We Don't Know NOTHING ... Because We're Stupid And Lazy

[Bobby Jo]

And what makes you the arbitor of who is or is not a Christian?

You accused me of misquoting you, and I didn't. So that makes your statement untrue. And Scripture says:

Rev. 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, ...​

We are told to judge within the church, but not outside the church. And if someone makes a false statement then we need to help that person correct his/her mistake. I've done that without any results. -- And I didn't write the rules!


Bobby Jo

 

[Harvest 1874]

It might come as a shock but the only catergory that matters is are you or I a Christian, whether a large C or a small c is used. No where does Jesus or the apostles teach that salvation is dependant on our holding a correct view of the second coming.

I believe what our friend here refers to as a (capital "C") Christian and a (small "c") Christian is in reference to a true Christian, a follower of Christ, and a nominal believer, a Christian in name only.

As for your statement: "No where does Jesus or the apostles teach that salvation is dependent on our holding a correct view of the second coming."

This is correct a knowledge of the Second Advent is not prerequisite to one's salvation. Salvation is the free gift of God it is not based on anything we do, say or know. It is the unmerited favor of God, period. Note we speak here of the "our common salvation" Jude 3, salvation from the original condemnation which befell all man-kind due to father Adam's sin. Christ' sacrifice "once for all", frees all mankind from the Adamic curse, however it does not grant "everlasting" salvation to any.

God having saved (redeemed) all men from the original curse which was upon Adam and his race does not guarantee everlasting life to any, he merely releases us from the original sentence, brought upon us by Adam’s sin. Eternal salvation will be determined upon the conclusion of the trial (a new trial) of each individual, the Church presently during this the Gospel Age as each prospective member of the body passes beyond the Vail of death, and the remainder of the world by the end of the Mediatorial reign at the end of the millennial age.

Nevertheless we believe a knowledge of the Second Advent and the events surrounding it are crucial to our being able to withstand the trials (testings) and deceptions coming. To be forewarned is to be forearmed.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... we believe a knowledge of the Second Advent and the events surrounding it are crucial to our being able to withstand the trials (testings) and deceptions coming. To be forewarned is to be forearmed.

Well stated! And if I might, -- we're there as of a year ago, or so the Prophetic Psalms* would suggest. So that means we have ~2 years until the mark of the beast (by my best understanding), and another ~6 months until global thermonuclear war and the Return of Jesus (by my best understanding).


* Concept Reference: J.R. Church "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms"

With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

 

[Waiting on him]

When our Lord stated that no man knows the day or the hour he did not imply that no man would ever know. He was merely stating that at that time no man knows, in fact he himself did not yet know for it was not yet revealed to him. (See Mark 13:32)

As for determining the time of our Lord’s return we have the word of the Lord as was quoted: “For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.” (1 Thess 5:2-4)

And why is this? How is it that some are able to discern the date (the approximate year) of the Lord’s return?

Where have they acquired this knowledge?

The Apostle Peter gives us the answer in 2 Pet 1:19, “We also have the more sure word of prophecy (which reveals the Lord’s parousia, presence), which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.” (Compare with Prov 4:18)

Unfortunately the vast majority of professed believers have very little understanding of prophecy and what little they do have has been corrupted by doctrines and precepts of men.

And so even as was the case with the fleshly house so too with the nominal spiritual house they both stumble over the very same things both failing in the “day of their visitation”.

Interesting day comes at night

 

[Waiting on him]

Uh, BJ..... Everyone "misquotes" scripture if it doesn't match the wording that the particular translation we happen to read chose to use.

Somebody’s tree is missing some fruit?

 

[Bobby Jo]

Somebody’s tree is missing some fruit?

Your tree has plenty of fruit, and it's exactly as evidenced, -- not fit to eat. And I'm sure that you can explain your dishonesty (see Post #21) when you stand in the day of judgement.


And by the way, a "day" includes both daytime and nighttime ... but maybe a blind guy wouldn't know this.

Whew!
Bobby Jo

 

[CoreIssue]

Your tree has plenty of fruit, and it's exactly as evidenced, -- not fit to eat. And I'm sure that you can explain your dishonesty (see Post #21) when you stand in the day of judgement.


And by the way, a "day" includes both daytime and nighttime ... but maybe a blind guy wouldn't know this.

Whew!
Bobby Jo

Hang on there.

Depends on which usage of day.

In regular Hebrew life it was from sunset to sunrise. As shown in the six days of creation, which did not begin in Genesis 1:1.

