The Light
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In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Unless you also see that as God’s voice and if you don’t, I cannot understand how one is and 1 is not.
It appears that you think that 1 Thes 4 and 1 Cor 15 are the same event. No so. 1 thes 4 and 1 Cor 15 are not the same event. I Cor 15 is Matthew 24"15, when Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. In 1 Thes 4, the Lord himself comes for His bride, the Church.
There is a big difference between the Lord Himself coming and the Lord sending His angels. Two completely separate events. The Lord Himself comes with the trump of God or voice of God. When the Lord sends His angels in 1 Cor 15 that occurs at the last trump which is blown of the Feast of Trumpets.
1 Thes 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Cor 15
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
As 1 commentator puts it, If the loud sound of the trumpet, when the law was given from mount Sinia, especially when it sounded long, and waxed continually louder and louder, was so dreadful to the Israelites, that they said to Moses, Let not the Lord speak to us lest we die; how terrible must the sound of this trumpet be, which calls all men to that final judgment that will determine their lot for ever!
He wasn’t speaking to them yet, and they already quaked with fear. Could it be just a voice as you put it? That is a possibility because I toss nothing aside until 100% proven false. I hope you’d do the same, but evidence does point to a trumpet as the Israelites were given when they encamped around Jericho. So, is God’s voice the last trumpet voice that sounds? Or is the last trumpet that sounds, the last trumpet in view of the trumpets that preceded it?
No, God is not the voice of the last trump. This trumpet is blown on the Feast of Trumpets a harvest feast of the Lords. Note that Paul never had need to explain what the last trump was as the Jews know it is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. John had not yet had the Revelation so wouldn't Paul find it necessary to explain what the last trump was? There is no need need as they all know what the last trump is. Ask a Rabbi what the last trump is and he will no doubt confirm it is blown on the feast of Trumpets.