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Nothing I said leaves the scriptures, just some folks possible errant understanding of it. Listening to "other people" instead of the HS and understanding what God's word "actually" says is why so many folks think they know prophecy but really haven't got a clue.
It's a nice thing to believe but not very scriptural. The church has been enduring satan's wrath for millennia the only difference between now and Rev. 12:12 is Rev. 12:17 and that it will be satan's last chance for a 1000 yrs. to steal away as many souls from God as he can, so it will be much larger and global in scope. The woman is believing Israel and that leaves only the church in vs. 17. There is absolutely no false "pre-trib" escape taught in the bible.
So, since you "are Scripturally accurate" with an homogenization of all theories into a
No, under GRACE, the Body Of Christ has suffered "tribulations, And Also infirmities, weaknesses, distress, trouble, afflictions, reproach, suffering, And Persecution!" not from satan, but from ourSELVES, and from the Consequences of a SIN-Cursed earth.
God's Word reveals that Christ's Church will... go through the coming "great tribulation". And the reason is simple, because that is what is actually written in God's Word.
There is no way that the prophetic scriptures "rightly divided" would come up w/ the pre-trib scenario.
I disagree, things you have stated just in this thread here leaves the Scriptures, as I have already shown.
I think folks have lost the ability to read w/ actual comprehension of what they read. 7 yrs. is 7 yrs. and I never claimed otherwise and who cursed the earth w/ sin? Surprise! it was satan. All those things you mention are methods of the devil to try and stifle the message from individuals or the church and they are not brought on by ourselves. Try reading 1 Pet. 5:8 or Eph. 6, why do you think we need the armor of God if not for spiritual warfare against the enemy?!
No they don't, this should be easy for you then, show me where I "leave the scriptures" and where the 'scriptures" say otherwise.
All one need do is simply read the Biblical proof I have given right here in my posts in this Thread.
I looked back at your scriptures and they aren't biblical proof of anything. Fact, the 70th week is not mentioned outside of Dan. 9:27, Fact, the Aod is not in Dan. 9:27, Fact, none of your timelines state whether they are a first half, latter half or something else. You have never answered the scriptural "fact" that the "midst" of the week, the 2300 days of Dan. 8 and the 1290 days of Dan. 12 all "must" start on the same day and that just blows everyone's "half week" eschatologies out of the water!
You simply are not interested in keeping to the Daniel Scripture as written, and now just want to keep arguing as if you think you're right.
You really don't like to read, do you? I never said that Dan. 9:27 wasn't the 70th week, in fact I said it's the "only reference in scripture about" the 70th week. Everything after that, that we believe is about the 70th week is presumed, that's a fact, but I presume it as well. It's simply the fact that no matter how you want interpret the prophecy, fact, there is no further reference about the proper way to divide the 70th week. Because of the 1260 days, etc. it is assumed to be in two halves but the bible doesn't verify that. It's just as possible that all the time periods mentioned aren't referencing a first half or latter half (because they don't) but are several different time periods not related to a half at all. Not only do those three time period have to begin on the same day, all time periods mentioned in Daniel and Rev. must end no later than day 2520 in order to completely fulfill Dan. 9:24 which is the purpose of the 70th week to begin with. Two halves just don't cut it.
You said:
No, not us, He Gave, under prophecy, His Jewish disciples, signs and 'the abomination of desolation', for Israel, to watch for.
I think maybe you should stop until you learn reading comprehension. I explicitly said that Dan. 9:27 is the 70th week, but it is a PLAIN SIMPLE FACT, THE 70TH WEEK IS NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN IN SCRIPTURE. That doesn't mean I don't think it exists. As I said in my last reply, I too, presume Rev. to be about the 70th week, BUT, FACT, REV. NEVER SAYS IT IS and Jesus never says He's talking about the 70th week in Matt. 24, et. nor does Paul in Thessalonians.
You have been lied to. Christ's Olivet discourse of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 are to His Church. Even in the Luke 21:21 verse when warning His servants that are in Jerusalem-Judea, He warns His servants "in the countries" to not enter into Jerusalem at that time when they see Jerusalem compassed by armies...
What a garbled up mess that above is. Unintelligible.
Technically Jesus is the 70th week. The last half does not have a set period of time.
No Jesus is not the 70th week. The 70th week never began. Christ's crucifixion ended the 69th week. Prophetically, the 3 1/2 yrs. of his ministry isn't mentioned. Jesus "came" according to prophecy at the 'end" of his ministry when the prophecy of Zech. 9:9 was fulfilled. No Jesus never said it was the time of Jacob's trouble. Yes, the description of the GT is similar but it is about two different peoples at two different times in history. If it was the same Jesus would have referenced Jeremiah just as he referenced either Dan. 11:31 or 12:11 regarding the AoD. Imo, TtoJT began in 70ad and is still going on and that fits the description of it to a T. The GT is upon the church and will be the largest time of persecution and martyrdom the church has ever seen on a global scale. The 7th trump is not the last trump spoken of by Paul. The last trump is referring to the feast of trumpets and God himself will sound it, not an angel, Zech. 9:14. The problem you're having is figuring out how the 70th week can be divided into two equal halves, but scripture never says it is. The "midst" from Dan. 9:27 can mean the middle but it can also mean anytime between day 2 and day 1259. Here's a clue I figured out fairly recently. The "midst", the 1290 days from Dan. 12:11 and the 2300 days from Dan. 8 "all" begin on the same day. Also, for Israel to fulfill the goals given in Dan. 9:24, all timelines must end before day 2520. Trying to cram all the events into two equal halves just doesn't work and neither does extending it post 70th week.
