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

 

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Yeah, pretty simple indeed!

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

Yes, the Spirit does the speaking and expressing of truth. Some continue to substitute the Spirit with a book.

 

[Jack]

Yes, the Spirit does the speaking and expressing of truth. Some continue to substitute the Spirit with a book.

So you're hearing antiBible voices! Gee, that sound's just like "doctrines of demons" that Jesus warned you about.

 

[Lizbeth]

This is God's word. God communicated truth to me in a vision as I was being carried along by the Spirit of Truth. Obviously God hasn't stop leading us into ALL truth as truth is à never ending spring.

Does the bible tell us all the detailed truth about how the Creator created angels? What about what Jesus wrote on the ground when He challenged the Pharisees who wanted to stone a prostitute.

The teaching that every word that proceeds from the mouth of God is recorded in the bible or the scriptures, I'm confident, has come from Satan himself.

Satan probably wants us to not seek out ALL truth nor EVERY word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Satan may fear an uprising amoung his prisoners were they to have continual new truth made available to them.

But if people want to draw truth from the one means, the bible than go for it, it will benefit them, they will begin to be set free,

Yet for others of us who receive new additional truth from another means, direct from the Shepherd than I hope you are good with this.

It's not a competition. Does God's truth compete against itself? Is God divided? Does God speak with fork tongue? Yet what He communicates to you may be very different to what He does to me. The plan He has for you is different for me and therefore what He instructs each of His servants, each of His children will be different of course.

That the Lord speaks and engages with us outside of His written word does not contradict or negate or diminish His written word. And His written word says, "brethren believe not every spirit but try the spirits to see if they be of God". This is BECAUSE we may hear from the Spirit of God apart from His written word and we may hear from the devil too since he transforms himself into an angel of light and tries to deceive.

If we are hearing from the Lord and not another spirit, it will line up with or agree with His written word and not contradict it precisely because He is not divided against himself. The Spirit and the word agree. So - does what you saw or heard about the devil and his angels repenting and being restored to eternal life agree with what the written word teaches or does it contradict it?

 

[Lizbeth]

Yes, the Spirit does the speaking and expressing of truth. Some continue to substitute the Spirit with a book.

And some try to substitute the Living Word with the Spirit. There is no competition or division between the two, as you yourself have said. Jesus is the Word made flesh, the cornerstone of the foundation. His word is alive and active through the Spirit. Anything we hear from the Spirit, or think we are hearing from Him, needs to be tested as the scriptures teach. It needs to line up with the cornerstone, the plumbline of His word. "Test the spirits"...."test everything".

 

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And some try to substitute the Living Word with the Spirit. There is no competition or division between the two, as you yourself have said. Jesus is the Word made flesh, the cornerstone of the foundation. His word is alive and active through the Spirit. Anything we hear from the Spirit, or think we are hearing from Him, needs to be tested as the scriptures teach. It needs to line up with the cornerstone, the plumbline of His word. "Test the spirits"...."test everything".

When you use the term 'the Living Word', do you mean Jesus the Christ Himself?

And 'the Spirit' you mean the Spirit of Jesus Christ?

Just wanted to clarify we are refering to the same 2 Divine Beings here. You are saying Jesus and His Spirit are in agreement. That They will not contradict eachother. Then I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[Jack]

When you use the term 'the Living Word', do you mean Jesus the Christ Himself?

And 'the Spirit' you mean the Spirit of Jesus Christ?

Just wanted to clarify we are refering to the same 2 Divine Beings here. You are saying Jesus and His Spirit are in agreement. That They will not contradict eachother. Then I agree wholeheartedly.

Why are you in a Christian forum when you don't even read the Bible???

 

[One 2 question]

That the Lord speaks and engages with us outside of His written word does not contradict or negate or diminish His written word. And His written word says, "brethren believe not every spirit but try the spirits to see if they be of God". This is BECAUSE we may hear from the Spirit of God apart from His written word and we may hear from the devil too since he transforms himself into an angel of light and tries to deceive.

If we are hearing from the Lord and not another spirit, it will line up with or agree with His written word and not contradict it precisely because He is not divided against himself. The Spirit and the word agree. So - does what you saw or heard about the devil and his angels repenting and being restored to eternal life agree with what the written word teaches or does it contradict it?

