Was Nelson Mandela a Christian? Yes or No

[Dodo_David]

In other words: it was Mandela's personal conviction that Jesus
couldn't be 110% trusted with the safety of his sheep; not even the
safety of the sheep that Jesus' Father entrusts to his care.

What evidence do you have that your above-quoted claim is true?

I'm sorry Dave; but the information you seek is forbidden on Christianity
Board. I tried posting it twice before and got in trouble over it: remember?

Buen Camino
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What is forbidden on this website are attacks on people and on branches of the universal Church.

For example, suppose that someone claimed that others are going to Hell because they are Methodists. If such a claim were made, then it would be a violation of site rules.

For another example, suppose that someone claimed that others are going to Hell if they reject the controversial doctrine of "Once Saved, Always Saved". If such a claim were made, then it would be a violation of site rules.

As long as one isn't violating this website's rules by attacking people and branches of the universal Church (as illustrated in the above examples), one should have no problem explaining why one believes that Nelson Mandela is going to Hell.

So, what is the evidence that "it was Mandela's personal conviction that Jesus couldn't be 110% trusted with the safety of his sheep; not even the safety of the sheep that Jesus' Father entrusts to his care"?

 

[Webers_Home]

So, what is the evidence that "it was Mandela's personal conviction that Jesus
couldn't be 110% trusted with the safety of his sheep; not even the safety of
the sheep that Jesus' Father entrusts to his care"?

See post #20

Nelson Mandela was a communist?

According to Wikipedia, Mr. Mandela was at one time a member of the South
African Communist Party and sat on its Central Committee.

Buen Camino
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[Suhar]

Nelson Mandela was a communist? :huh: yeah right..

You did not read any of the links I posted? Not only a Communist but a founder and head of terrorist organization which killed thousands.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

I did not ask if Nelson Mandela was labeled a Christian. I asked if he was a Christian.

A Christian will go to Heaven upon dying. So, is Nelson Mandela going to Heaven or going to Hell?

My thoughts exactly

Years ago I had heard he was a Christian

Then when he was released from Jail he appeared on the Oprah Winfrey show and went all mushy about God and Jesus and stated that all the religions of the world lead to the same god

I noticed that Oprah has gone the same way .... at one time she proclaimed christianity but now pretty much says the same as Mandella

I have not watched her show for years so maybe she has clarified that along the way.

I really hoped he is (was) Christian , but I voted "unsure"

 

[Webers_Home]

Then when he was released from Jail he appeared on the Oprah Winfrey show and went
all mushy about God and Jesus and stated that all the religions of the world lead to the
same god

It's widely believed by a number of people that heaven is sort of like the
peak of a high mountain. All around the periphery of the mountain are the
gates to numerous roads all leading towards the top. In other words: no
matter which road you take; the destination is the same.

It is one of the rather bigoted aspects of Christianity that though there are
many roads going towards the top: only one actually gets there; and according
to Jesus; relatively few find it, let alone actually travel it.

†. John 14:1-7 . . In my Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were
not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go
and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you to myself;
that where I am, there you may be also. And you know the way where I am
going. Thomas said to him: Master; we do not know where you are going,
how do we know the way? Jesus said to him: I am the way, and the truth,
and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through me.

Just out of curiosity I added up the approximate number of adherents in
religions other than Christianity using data from 2005 and came up with
something on the order of 4,142,700,000 people that were then on roads
that go towards the top but don't get there. That was roughly 64% of the
2005 world population; which seems reasonable seeing as how the Lord
testified at Luke 13:22-24, Matt 7:13-14, and Matt 22:14 that hell is getting
more people than heaven.

Buen Camino
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[Dodo_David]

So, what is the evidence that "it was Mandela's personal conviction that Jesus
couldn't be 110% trusted with the safety of his sheep; not even the safety of
the sheep that Jesus' Father entrusts to his care"?

See post #20

OK. I'll make things easier for you by asking another question.
Do you believe that a person must believe the doctrine "Once saved always saved" in order to go to Heaven?