In prophetic it was not a fixed time. As in the the day of the Lord begins at the rapture and ends at the end of time. 1000 years as a day and to the Lord in the day of thousand years.

Same with an hour. Not a fixed period of time prophetically.

 

[Harvest 1874]

Interesting day comes at night

We are presently in the night time, in fact the whole 6,000 years of the reign of sin, from Adam's disobedience until the establishment of the Lord’s kingdom, has been a night time, in which "darkness covers the earth and gross darkness the people." (Isa. 60:2) However the world is not always to remain in this condition. "The morning comes" (Isa. 21:12)

In fact the millennial morn is already here, but it is early--not yet light except to the prospective waking, watching Bride, who receives the light of the Morning Star.

Nevertheless even at the second coming of the King there will be a night time, "The morning comes, and also the night." The morning is here, but there will be a great storm of trouble, a night time of trouble such as never was upon the face of the earth nor ever will be again before its full splendor of millennial brightness is seen.

 

[Windmillcharge]

You accused me of misquoting you, and I didn't. So that makes your statement untrue. And Scripture says:

Rev. 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, ...​

We are told to judge within the church, but not outside the church. And if someone makes a false statement then we need to help that person correct his/her mistake. I've done that without any results. -- And I didn't write the rules!


Bobby Jo

No you are splitting hairs between the meaning of the word 'time' and the meaning of 'the hour' as if there was any difference.

As for judgement yes we are to make true judgement using the right standard and to be prepared for that same standard we use to be used against us.

So get ridd of the tree of ignorance about time and make accurate judgements.

 

[Windmillcharge]

Nevertheless we believe a knowledge of the Second Advent and the events surrounding it are crucial to our being able to withstand the trials (testings) and deceptions coming.

Why are speculation based on a particular interpretation of part of the bible 'crucial' in enabling anyone remain true to there faith in Jesus?

Was Asia Bibi strengthen in her trials by her knowledge of the second coming. For all she knew her arrest etc was part of the tribulation!

Given the 100% failure rate at every attempt to predict Jesus's return I prefer to concentrate on seeking to serve him.
If that earns me a rebuke so be it.

 

[ScottA]

1 Thess 5:2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.​

We're told is that "no man knows the day or the hour", which is extrapolated to: No Man Knows The: Hour; Day; Week; Month; Season; Year (1); Decade (10); Score (20); Century (100); Daytona (500); Millennia (1,000). -- It ain't Scriptural, in fact it DEFIES Scripture, but most christians aren't either smart enough or interested enough to call out the church for their lie.

Of course, many HAVE NO CLUE as to Jesus' timing, so they're content presuming that EVERYONE is as far removed from hearing from GOD as they are. And this particularly includes "pastors" who are trained at the Semetery to believe that THEY hear from GOD, and everyone UNDER THEM relies on what the "pastors" convey from GOD.

What a bunch of morons we are to believe the LIES of the church and the Semeteries.


The fact is, WE are INSTRUCTED to be full participants in the operation of the church, -- not just the idiots who open their wallets every week to fund the HIRELING:

1 Cor. 14: 26 What then, brethren? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 30 If a revelation is made to another sitting by, let the first be silent.​

Or we can be stupid and lazy, -- without any endurance:

Rev. 13:10 ... Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.
Rev. 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.​

Bobby Jo

Sing it Job!

 

[Waiting on him]

Sing it Job!

It’s always so obvious.

 

[CoreIssue]

We are presently in the night time, in fact the whole 6,000 years of the reign of sin, from Adam's disobedience until the establishment of the Lord’s kingdom, has been a night time, in which "darkness covers the earth and gross darkness the people." (Isa. 60:2) However the world is not always to remain in this condition. "The morning comes" (Isa. 21:12)

In fact the millennial morn is already here, but it is early--not yet light except to the prospective waking, watching Bride, who receives the light of the Morning Star.

Nevertheless even at the second coming of the King there will be a night time, "The morning comes, and also the night." The morning is here, but there will be a great storm of trouble, a night time of trouble such as never was upon the face of the earth nor ever will be again before its full splendor of millennial brightness is seen.

Is that what Russell taught?

 

[Bobby Jo]

No you are splitting hairs between the meaning of the word 'time' and the meaning of 'the hour' as if there was any difference. ...

Thank you President Clinton.


