Was judas Iscariot used by Satan ??

[Big Boy Johnson]

Comón Big Boy - don't disappoint - give us a story? You love telling them!

Read the Gospels and tell me if you think Jesus is a sissy!

Christians believe God's Word, tares do not and they go to hell

I use the mighty Name of Jesus Christ and I command the devil to leave and he does!

The devil lives in your head rent free and we know that because you're claiming God is a liar.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Read the Gospels and tell me if you think Jesus is a sissy!

Christians believe God's Word, tares do not and they go to hell

I use the mighty Name of Jesus Christ and I command the devil to leave and he does!

The devil lives in your head rent free and we know that because you're claiming God is a liar.

It’s not about what I think, Big Boy, what matters is that you’ve got plenty of made-up stories about your creature, but not a single real one to back them up.

Everyone knows it, even if they won’t admit it.

What’s even more ironic is that you claim to speak in the name of the Lord, yet you have no real understanding of how, or why this evil being departs. And you assume everyone shares the power you claim to have?

I’d expect you to have countless stories of people being devoured due to their lack of faith. Yet in all your responses, how many of those stories have you told?

Vanishing or blood trail...which is it?

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Big Boy Johnson

"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour."

Let's assume your foolish belief for a moment.

1. Does he devour non-believers or is he only interested in believers?
2. When they are devoured where do they go?
3. Once in this place can they get out?
4. When you have encountered this creature do you know when it has left you?
5. Why doesn't it keep coming back or does it give up easily?

I'll let you in on a secret Big Boy...but don't tell anyone!

The Apostle Paul had a similar encounter with a roaring lion in 2 Timothy 4:17, but this lion was not an evil supernatural being, but Caesar's tribunal, (vs. 16, 17)

You don't have to be a blunt object...you can be sharpened!!

 

[Hiddenthings]

1 Peter 5:8"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour."

For the astute of mind lets make some observations!

The passage does not explicitly identify the devil as a rebel angel. While it compares the devil to a roaring lion, it's worth noting that lion-like traits are also attributed to humans elsewhere in Scripture, for example, in Psalm 22:12–13, Psalm 57:4, and Proverbs 28:15, rather than to angels.

The context to this section of Scripture is suffering under trails and notable are these words, "because God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble 1 Pe 5:5.

His audience understands he is speaking about the authorities who are oppressing them for the beliefs and manner of life.

These people are devils because they are falsely accusing them and causing them great unrest.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The Greek word "antidikos," translated as "adversary," refers to a legal opponent or adversary in a court of law. Similarly, the word "diabolos," translated as "devil," means an accuser or slanderer. Therefore, the imagery of the "roaring lion" represents a legal adversary who brings malicious accusations. This figure is best understood as the Roman magistracy. The well-documented persecutions of the church under emperors like Nero and Diocletian support this interpretation.

The problem with many of you in this thread is that you're unwilling to read the verse in its proper context—both scripturally and historically. Instead, you're more interested in promoting mythological ideas than honestly engaging with the Word.

Another issue is that you have no origin story and no supporting example from Peter’s letters that demonstrates your understanding. As a result, these points go unanswered, because you simply have no counter or rebuttal to offer.

It's as if you're all deaf, blind, and mute, trapped within your own man-made exegesis.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Now, imagine having read the last few posts and still clinging to this false interpretation.

If you're going to argue that the devil was truly behind the persecution, then the burden of proof is on you, there must be clear evidence from the text itself to support that claim.

Simply reading your own meaning into a word doesn't make it true. It might reflect your personal interpretation, but it's meaningless if it doesn't align with the intent of the original writer.

 

[David Lamb]

This makes me laugh that Christians think there is a lion going around devouring people (knee slapper!). Such delusion is so strong in those who oppose themselves!
...when was the last time you saw a person get taken Big Boy

No they don't think there is a lion going around devouring people. They believe what Peter wrote, that the devil goes about like a roaring lion.

 

[Hiddenthings]

No they don't think there is a lion going around devouring people. They believe what Peter wrote, that the devil goes about like a roaring lion.

They don't know what they think David and neither do you. You might think you do but the evidence suggests you are in the dark on this subject.

And why are you misrepresenting the text?

Be sober and alert. Your enemy the devil, like a roaring lion, is on the prowl looking for someone to devour. 1 Pe 5:8.

If Peter has his mind in Psalm 22:13 how does this affect your understanding of "false accuser"

 

[David Lamb]

They don't know what they think David and neither do you. You might think you do but the evidence suggests you are in the dark on this subject.

And why are you misrepresenting the text?

Be sober and alert. Your enemy the devil, like a roaring lion, is on the prowl looking for someone to devour. 1 Pe 5:8.

If Peter has his mind in Psalm 22:13 how does this affect your understanding of "false accuser"

Sorry but I still say the same thing, that I have never come across a Christian who believes that there is an actual lion, with mane and claws, and sharp teeth going around devouring people. I know I don't believe that. However, I do believe that Peter teaches, that in the same way as a lion searches for its prey, so Satan goes around on the look-out for Christians to "devour". How did I misrepresent the text? The verse says:

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.” (1Pe 5:8 NKJV)

That's slightly different to the translation you quoted, but that doesn't make it misrepresentation. You then ask about my understanding of "false accuser." I am not sure what you mean. The word "accuser" occurs twice in the NKJV, in neither place with the adjective "False":

“Set a wicked man over him, And let an accuser stand at his right hand.” (Ps 109:6 NKJV)

“Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.” (Re 12:10 NKJV)

Obviously the devil is a false accuser when he seeks to accuse those who have been given Christ's righteousness. As for Psalm 22:13, it says:

“They gape at Me with their mouths, Like a raging and roaring lion.” (Ps 22:13 NKJV)

Looking at the context, it is looking forward to the Saviour on the cross. Just a few verses further on, for example, we read:

“They divide My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots.” (Ps 22:18 NKJV)

The New Testament confirms that this is about Jesus on the cross:

“They said therefore among themselves, "Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be," that the Scripture might be fulfilled which says: "They divided My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots." Therefore the soldiers did these things.” (Joh 19:24 NKJV)

 

[Hiddenthings]

Sorry but I still say the same thing, that I have never come across a Christian who believes that there is an actual lion, with mane and claws, and sharp teeth going around devouring people.