Nelson Mandela was a communist? :huh: yeah right..

According to Wikipedia, Mr. Mandela was at one time a member of the South
African Communist Party and sat on its Central Committee.

Buen Camino
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According to the book of Acts, the Apostle Paul was at one time a Pharisee who persecuted believers in Messiah Jesus.

 

[Levi]

I don't think we're supposed to ask if another is going to heaven or hell, didn't Paul say as much? I know there is scripture but am having a difficult time finding it.

I know people hold Mandela up as some sort of mini god but South Africa is now the most dangerous place to live on earth.....I don't think he's a true hero at all, quit the opposite.

 

[veteran]

Who knows if Mandela ever became a Christian? His early life certainly does not show that he was.

One thing we do know, is that his early actions was as a rebel guerilla who traveled abroad to receive training in demolition using explosives, use of mortars, and hours spent at a rifle range, attempted to "open the way to invasion of the country by unnamed outside forces", and he had known association with Communists with other members, all according to this 1964 NY Times article...

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/blogs/learning/pdf/2013/19640426_crisisinsouthafricaLN.pdf

The New York Times is somewhat soft on Communism, so I wouldn't expect their reporters to relinquish much real info on Mandela's connections to Communism. Yet that article does draw a partial link that he had.

After Mandela's death the South African Communist Party and the African National Congress both claimed Mandela was a Communist Party leader and served on the Soviet-backed organization's committee...


What the South African Communist Party had to say about Mandela:

http://www.workers.org/articles/2013/12/06/statement-south-african-communist-party-nelson-mandela/

"At his arrest in August 1962, Nelson Mandela was not only a member of the then underground South African Communist Party, but was also a member of our Party’s Central Committee. To us as South African communists, Comrade Mandela shall forever symbolise the monumental contribution of the SACP in our liberation struggle. The contribution of communists in the struggle to achieve the South African freedom has very few parallels in the history of our country. After his release from prison in 1990, Comrade Madiba became a great and close friend of the communists till his last days."


Since Mandela's political goals for South Africans did not change even up to his death, and they were the same goals he held as a guerilla with Communist associations, then I am forced to consider that he in no way was ever a follower of our Lord Jesus Christ. Christianity is NOT synonomous with Communism, nor can it ever be.

 

[KingJ]

Russians offered support when nobody else did. When Mandela entered the fray they were already there supporting. You want him to oppose them and get support from......WHO exactly????? He had options of... ONE.

We know someone by their fruits. Tell me veteran how many did Mandela kill upon his release? He had the power to start a civil war. Everyone expected it. You really do need to think before you write. Your post above shows stupidity and ignorance. You think he won the nobel peace prize for his good looks?

I met him and nothing but humility, warmth and love oozed from his aura! racism = zero! Trust me all, he is definitely in heaven!

 

[Webers_Home]

Do you believe that a person must believe the doctrine "Once saved always saved" in order
to go to Heaven?

See post #15

BTW: You know how they say big wheels turn on little axles? Well; the little
axle in the big wheel of salvation is trust. Remove the little axle of trust,
and the wheel of salvation might just as well be square instead of round. Keep
that in mind as you review post #15 and I think you'll find an acceptable answer
to your question.

According to the book of Acts, the Apostle Paul was at one time a Pharisee who persecuted
believers in Messiah Jesus

My comment wasn't intended to condemn either Communists or Pharisees.
It was merely a response to Angelina's inquiry.

Buen Camino
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[Dodo_David]

See post #15

You have not answered my question:

Do you believe that a person must believe the doctrine "Once saved always saved" in order to go to Heaven?

Either your answer is "Yes" or your answer is "No." So, which is your answer?

 

[Webers_Home]

You have not answered my question:

I'm sorry Dave, but the information in post #15 is the maximum risk I'm
willing to take in regards to your question. You'll just have to make it do
somehow.

Buen Camino
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[Angelina]

You did not read any of the links I posted? Not only a Communist but a founder and head of terrorist organization which killed thousands.

