Up is down. Black is white. Grace precedes faith.

[Ronald Nolette]

you say no!
God
Jesus
Scripture say yes!

Ez 36:25-27
mk 16:16
Acts 8:36-38

Ezekiel doesn't count. That is OT. Mark is misunderstood and those verses added later on

Acts is the eunuch already believed and then got baptized.

So you say romans is not the Word of God, nor Ephesians nor Galatians, nor Hebrews, WOW!!!!!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Ephesians 2:8-9
King James Version

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Baptism is a work! We are saved first then commanded to be baptized .

 

[theefaith]

Read your bible and get back to me! I do not care what Rome says. What matters is what the Bible says and it says it is the blood of Jesus that removes sin!.

Matthew 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mark 14:24
And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Romans 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Ephesians 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Ephesians 2:13
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Colossians 1:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Hebrews 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hebrews 10:19
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,


Not once does it say "the merits of HIs blood." but it was Hios blood shed that purchased my full forgiveness and eternal salvation!

If he shed his blood where is it fundamentalist?

 

[theefaith]

Ezekiel doesn't count. That is OT. Mark is misunderstood and those verses added later on

Acts is the eunuch already believed and then got baptized.

So you say romans is not the Word of God, nor Ephesians nor Galatians, nor Hebrews, WOW!!!!!

All scripture is inspired

 

[theefaith]

Ephesians 2:8-9
King James Version

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Baptism is a work! We are saved first then commanded to be baptized .

eph 2 refers to redemption not justification or salvation

Faith and baptism
No where does it say baptism is a meaningless addition

not saved until the end matt 24:13

 

[Nancy]

come on nance you know better!

what the difference between repetitive prayer and repeating of a single prayer?

repeating a single prayer is not forbidden
Repeating yourself in a prayer is forbidden

christ Prayed three times! Let this cup pass from me!

meditation on the word in the mystery’s of our salvation is not something a saint would ever hate!

meditation on the passion and death, blood, wounds and holy face of a Jesus brings repentance and sanctification

if I be lifted up, (seen) I draw all men to myself Jn 12:32

gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

now want to try call no man father?

No, no "trying" anything here as I'm not looking to argue with you...it will go nowhere.

"meditation on the word in the mystery’s of our salvation is not something a saint would ever hate!"

Rosary beads have nothing to do with meditating on the very same words, over and over and over again. Yes I hated them, I was a child and understood nothing as the CC did not TEACH us, they just said do, and we did. They say, it is NOT a classroom. At least a priest from Tuscany Italy told on of our members here...she is no longer on much at all, she is surrounded by the CC. Why don't they teach BTW-did not Jesus tell the apostles to teach His words to everyone?
Either way brother, this convo is pretty much over, been there and done it way too many times on here. I don't enjoy arguing.
Do your thing and I will do mine.
God Bless

 

[Tong2020]

come on nance you know better!

what the difference between repetitive prayer and repeating of a single prayer?

repeating a single prayer is not forbidden
Repeating yourself in a prayer is forbidden

christ Prayed three times! Let this cup pass from me!

meditation on the word in the mystery’s of our salvation is not something a saint would ever hate!

meditation on the passion and death, blood, wounds and holy face of a Jesus brings repentance and sanctification

if I be lifted up, (seen) I draw all men to myself Jn 12:32

gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

now want to try call no man father?

<<<christ Prayed three times! Let this cup pass from me!>>>

When He was on earth, Jesus prayed to God, the Father in heaven. If Jesus were praying today, I think He would be praying only to the Father, not to anyone else.

The apostles prayed to the Father, but not to Mary. They prayed in the name of Jesus, and not in the name of any other, not in the name of Mary, nor in the name any of the apostles.

Jesus told and taught them to pray to the Father, not to anyone else. When some of the apostles died, like Peter, I know of no inspired scriptures that narrates that the remaining apostles or the church, prayed to Peter.

I only pray to the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ.

Tong
R3936

 

[theefaith]

No, no "trying" anything here as I'm not looking to argue with you...it will go nowhere.

"meditation on the word in the mystery’s of our salvation is not something a saint would ever hate!"

Rosary beads have nothing to do with meditating on the very same words, over and over and over again. Yes I hated them, I was a child and understood nothing as the CC did not TEACH us, they just said do, and we did. They say, it is NOT a classroom. At least a priest from Tuscany Italy told on of our members here...she is no longer on much at all, she is surrounded by the CC. Why don't they teach BTW-did not Jesus tell the apostles to teach His words to everyone?
Either way brother, this convo is pretty much over, been there and done it way too many times on here. I don't enjoy arguing.
Do your thing and I will do mine.
God Bless

sorry
I too was brought up in the modernist haze of the 60’s and 70’s

Our duty is to give a good example to our neighbors and pray for sinners

the great commission is only to the apostles the church continues the mission and ministry of Christ

 

[theefaith]

<<<christ Prayed three times! Let this cup pass from me!>>>

When He was on earth, Jesus prayed to God, the Father in heaven. If Jesus were praying today, I think He would be praying only to the Father, not to anyone else.

The apostles prayed to the Father, but not to Mary. They prayed in the name of Jesus, and not in the name of any other, not in the name of Mary, nor in the name any of the apostles.

Jesus told and taught them to pray to the Father, not to anyone else. When some of the apostles died, like Peter, I know of no inspired scriptures that narrates that the remaining apostles or the church, prayed to Peter.

I only pray to the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ.