You can make up your own mind on this.

The Spirit of Christ has made His thoughts very clear to me in this vision. Thanks be to my Creator that I've come to know His voice after a 40 year relationship with Him.

What about you? Do you hear His voice as He communicates directly with you? I don't mean through a third party, Paul, Moses, Peter, Jeremiah etc. Or the historical Jesus Who communicated to people 2000 years ago. I mean the resurrected glorified Jesus Who sits in heaven right now. Do you hear from Him personally and directly in your life? I hope so.

 

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Why are you in a Christian forum when you don't even read the Bible???

Because I'm a follower of Jesus and lead by His Spirit. I enjoy every word that comes from the mouth of God. Be it recorded or communicated directly to me. I have read the bible for decades and have benefited from God's expressed thoughts contained in them.

Though I haven't gone to the bibles for years now in order to hear Him, the Spirit has from time to time used some of these historical words of God to remind me of things.

Someone quoted this recently, those who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God. I certainly identify as one of God's children. Aren't God's children welcome in this forum?

 

[Jack]

Because I'm a follower of Jesus and lead by His Spirit. I enjoy every word that comes from the mouth of God. Be it recorded or communicated directly to me. I have read the bible for decades and have benefited from God's expressed thoughts contained in them.

Though I haven't gone to the bibles for years now in order to hear Him, the Spirit has from time to time used some of these historical words of God to remind me of things.

Someone quoted this recently, those who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God. I certainly identify as one of God's children. Aren't God's children welcome in this forum?

You already admitted that you forsook the Bible. You're not listening to the Holy Spirit! You're listening to another spirit.

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy,

 

[Lizbeth]

When you use the term 'the Living Word', do you mean Jesus the Christ Himself?

And 'the Spirit' you mean the Spirit of Jesus Christ?

Just wanted to clarify we are refering to the same 2 Divine Beings here. You are saying Jesus and His Spirit are in agreement. That They will not contradict eachother. Then I agree wholeheartedly.

No, by Living Word I meant the written word that is alive and active. Jesus is referred to as the Word made flesh. But we can't separate
the written word from the author of it.....He said what He meant and meant what He said and it is all true.....and will never pass away.

Yes, the Spirit of Christ, which is the Holy Spirit.

Jesus and His Spirit are in agreement and His written word came from them both and agrees with them both too.

 

[Jack]

No, by Living Word I meant the written word that is alive and active. Jesus is referred to as the Word made flesh. But we can't separate
the written word from the author of it.....He said what He meant and meant what He said and it is all true.....and will never pass away.

Yes, the Spirit of Christ, which is the Holy Spirit.

Jesus and His Spirit are in agreement and His written word came from them both and agrees with them both too.

Amen!!!

FWIF, O2Q admitted he forsook the Christian Bible.

 

[Lizbeth]

You can make up your own mind on this.

The Spirit of Christ has made His thoughts very clear to me in this vision. Thanks be to my Creator that I've come to know His voice after a 40 year relationship with Him.

What about you? Do you hear His voice as He communicates directly with you? I don't mean through a third party, Paul, Moses, Peter, Jeremiah etc. Or the historical Jesus Who communicated to people 2000 years ago. I mean the resurrected glorified Jesus Who sits in heaven right now. Do you hear from Him personally and directly in your life? I hope so.

Yes and He generally confirms it through scripture. When we are hearing from Him on important matters, it's a good idea to also seek and wait on Him for confirmation.

 

[Lizbeth]

Because I'm a follower of Jesus and lead by His Spirit. I enjoy every word that comes from the mouth of God. Be it recorded or communicated directly to me. I have read the bible for decades and have benefited from God's expressed thoughts contained in them.

Though I haven't gone to the bibles for years now in order to hear Him, the Spirit has from time to time used some of these historical words of God to remind me of things.

Someone quoted this recently, those who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God. I certainly identify as one of God's children. Aren't God's children welcome in this forum?

