Was Nelson Mandela a Christian? Yes or No

[Dodo_David]

It has been speculated that the late Nelson Mandela was religious but not a Christian.

So, I want to ask this websites participants if they believe that Nelson Mandela was a Christian.

 

[aspen]

He claimed to be a Methodist

 

[Webers_Home]

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I voted YES because Webster's defines a Christian as: somebody who
professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Webster's definition doesn't say that somebody has to actually believe
Christ's teachings to be a Christian: no; the definition says they only have to
"profess" belief in his teachings in order to wear the label. Of course there
are many ways to interpret the Lord's teachings but that's another matter.

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[Dodo_David]

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I voted YES because Webster's defines a Christian as: somebody who
professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Webster's definition doesn't say that somebody has to actually believe
Christ's teachings to be a Christian: no; the definition says they only have to
"profess" belief in his teachings in order to wear the label. Of course there
are many ways to interpret the Lord's teachings but that's another matter.

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According to the way that you define who is a Christian, was Nelson Mandela a Christian?

 

[Webers_Home]

According to the way that you define who is a Christian, was Nelson Mandela a Christian?

Webster's is the way I myself define who is a Christian. Remember, we're only
defining Mandela's label rather than defining his destiny.

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[Dodo_David]

Webster's is the way I myself define who is a Christian. Remember, we're only
defining Mandela's label rather than defining his destiny.

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I did not ask if Nelson Mandela was labeled a Christian. I asked if he was a Christian.

A Christian will go to Heaven upon dying. So, is Nelson Mandela going to Heaven or going to Hell?

 

[Suhar]

Who cares? We may not know that he was or was not Christian but he was definitely a mass murdering Communist.

Real “demigod” Nelson Mandela

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/15888-saint-mandela-not-so-fast

http://victoriajackson.com/10218/nelson-mandela-communist-terrorist-murderer

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/supporters-of-us-senator_b_4399368.html

 

[Webers_Home]

I did not ask if Nelson Mandela was labeled a Christian. I asked if he was a Christian.

I am confident that Mr. Mandela was a Christian.

A Christian will go to Heaven upon dying.

According to the man who ought to know: not all Christians go to
heaven.

†. Matt 7:22-23 . . Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Master, have we
not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them: I
never knew you. Depart from me, you that work iniquity.

That passage doesn't target Atheists, nor Hindus, nor Buddhists, nor
Muslims. No, it targets people professing to have prophesied in "thy name"
and to have exorcised demons in "thy name" and to have done many
wonderful works in "thy name". In other words: the Lord's statement targets
Christians; viz: people professing to be his followers-- and not just the
average rank and file pew warmer either; but the serious Christians: the
ones who preach amazing sermons, cast out demons, build churches and
schools, and operate charities like orphanages, rescue missions, and hostels,
etc.

So, is Nelson Mandela going to Heaven or going to Hell?

I vote for Hell.


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[Dodo_David]

According to the man who ought to know: not all Christians go to
heaven.

†. Matt 7:22-23 . . Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Master, have we
not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them: I
never knew you. Depart from me, you that work iniquity.

That passage doesn't target Atheists, nor Hindus, nor Buddhists, nor
Muslims. No, it targets people professing to have prophesied in "thy name"
and to have exorcised demons in "thy name" and to have done many
wonderful works in "thy name". In other words: the Lord's statement targets
Christians; viz: people professing to be his followers-- and not just the
average rank and file pew warmer either; but the serious Christians: the
ones who preach amazing sermons, cast out demons, build churches and
schools, and operate charities like orphanages, rescue missions, and hostels,
etc.

So, is Nelson Mandela going to Heaven or going to Hell?

I vote for Hell.


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Why?

 

[Webers_Home]

Who cares? We may not know that he was or was not Christian but he was definitely a mass murdering Communist.

Real “demigod” Nelson Mandela

Those kinds of crimes aren't enough to stop people from getting into heaven.

†. Matt 12:31 . . I say unto you: All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be
forgiven unto men


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[KingJ]

Nobody knows for sure if He is in heaven. But we can make an educated guess. What unsaved person in his shoes would do what he did when he was released? He did not seek money like current president Zuma. He did not seek revenge like Mugabe. He forgave. What he did before prison or his bad choice in woman after is irrelevant. What's relevant is that he died as a gentle and lowly in heart man. Only one role model comes to mind Matt 11:29.