I didn't say it's was a literal Lion!

Christians here believe your creature devours people at will like a lion (metaphor)!

I know I don't believe that.

You must because that is was it states!

However, I do believe that Peter teaches, that in the same way as a lion searches for its prey, so Satan goes around on the look-out for Christians to "devour". How did I misrepresent the text? The verse says:

Explain how you believe the devil devours people.


You have misrepresented the text by suggesting that people are not actually devoured.

If you want to insist on your interpretation of the word "devil" while downplaying the aspect of devouring, that’s your choice, but it does misrepresent what the text actually says.

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.” (1Pe 5:8 NKJV)

That's slightly different to the translation you quoted, but that doesn't make it misrepresentation. You then ask about my understanding of "false accuser." I am not sure what you mean. The word "accuser" occurs twice in the NKJV, in neither place with the adjective "False":

I'm not certain you have looked into this subject David -

“Set a wicked man over him, And let an accuser stand at his right hand.” (Ps 109:6 NKJV)

“Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.” (Re 12:10 NKJV)

Who are the accuser of the brethren?

The reference in 1 Peter 5:8 is to paganism, which functioned as the political "devil" a false accuser that had cast many Christians into prison (as seen in Revelation 2:10). These persecutions occurred in the sight of God (as the phrase is more accurately rendered). Partial relief from this oppression came with the rise of Constantine to power

David, you need to know your history and the treatment of the early believers. You are away with the fairies thinking this is all attributed to a sinister dark agent!

There is plenty of that already in the earth!

Obviously the devil is a false accuser when he seeks to accuse those who have been given Christ's righteousness. As for Psalm 22:13, it says:

“They gape at Me with their mouths, Like a raging and roaring lion.” (Ps 22:13 NKJV)

There is no such being in the OT so who is the Psalmist speaking to in Ps 22:13?

They* open their mouths to devour me like a roaring lion that rips its prey.

*They are the Psalmists enemies not a make-believe creature of darkness.

Looking at the context, it is looking forward to the Saviour on the cross. Just a few verses further on, for example, we read:

“They divide My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots.” (Ps 22:18 NKJV)

The New Testament confirms that this is about Jesus on the cross:

“They said therefore among themselves, "Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be," that the Scripture might be fulfilled which says: "They divided My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots." Therefore the soldiers did these things.” (Joh 19:24 NKJV)

So, by your own reasoning, it's unlikely that Peter was referring to a supernatural evil being. It's far more consistent to understand "the devil" as those enemies of Christ who were actively persecuting believers.

Now ask yourself, what makes more sense?

 

[David Lamb]

I didn't say it's was a literal Lion!

In that case, I am sorry for misunderstanding.

Christians here believe your creature devours people at will like a lion (metaphor)!

Over and over again the bible describes the devil/Satan in ways that show he is a created being.

You must because that is was it states!

What I meant (when I thought that you were saying that Christians believe the devil to be a literal lion) was that I don;t believe that he is.

Explain how you believe the devil devours people.

He seeks to entangle them in sin/disobedience of God, and to draw them away from Christ.

You have misrepresented the text by suggesting that people are not actually devoured.

If you want to insist on your interpretation of the word "devil" while downplaying the aspect of devouring, that’s your choice, but it does misrepresent what the text actually says.



I'm not certain you have looked into this subject David -

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Who are the accuser of the brethren?

The reference in 1 Peter 5:8 is to paganism, which functioned as the political "devil" a false accuser that had cast many Christians into prison (as seen in Revelation 2:10). These persecutions occurred in the sight of God (as the phrase is more accurately rendered). Partial relief from this oppression came with the rise of Constantine to power

David, you need to know your history and the treatment of the early believers. You are away with the fairies thinking this is all attributed to a sinister dark agent!

There is plenty of that already in the earth!



There is no such being in the OT so who is the Psalmist speaking to in Ps 22:13?

They* open their mouths to devour me like a roaring lion that rips its prey.

*They are the Psalmists enemies not a make-believe creature of darkness.


So, by your own reasoning, it's unlikely that Peter was referring to a supernatural evil being. It's far more consistent to understand "the devil" as those enemies of Christ who were actively persecuting believers.

Unless they were cannibals, how would enemies of Christ actually devour Christians? I do not believe that it is far more consistent to understand "the devil" as those enemies of Christ who were actively persecuting believers. There are plenty of places where we read about the devil where the word cannot refer to human enemies of Christ. The temptation of Jesus in the wilderness for example.

Now ask yourself, what makes more sense?

Taking the whole of scripture and its references to Satan/the devil, it makes far more sense to believe that he is a supernatural enemy of God.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Ironically, your quick look at Psalm 22 has given you insight into Peter’s mindset as he prepared the disciples for the persecution that was approaching.

Do you know how many times the word "false accuser" is used in Peter's Epistles?

Once!

Is there anywhere in his letters that defines such a being as you one you believe?

Not once