Tong
R3936

the new covenant church is the communion of the saints
We can all pray for each other

 

[Tong2020]

sorry
I too was brought up in the modernist haze of the 60’s and 70’s

Our duty is to give a good example to our neighbors and pray for sinners

the great commission is only to the apostles the church continues the mission and ministry of Christ

Loving God and neighbor. That is the new nature of the new creature in Christ Jesus.

Tong
R3940

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
<<<christ Prayed three times! Let this cup pass from me!>>>

When He was on earth, Jesus prayed to God, the Father in heaven. If Jesus were praying today, I think He would be praying only to the Father, not to anyone else.

The apostles prayed to the Father, but not to Mary. They prayed in the name of Jesus, and not in the name of any other, not in the name of Mary, nor in the name any of the apostles.

Jesus told and taught them to pray to the Father, not to anyone else. When some of the apostles died, like Peter, I know of no inspired scriptures that narrates that the remaining apostles or the church, prayed to Peter.

I only pray to the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ.

the new covenant church is the communion of the saints
We can all pray for each other

Not the issue nor the point.

We can and are encouraged to pray for one another, but pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. Not pray for one another to any one else, and not pray in the name of any one else. So, let’s do that.

Tong
R3941

 

[Enoch111]

...faith is our response to grace - thus claiming that grace precedes faith...

There is absolutely no error is saying that grace precedes faith.

1. It was the grace of God that designed the plan of salvation from before the foundation of the world.
2. It was the grace of Christ which caused Him to become the Lamb of God from before the foundation of the world.
3. It was the grace of the triune Godhead which caused the eternal Word of God -- the Son of God -- to be born of a virgin after His supernatural conception. Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
4. It was the grace of Christ which caused Him to set His face as a flint to go to the cross.
5. And it is the grace of God which bringeth salvation to all men through the Gospel.

So it seems that you are the one who is all confused about the grace of God.

 

[Nancy]

sorry
I too was brought up in the modernist haze of the 60’s and 70’s

Our duty is to give a good example to our neighbors and pray for sinners

the great commission is only to the apostles the church continues the mission and ministry of Christ

No need to be sorry bro, it's all good. Setting a good example for out neighbors and praying for the lost are commendable things to do.
"the church continues the mission and ministry of Christ"

We sure can agree on those things :)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

If he shed his blood where is it fundamentalist?

If you will not accept clear absolute bible statements, why should I expect you to believe how Jesus fulfilled the typology of high priest?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

All scripture is inspired

Yes all Scripture is equally inspired, but not all scripture is equally applicable to all people. Do you follow all 613 Mosaic laws? they are also just as insppired as the Ezekiel passage you cited? If not why not? It is inspired.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

eph 2 refers to redemption not justification or salvation

Faith and baptism
No where does it say baptism is a meaningless addition

not saved until the end matt 24:13

Now you are putting wordsa in my mouth. I never said Baptism is a meaningless addition.

No we are saved now! that is clear. I will show you one passage which I am sure because of your indoctriniation you will reject.

John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

This is not future tense but present tense- meaning we are given eternal life NOW!

Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

this is the aorist- which means it is an action that has been accomplished

we are saved now!

We are the elect now!

We have been made the children of God noow!

Because of His blood!

We are kept now!
We are sealed until the day of redemption now!
We are justified now!
We are glorified now!
We have been made perfect now!

This is all Gods Word. who do you wish to believe, gods Word or the word of men?

 

[theefaith]

Not the issue nor the point.

We can and are encouraged to pray for one another, but pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. Not pray for one another to any one else, and not pray in the name of any one else. So, let’s do that.

Tong
R3941

Does the Bible say we should approach the saints with our prayers? Yes, in two places. In Revelation 5:8 John saw the Lamb, Christ Jesus, on a throne in the midst of four beasts and 24 elders. When the Lamb took the book with the seven seals, the 24 elders fell down before the Lamb in worship, “each one having a harp and golden bowls of incenses, which are the prayers of the saints.”

Similarly, in Revelation 8:3-4 we are told that something similar happened when the Lamb opened the seventh seal of the book: “Another angel came and stood on the altar, having a golden censer, and many incenses were given to him, in order that he will give it with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne. And the smoke of the incenses went up with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God.”

 

[Tong2020]

Does the Bible say we should approach the saints with our prayers? Yes, in two places. In Revelation 5:8 John saw the Lamb, Christ Jesus, on a throne in the midst of four beasts and 24 elders. When the Lamb took the book with the seven seals, the 24 elders fell down before the Lamb in worship, “each one having a harp and golden bowls of incenses, which are the prayers of the saints.”

Similarly, in Revelation 8:3-4 we are told that something similar happened when the Lamb opened the seventh seal of the book: “Another angel came and stood on the altar, having a golden censer, and many incenses were given to him, in order that he will give it with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne. And the smoke of the incenses went up with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God.”

Perhaps you’d like to explain those scriptures?

Tong
R3952

 

[theefaith]

Now you are putting wordsa in my mouth. I never said Baptism is a meaningless addition.

No we are saved now! that is clear. I will show you one passage which I am sure because of your indoctriniation you will reject.

John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

This is not future tense but present tense- meaning we are given eternal life NOW!

Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

this is the aorist- which means it is an action that has been accomplished

we are saved now!

We are the elect now!

We have been made the children of God noow!

Because of His blood!

We are kept now!
We are sealed until the day of redemption now!
We are justified now!
We are glorified now!
We have been made perfect now!

This is all Gods Word. who do you wish to believe, gods Word or the word of men?

Not saved matt 24:13

 

[theefaith]

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.