"Historical words of God"..........but His word will never pass away....it is full of timeless truths. And you know, the bible says not to go beyond what is written.......and to bring our thoughts CAPTIVE to the obedience of Christ. I think of His written word as being the sheepfold that safeguards His sheep...it has limits, walls. David humbly said that he does not concern himself with matters that are too great for him.

 

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" And you know, the bible says not to go beyond what is written.

Written when? And who was it that made this statement? What writtings were they referring to? Can you prove this?

Most of what was written down concerning what God has said and done never made it into the myriads of bibles let alone the scriptures.

I think of His written word as being the sheepfold that safeguards His sheep...it has limits, walls.

Is this your personal opinion, what you think, or what the Spirit revealed to you?

That's way too limited for me and many others. God has seen to it that His words, His expressed truths have continued to be given to His children way beyond what has been ever documented. The thousands of books are but a drop in the ocean. And then there's all the words that have come from the mouth of God that were never written down. His words are limitless, never resticted, never fenced in. Never a fence. Rather they set us free from the fences people and demons try to erect.

Stay within a defined restrictive framework of beliefs and practices as determined by a handful of books if you like.

Not for this sheep. I go out and find pasture way beyond any fences. I follow the Spirit of Jesus wherever He leads me. And He feeds me truth along the way, way beyond what was written tens, hundreds and thousands of years ago.

I feel for those who have erected fences, walls that limit them from going into the very presence of God. From accepting the volumes of new revelations that are in Christ for His people. There are pastures of new truths to enjoy. And how do I know? Because I'm out here benefiting from the words of our Creator without placing any limits on Him and His word. Its truly fantastic! I love Him. I love His words of life!

David humbly said that he does not concern himself with matters that are too great for him.

He may have made that decision for himself but I'm not David or Amos or Peter or Judas. In fact I have the mind of Christ. I have far greater access to truth than David. With thousands of years of further revelations that go way BEYOND what he knew or way way beyond the little he wrote down.

 

[Jack]

Satan sends his messengers to ATTACK our Christian Bible!

 

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Yes and He generally confirms it through scripture.

Maybe for you but not for me. Jesus confirms it by telling me directly. I don't have to look up what He said to someone else yesterday or 100 or thousands of years ago. He communicates with me. We have a personal direct relationship and way of communicating with eachother.

Why are you so scared and fearful of direct personal interaction with the Divine Lover of yours? Moses had such a personal relationship withhis God. So did Isaiah, Abraham, Jacob, Peter, Paul, Aquilla, Stephen and millions of others. Did they document all their intimate communications with their God? Of course not.

So I encourage you to come out from hiding behind the books and find further freedoms BEYOND! Our God and Creator is everywhere and can be found anywhere. Therefore His words of life can spring up from anywhere He is. And He definitely isn't bound within the pages of a book and not like a genie contained in a bottle.

When we are hearing from Him on important matters, it's a good idea to also seek and wait on Him for confirmation.

When my wife communicates with me she just tells me directly. She doesn't have to find letters or notes she wrote to others in the past to convey her thoughts to me, for me in the present.

Those notes and letters of the past to others don't confirm, define or clarify what she's thinking. Her direct words are more than sufficient. And if I'm not confident that I've understood her I simply ask her again and she will repeat it to me directly not through principles I've derived from studying her past writtings.

 

[Jack]

Jesus confirms it by telling me directly.

How do you know it's not the Devil? No wonder you said you forsook the Bible!

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 speaking lies in hypocrisy,

 

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How do you know it's not the Devil? No wonder you said you forsook the Bible!

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 speaking lies in hypocrisy,

Jack, don't you know Jesus on a personal level? Haven't you experienced a personal relationship with His Spirit? What about Father, don't you go boldly into His presence and have direct communication with our dear Father?

The way you speak, it seems like They are quite distant from you. It comes across that you know them through others who have had a personal relationship with them. Like you have gathered information about Them and Their ways but you don't walk with Them in the way.

They are very approachable. They actually encourage it in fact. My experience proves this truth to me. I don't require someone else to tell me, I have my own testimony which is precious.

So listening to Satan or demons. Nah. Not interested. I'll stick to listening to the voice of my Saviour and Eldest Brother, my Good Shepherd and Friend.