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  1. bbyrd009

    bbyrd009 Groper

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    thought FHII was a mod? Hmm.
    Work to make your calling and election sure
    and so you will go the way of all determinists, who wadr demonstrate that they don't get it yet
    not saying you aren't half-right though, k, you prolly are
    oops I guess
     
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    Wow nice imo, it came to mind after reading your first sentence there "bc they were demanding it, so the wise told them to go buy it," which I guess we really can't do right? Something like that?
     
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    I desire mercy, not sacrifice
    No Son of Man may die for another's sins

    If you would demonstrate some admission of these and rectify them with your pov, ty
     
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    BERSERK

    We learn from scripture that the NATURE is in the Name.
    God showed is this by his many many names and the meaning in them..

    So you choice of name is very strange for a Christian forum!!

    Japanese Black Swordsman!!

    I hope you are going to be a blessing here, and not just another draining negative.

    BTW @FHII 's avatar has a back story.... just as you chose your avatar name for a reason... It's a long story and a humorous one... he is ONE of the good guys on this forum, we could do with more of 'him''s , not less of them!!

    Bless you...H
     
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    No, we can't give someone else of our faith, of our vision, of our relationship with God. True
    But the "Oil" is still available...and the foolish went off and did buy ( from the Holy Spirit? Who WAS the seller ? @quietthinker )

    While there is still breath is our bodies we can still by 'oil'...as yet, the door is not quite shut... NO?
     
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    Helen,

    I'm a Swede who grew up in Winnipeg, Manitoba. My great grandparents moved to Saskatchewan to receive free farms. During the Great Depression, my Dad (age 14) had to move to Winnipeg because his parents could no longer afford to feed him! Somehow he survived and met Mom. But life had been a real battle for him. "Berserk" suits me because Berserkers were ancient Viking warrior shamans and I'm sort of a Swedish mystic and because, well, I was always a practical joker, even in my seminary days!
     
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    Kermos . . . why do you not answer my question?

    Much love!
    Mark
     
  8. Kermos

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    For I delight in loyalty rather than sacrifice, And in the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.
    (Hosea 6:6 NASB)

    To do righteousness and justice is desired by the LORD more than sacrifice.
    (Proverbs 21:3 NASB)

    3 "Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying, 'On the tenth of this month they are each one to take a lamb for themselves, according to their fathers' households, a lamb for each household.
    4 'Now if the household is too small for a lamb, then he and his neighbor nearest to his house are to take one according to the number of persons [in them]; according to what each man should eat, you are to divide the lamb.
    5 'Your lamb shall be an unblemished male a year old; you may take it from the sheep or from the goats.
    6 'You shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month, then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel is to kill it at twilight.
    7 'Moreover, they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses in which they eat it.
    8 'They shall eat the flesh that [same] night, roasted with fire, and they shall eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.
    9 'Do not eat any of it raw or boiled at all with water, but rather roasted with fire, [both] its head and its legs along with its entrails.
    10 'And you shall not leave any of it over until morning, but whatever is left of it until morning, you shall burn with fire.
    11 'Now you shall eat it in this manner: [with] your loins girded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat it in haste - it is the LORD'S Passover.
    12 'For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will strike down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments - I am the LORD.
    13 'The blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you live; and when I see the blood I will pass over you, and no plague will befall you to destroy [you] when I strike the land of Egypt.
    14 'Now this day will be a memorial to you, and you shall celebrate it [as] a feast to the LORD; throughout your generations you are to celebrate it [as] a permanent ordinance.
    (Exodus 12:3-14 NASB)

    "If you then, being evil"
    (Matthew 7:11 NASB)

    11 When the Pharisees saw [this], they said to His disciples, "Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?"
    12 But when Jesus heard [this], He said, "[It is] not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick.
    13 "But go and learn what this means: 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
    (Matthew 9:11-13 NASB)

    "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so4 must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life." (John 3:14-15 NASB)

    "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
    (Matthew 20:28 NASB)

    "You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man is [to be] handed over for crucifixion."
    (Matthew 26:2 NASB)

    And when they had crucified Him, they divided up His garments among themselves by casting lots.
    (Matthew 27:35 NASB)

    They divide my garments among them, And for my clothing they cast lots.
    (Psalm 22:18 NASB)

    1 Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.
    2 And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it.
    3 And his appearance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow.
    4 The guards shook for fear of him and became like dead men.
    5 The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid; for I know that you are looking for Jesus who has been crucified.
    6 "He is not here, for He has risen, just as He said. Come, see the place where He was lying.
    7 "Go quickly and tell His disciples that He has risen from the dead; and behold, He is going ahead of you into Galilee, there you will see Him; behold, I have told you."
    8 And they left the tomb quickly with fear and great joy and ran to report it to His disciples.
    9 And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him.
    10 Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid; go and take word to My brethren to leave for Galilee, and there they will see Me."
    (Matthew 28:1-10 NASB)
     
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    Hello Mark,

    I answered your question by pointing out scripture that indicates God's means to an end vary depending on God's good will. That is an answer, Mark.

    So, now I ask for you to answer this question which I posed to you, do you believe that God's Hand did not engage Pontius Pilate?

