WAKE UP!!! Church pastors we are living in the days of the very near rapture!

[WPM]

You better watch and be ready as the Master said. Listening to this other nonsense is foolishness for the blind.

When Pretribbers cannot attack an alternative view they attack the messenger. That is a sure sign of frustration and defeat. We all know it is not in the Bible, including you. That is why you cannot show it in the Book.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Pretrib is everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, all through the Bible.

Then you should have no problem debunking the opposition by quoting all those verses…

Where are they?

 

[WPM]

Are you THAT blind? I showed you 4 coming of Jesus when you only see one. I'll just give you one to explain to keep it simple. If Jesus comes only once, why can't you explain this coming when He comes and redeems the 144,000 from the earth??????????????

Rev 14
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

The 144,000 are the “firstfruits” (Revelation 14:4) of God redeemed among men, not the ‘last-fruits’ as Pretribbers suggest. The 144,000 could likely be a symbolic representation of those Jews that came to the faith during the first century. These may be the Jews that began the spread of the Gospel, throughout Israel and then to the nations. They are now in heaven.

 

[Patrick1966]

The burden of truth is with you. For the millionth time: where in Scripture teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by seven-year tribulation, followed by a third coming of the Lord? Also, where is your rapture in Revelation?

Stop avoiding. It seems like you are in love with a doctrine and are so besotted with it that you cannot even support it with hard Scripture.

One needs humility to see the truth. The haughty and proud are often too stubborn and hardheaded to see it.

 

[The Light]

The 144,000 are the “firstfruits” (Revelation 14:4) of God redeemed among men, not the ‘last-fruits’ as Pretribbers suggest.

You have no clue. They are the first fruits of the second harvest which is the second rapture that occurs before the wrath of God immediately after the tribulaiton.

The 144,000 could likely be a symbolic representation of those Jews that came to the faith during the first century. These may be the Jews that began the spread of the Gospel, throughout Israel and then to the nations. They are now in heaven.

You lack understanding. The time draws very, very short and you are unaware of the master soon arrival.

 

[WPM]

You have no clue. They are the first fruits of the second harvest which is the second rapture that occurs before the wrath of God immediately after the tribulaiton.


You lack understanding. The time draws very, very short and you are unaware of the master soon arrival.

Stop your infantile name-calling. It is getting old.

For the millionth time: where in Scripture teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by seven-year tribulation, followed by a third coming of the Lord? Also, where is your rapture in Revelation?

 

[GISMYS_7]

The blind cannot see and the blinded will not see!!

 

[WPM]

The blind cannot see and the blinded will not see!!

This sums up Pretrib: no Scripture to support their error, only childish insults and bitterness against anyone who dares to disagree with their Jesuit teaching. It must be so frustrating holding to a doctrine that is not in the Bible. You do not even have one proof-text.

For the millionth time: where in Scripture teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by seven-year tribulation, followed by a third coming of the Lord? Also, where is your rapture in Revelation?

 

[Gottservant]

Peace. Love. Understanding.

The joy of tribulation is that God does not allow it to continue.

 

[Timtofly]

Amen!

But this happens after the Antichrist comes.

Does it? What proof do you have?

 

[Timtofly]

We all know Pretribbers have no Scripture for their theology. It is a man-made doctrine that has no foundation in God's Book. Pretrib has been absolutely demolished over this past week. It has no where to run and nothing to bring to the table apart from insults and avoidance.

This is why many of us have abandoned this error.

We all know Amil change Scripture so the Second Coming is after every thing.

That is why all should abandon Amil. Stop changing Scripture to fit your paradigm. At least the poster is quoting Scripture.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Does it? What proof do you have?

We are:

“…waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:” (1 Corinthians 1:7)

And when Jesus comes that Wicked (Antichrist) is here:

“…that Wicked… whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming” (2 Thessalonians 2:8)

Right before Jesus destroys the Antichrist this happens:

“…the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

 

[Timtofly]

The 144,000 are the “firstfruits” (Revelation 14:4) of God redeemed among men, not the ‘last-fruits’ as Pretribbers suggest. The 144,000 could likely be a symbolic representation of those Jews that came to the faith during the first century. These may be the Jews that began the spread of the Gospel, throughout Israel and then to the nations. They are now in heaven.

Maybe, but no Scriptural proof that you ask of others?

The 144k are sealed between the 6th and 7th Seals, just as Scripture declares.

They are the Second Coming disciples just like the original 12.

You seem to want to change the chronological order of Revelation to fit your own interpretation. That is not letting Scripture interpret Scripture. Telling people only your view is the correct order, when people can read on their own, Scripture is not in the order you have given, is what you are accusing others of.

No one has offered a good reason to change up the chronological order John gives in Revelation. So all sides who have decided to change that, are in error. Amil included with their recapitulation theory. Just a theory until it happens that way. So far history has not happened to prove that theory.

 

[Timtofly]

We are:

“…waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:” (1 Corinthians 1:7)

And when Jesus comes that Wicked (Antichrist) is here:

“…that Wicked… whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming” (2 Thessalonians 2:8)

Right before Jesus destroys the Antichrist this happens:

“…the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

That "wicked" will be destroyed at Armageddon. Armageddon is not the Second Coming.


“…the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

This happens in the 6th Seal, before the 7th Seal, and all Trumpets.

Even WPM does not accept a tribulation with an AC prior to the Second Coming. Or he would stop posting this:

For the millionth time: where in Scripture teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by seven-year tribulation, followed by a third coming of the Lord? Also, where is your rapture in Revelation?

There is no AC prior to the Second Coming in Revelation 6.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

There is no AC prior to the Second Coming in Revelation 6.

And there are no scriptures from you to prove otherwise.

Go and read your corrupt study books.

I don’t got time for another proud one lead away from the pure word of God.

 

[strepho]

The rapture theory is false doctrine, Ezekiel chapter 13 to document. The whole world will have big party when big daddy arrives 6th trump, antichrist. After the 5 month period, revelation chapter 9:5. The party is over. At 7th trump, Jesus returns to Jerusalem. They're be weeping and gnashing of teeth for many people. They were lied to by their shepherds revelation chapter 20, the spirituality dead will be taught during millennium. I wont further go into this. Study sound doctrine.

 

[Timtofly]

And there are no scriptures from you to prove otherwise.

Go and read your corrupt study books.

I don’t got time for another proud one lead away from the pure word of God.

Where is your Scripture in reply? I was quoting the same verses you did. Have you not read Revelation 6?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Where is your Scripture in reply? I was quoting the same verses you did. Have you not read Revelation 6?

 

[ewq1938]

The rapture theory is false doctrine, Ezekiel chapter 13 to document.

That chapter has never had anything to do with the rapture. This is just old, incorrect Shepherd's chapel doctrine.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

WAKE UP!!! Church pastors we are living in the days of the very near rapture and many of you say nothing and many of your church members are not ready and will be left behind to try to live in the days of the great tribulation under anti-Christ rure and their blood will be on your hands!!!

Well all believers will be raptured! Even those who reject the rapture.

Also and this is most important, Pastors are assigned by god to mature the flock not just hype up last days stuff. By teaching people to live as maturing saints, they are preparing their flocks for any hardships the future holds!