I do not read links to other sites or unknown news agencies. Smoke and mirrors... :huh:

 

[Dodo_David]

You have not answered my question:

Do you believe that a person must believe the doctrine "Once saved always saved" in order to go to Heaven?

Either your answer is "Yes" or your answer is "No." So, which is your answer?

I'm sorry Dave, but the information in post #15 is the maximum risk I'm
willing to take in regards to your question. You'll just have to make it do
somehow.

Buen Camino
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Is that your way of pleading the Fifth?

 

[DoUPray2]

Webster's defines busybody as: "a person who is too interested in the private lives of other people."

Make sure that none of you suffers as a murderer, or thief, or evildoer, or a troublesome meddler (busybody) ~ 1 Peter 4:15


If I read this correctly, Peter equates a busybody with being a murderer, a thief and an evil doer.


It's God who judges the hearts of men and women, not us (Jeremiah 17.10). It grieves my heart to come on here and read Christians debating a man's eternal future. No where in the Bible has God given us permission to do so.

We need to be concerned with the sin in our own life and getting rid of that before we debate the state of another. But Christ did tell us to get the beam out of our own eye before looking at another.

 

[Webers_Home]

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No one should be surprised if Mr. Mandela didn't make it to safety when he
crossed over to the other side seeing as how according to 1Cor 1:26 the
majority of the world's elite don't even get called; let alone get selected.

As I watched some of the splendor and pomp of President Gerald Ford's
funeral back in January of 2007, I couldn't help but wonder if he was in a
position to really appreciate it; as I suspect people in hell care very little
whether they were given an unknown pauper's disposal in a city incinerator,
or reverently placed in a grand tomb in the National Cemetery with world-wide
television coverage.

While the world lavishes Mr. Mandela's memory with praises, prayers, and
accolades; there's an extremely high probability that the poor man is right
now just one more insignificant skull among the nameless myriads already
imprisoned in the netherworld wailing and gnashing their teeth awaiting their
day in court to face justice at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev
20:11-15 --right along with the many Christians that Jesus denounced at
Matt 7:22-23.

†. Ecc 7:2 . . It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house
of gaiety, for death is the destiny of every man: the living should take this
seriously.

Buen Camino
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[Dodo_David]

I am in agreement with DoUPray2.

Nobody on this side of the eternity can read which names are recorded in the Lamb's Book of Life (Revelation 20:15).

So, nobody on this side of eternity has the knowledge of exactly who will be in the Lake of Fire and who will be in Heaven.

The best that we can do is to examine the spiritual fruit that people were displaying at the time of their deaths.

 

[Webers_Home]

nobody on this side of eternity has the knowledge of exactly who will be in the
Lake of Fire and who will be in Heaven.

And you know that how?

One of my favorite illogical arguments is reasoning that concludes if
one's self doesn't know something, then nobody else knows it either.
(chuckle) Gotta love that one.

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Is that how you've been determining who will be in the lake of fire and who
will be in heaven? by examining their so-called "spiritual fruit" at the time of
their death?

Well; the only fruit that really, really counts is on display at Gal 5:22-23 and
although the fruit of the Spirit is easy to imitate, it's impossible to duplicate
because it's produced by a divine process rather than human effort.

The reason that the fruit of the Spirit is what really, really counts is because
heaven is a place of peace; viz: it's a forgiving place, a gracious place, a
place of dignity, a place of safety, a place of honesty, a place where people are
helpful, and a place of gentleness. In other words; dishonest people, confrontational
people, reactive people, and/or people who take offense easily, aren't permitted in
heaven because it wouldn't be fair to folks arriving there expecting relief from the
way people are down here.

Buen Camino
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[Dodo_David]

I suppose that a Prophet of God might know exactly whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Does anyone here claim to be a Prophet of God?

 

[Angelina]

I doubt that even a Prophet of God would know whose names are written in the Lambs book of Life since his job is specific to his calling which, I believe, does not give him access to other areas of knowledge hidden in Christ, since the foundation of the world.