    Peace to you,
    Kermos
     
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    OK. So to be clear, and not meaning to put words in your mouth, just to make sure I understand your doctrine, God will sometimes initiate sinful acts if it serves His purposes. Is that what you teach?

    Much love!
    Mark
     
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    The passage in Matthew 25:1-13 does not indicate that the foolish went off and successfully bought oil, rather the foolish only returned and begged to be let in. Here is the passage:

    1 "Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
    2 "Five of them were foolish, and five were prudent.
    3 "For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them,
    4 but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps.
    5 "Now while the bridegroom was delaying, they all got drowsy and [began] to sleep.
    6 "But at midnight there was a shout, 'Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet [him].'
    7 "Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps.
    8 "The foolish said to the prudent, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
    9 "But the prudent answered, 'No, there will not be enough for us and you [too]; go instead to the dealers and buy [some] for yourselves.'
    10 "And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut.
    11 "Later the other virgins also came, saying, 'Lord, lord, open up for us.'
    12 "But he answered, 'Truly I say to you, I do not know you.'
    13 "Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.

    While there is breath, there is hope for God's mercy.
     
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    Hi Mark,

    As I wrote, I answered your question by quoting scripture demonstrating that God uses various means to the end for God's good will. The answer is in scripture. Please see post number 328 above, Mark. It's exclusively scripture with scripture (about the crucifixion) with citations. Back to Acts 4, the scripture reads "Your Hand" referring to God's Hand, and I say God's Hand engaged Pontius Pilate.

    Since I answered your original question again, now I ask you again, do you believe that God's Hand did not engage Pontius Pilate?

    Peace to you,
    Kermos
     
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    No where does it say that they could NOT buy oil, or that they went but couldn't buy..

    10 And while they went to buy, ( no mention that they couldn't) the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
    11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us."

    That has every indication that they got their oil. ( Anyone? )

    My personal belief is the they could not enter the millennial reign , the 'door was shut'.......... but "after the thousand years was over..."

    You may not agree , but I am pretty settled on this ...unless or until God show me otherwise.
     
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    Go on, keep 'trying'... to hide the fact that Jesus DIVINELY INTERVENED in Saul's life to call him into His service. All you're doing is lying to yourself by denying this. Don't you see that the next question is... why only Saul? why doesn't our Lord Jesus DIRECTLY INTERVENE in everyone's life to influence their choice?

    Likewise with Christ's Apostles, when He told them to follow Him, they dropped what they were doing asking no questions, and followed Him. It was because He already... OWNED them (as He showed in John 17 about those who are 'sent', which is the meaning of the word 'apostle').
     
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    Hello ByGrace,

    The things that Lord Jesus said are crucial to Life. The parable is what He said (Matthew 25:1-13).

    1) In verse 10, Jesus said "while they were going away to make the purchase" which indicates the five foolish virgins were in motion travelling away from the five prudent virgins to purchase, so there is no indication that five foolish virgins obtained oil in this verse. The verse concludes that the "door was shut" thus fulfilling the time of the Gentiles (Luke 21:24), and does this not indicate the lifting of the Holy Spirit during the millenium?

    2) In verse 11, there is no stated indication by Jesus that the five foolish virgins had oil.

    3) In verse 12, Jesus explained that the bridegroom said "Truly I say to you, I do not know you." The weight of those words further prove that the five foolish virgins did not have oil.

    4) In verse 13, Jesus declared "Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour" which is a profound statement culminating the parable that Jesus, God incarnate, described.

    5) Respecting verses 12 and/or 13, the narrative you provide appears to insert quite a bit between verses 12 and 13, maybe you mean after verse 13 or maybe you mean somewhere else in the parable, I don't know. But, in verse 13, the warning and command occurs, "Be on the alert" which is truly awesome that God mercifully delivers such conclusive words about salvation!

    In peace,
    Kermos
     
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    There are actually four views of the Gospel, the gospel according to Catholicism, according to Calvinism, according to Arminianism, and then there is the True Gospel, the gospel which the Apostle Paul was not ashamed.

    This last gospel is that which the angels proclaim at the birth of our Lord, "good tidings and great joy to ALL men".
     
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    Our friend Dave like many Christians has only half the gospel, some believe in only the earthly phase of the kingdom (that heaven will be here on earth), while others believe only in the heavenly phase of the kingdom and that the earth is destined to destruction. The Scriptures however teach that there is to be Two Phases of the Kingdom an earthly phase and a heavenly phase.
     
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    Tbh I don't think so, seems to go against other Scripture, and note that they still did not get in after buying their oil?
     
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    It must have taken you a while to build that, but wadr I don't see how it addresses my post at all, sorry. I understand the overweening desire to go up to heaven after you have died to become an immortal though, and I guess having had to buy the understanding plays into that quite a bit.
    So I wish you the best of luck there, honestly, and all I could maybe say right now is when you find yourself singing "when we all get to heaven" you can be sure that you have lost your way
     
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    This is another that I would seek someone one-eyed to tell me their interp, but the foolish virgins are at the moment anyway shaping up to be those who sing When We All Get to Heaven I guess Helen.
    @icxn if you have a word here that would be cool
     
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