I love politicians, -- they can convince you that stealing is simply helping you carry your load; that murder is simply "choice"; that denying your freedoms is simply "helping you".
Bobby Jo

 

[Phoneman777]

1 Thess 5:2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.​

We're told is that "no man knows the day or the hour", which is extrapolated to: No Man Knows The: Hour; Day; Week; Month; Season; Year (1); Decade (10); Score (20); Century (100); Daytona (500); Millennia (1,000). -- It ain't Scriptural, in fact it DEFIES Scripture, but most christians aren't either smart enough or interested enough to call out the church for their lie.

Of course, many HAVE NO CLUE as to Jesus' timing, so they're content presuming that EVERYONE is as far removed from hearing from GOD as they are. And this particularly includes "pastors" who are trained at the Semetery to believe that THEY hear from GOD, and everyone UNDER THEM relies on what the "pastors" convey from GOD.

What a bunch of morons we are to believe the LIES of the church and the Semeteries.


The fact is, WE are INSTRUCTED to be full participants in the operation of the church, -- not just the idiots who open their wallets every week to fund the HIRELING:

1 Cor. 14: 26 What then, brethren? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 30 If a revelation is made to another sitting by, let the first be silent.​

Or we can be stupid and lazy, -- without any endurance:

Rev. 13:10 ... Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.
Rev. 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.​

Bobby Jo

Didn't Jesus say we have at least some idea of the timing of His coming by giving us the illustration of a woman about to give birth?

 

[Harvest 1874]

Is that what Russell taught?

Its what the scriptures teach.

The True Bible chronology confirms that we have entered the seventh 1000 year, the millennium, and the text quoted (Isa. 21:12) attest to the fact that the dark night of trouble is coming.

It doesn't matter what the Pastor taught it is what the scriptures teach which is most important.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Didn't Jesus say we have at least some idea of the timing of His coming by giving us the illustration of a woman about to give birth?

If you're really interested in knowing when events appear to be forthcoming, it might help to establish some confidence by looking at events which have been fulfilled. Specifically, you might want to consider the premise proposed by J.R. Church (now deceased, former co-host of the TV program "Prophecy In The News") in his 1985 book "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms".


Unfortunately, given my past experience in Forums, people want to be breast fed instead of doing the work of chewing. And so this "reply" is more than likely a waste of time, -- but we're told to sew the seeds, so I do.


Bobby Jo

 

[CoreIssue]

Its what the scriptures teach.

The True Bible chronology confirms that we have entered the seventh 1000 year, the millennium, and the text quoted (Isa. 21:12) attest to the fact that the dark night of trouble is coming.

It doesn't matter what the Pastor taught it is what the scriptures teach which is most important.

Scripture doesn't teach that. It is a theory held by some, including some cults.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Scripture doesn't teach that. It is a theory held by some, including some cults.

Scripture DOES teach the concept of a week of 1,000 year increments simply by comparing Prophetic Scripture with World History.

As for the "cults", there are many who deny the things of GOD, and there are others which twist the things of GOD, much like the 39 "Heavens Gate" Nike® wearing cult members who killed themselves in the expectation that they would arise to the tail of the Hale-Bopp comet. This was actually a Scripturally based prophetic event, -- but NOT what these poor misled individuals believed.


Please beware: Not all who profess Biblical aspects are "Christians" (capital "C"). Some are merely christians (small "c").


Bobby Jo

 

[aspen]

1 Thess 5:2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.​

We're told is that "no man knows the day or the hour", which is extrapolated to: No Man Knows The: Hour; Day; Week; Month; Season; Year (1); Decade (10); Score (20); Century (100); Daytona (500); Millennia (1,000). -- It ain't Scriptural, in fact it DEFIES Scripture, but most christians aren't either smart enough or interested enough to call out the church for their lie.

Of course, many HAVE NO CLUE as to Jesus' timing, so they're content presuming that EVERYONE is as far removed from hearing from GOD as they are. And this particularly includes "pastors" who are trained at the Semetery to believe that THEY hear from GOD, and everyone UNDER THEM relies on what the "pastors" convey from GOD.

What a bunch of morons we are to believe the LIES of the church and the Semeteries.


The fact is, WE are INSTRUCTED to be full participants in the operation of the church, -- not just the idiots who open their wallets every week to fund the HIRELING:

1 Cor. 14: 26 What then, brethren? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 30 If a revelation is made to another sitting by, let the first be silent.​

Or we can be stupid and lazy, -- without any endurance:

Rev. 13:10 ... Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.
Rev. 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.​

Bobby Jo

Speak for yourself....

Americans have such a warped view of humility