 

[Angelina]

Who cares? We may not know that he was or was not Christian but he was definitely a mass murdering Communist.

Real “demigod” Nelson Mandela

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/15888-saint-mandela-not-so-fast

http://victoriajackson.com/10218/nelson-mandela-communist-terrorist-murderer

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/supporters-of-us-senator_b_4399368.html

The same could be said about Joshua... he was called by God to destroy all the nations around him. God uses whomever he chooses to fulfill his plan....who are we to say that Nelson Mandela was not chosen to fulfill God's plan... :huh:

 

[rockytopva]

He was a Methodist. Any follower of John Wesley can't be all that bad!

 

[Suhar]

The same could be said about Joshua... he was called by God to destroy all the nations around him. God uses whomever he chooses to fulfill his plan....who are we to say that Nelson Mandela was not chosen to fulfill God's plan... :huh:

There is a slight difference between being called by God and called by very "godly" nation called USSR which bankrolled communists back then. Slight difference not appreciated by some.

God used very evil and wicked people to come and punish Israel for not following Him. It did not make those kings any less evil end wicked because God made them do it.

 

[Webers_Home]

Why?

Well; in a nutshell, it's necessary to believe in Jesus in order to obtain his
protection from the wrath of God. Now, when I say "believe in" I'm talking
about trusting him with your life; like when passengers board an airplane;
they're trusting the plane, the pilots, the ground crews, the air traffic
controllers, and the mechanics who maintain the planes to get them to their
destination safe and sound. Well; the air travel system of course isn't 110%
reliable. People get killed by the system all the time due to human error,
weather, and mechanical failures. So in reality, nobody really believes in the
air travel system. Yes; we put our lives in its hands; but in the back of our
minds we dread the worst because the evening news assures us that the
worst is always a possibility on every flight.

Well; what I just described was pretty much the depth of Mr. Mandela's
belief. In other words: it was Mandela's personal conviction that Jesus
couldn't be 110% trusted with the safety of his sheep; not even the
safety of the sheep that Jesus' Father entrusts to his care. When people
regard Jesus as no more worthy of their 110% trust than an airline, they
are actually casting a vote of no-confidence in his reliability as a shepherd:
and that's a fatal error.

†. John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who
does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on
him.

†. John 3:18 . .Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever
disbelieves stands condemned already.

Bottom line is: Mr. Mandela believed many things about Jesus; but he didn't
really believe in Jesus. So then, according to the two passages above, Madiba
was dead on the hoof; viz: condemned to hell even before he passed away.

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[horsecamp]

Were saved by Gods Grace through faith in Jesus ..

God says he will not snuff out even a smoldering wick of saving faith he gave some one in Jesus .


God is patient with every one not wanting even one person to be lost.


if were going to save our selves than God demands we be as perfect as he is perfect ..Matthew 5;48

now if were going to let God save us than we must understand God saves the ungodly through faith in Jesus
those who dont deserve to be saved ..


its kinda crazy of any one to even try to play at being God ------------------------ His way our not our ways..
He saves the Ungodly.

 

[Angelina]

There is a slight difference between being called by God and called by very "godly" nation called USSR which bankrolled communists back then. Slight difference not appreciated by some.

Nelson Mandela was a communist? :huh: yeah right..

 

[Dodo_David]

In other words: it was Mandela's personal conviction that Jesus
couldn't be 110% trusted with the safety of his sheep; not even the
safety of the sheep that Jesus' Father entrusts to his care.

What evidence do you have that your above-quoted claim is true?

 

[horsecamp]

TAKEN FROM THIS WE BELIEVE .--ON CHURCH AND MINISTRY

SEE REST http://www.wels.net/what-we-believe/statements-beliefs/this-we-believe/church-and-ministry


2. We believe that this holy Christian church is a reality, although it is not an external, visible organization. Because "man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart" (1 Samuel 16:7), only the Lord knows "those who are his" (2 Timothy 2:19). The members of the holy Christian church are known only to God; we cannot distinguish between true believers and hypocrites. The holy Christian church is therefore invisible and cannot be identified with any one church body or with the total membership of all church bodies.

 

[Webers_Home]

What evidence do you have that your above-quoted claim is true?

I'm sorry Dave; but the information you seek is forbidden on Christianity
Board. I tried posting it twice before and got in trouble over it: remember?

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