CoreIssue
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Jesus says whoever sins is the slave of sin.
And the apostles taught even the born again soon.
Our spirits are born again, not our flesh. Our flesh is where sin resides.
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Jesus says whoever sins is the slave of sin.
But that DOESN'T mean that ALL free will is "Pelagianism."Free will is what makes Pelagius' claims possible. How could it be if he didn't think the will was free to do so?
Even the boy-scout helping the old lady across the street is sinning if not motivated by faith. Paul says whatever is not of faith is sin. We do not know the Samaritan's motive. I'll hang on to the $100 for now.The Good Samaritan is a perfect example of a good work done by a person who was NOT considered acceptable by Jewish standards.
I'll send you an address for the $100 check . . .
People cannot choose above the limits of the flesh. = the will is not free to choose spiritual things for the right reasons.But that DOESN'T mean that ALL free will is "Pelagianism."
Pelagianism simply takes advantage of free will.
Jesus stood in front of the Pharisees as YAHWEH and they killed him.Your assumption.
Our born again spirit rules over the flesh.And the apostles taught even the born again soon.
Our spirits are born again, not our flesh. Our flesh is where sin resides.
WRONG.Even the boy-scout helping the old lady across the street is sinning if not motivated by faith. Paul says whatever is not of faith is sin. We do not know the Samaritan's motive. I'll hang on to the $100 for now.
That STILL doesn't cancel out free will.People cannot choose above the limits of the flesh. = the will is not free to choose spiritual things for the right reasons.
Our born again spirit rules over the flesh.
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:9–10) (KJV 1900)Where does the Bible say that? It says our spirits are at war with flesh.
Free to sin only is not freedom not to sin.That STILL doesn't cancel out free will.
Bad motives make good works bad.WRONG.
There you go cherry-picking again. That’s NOT what Paul said – in CONTEXT.
He prefaced it by talking about DOUBT.
Rom 14:23
But whoever has DOUBTS is condemned if he eats, because this is not from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.
Jesus specifically used the example of a >in His parable to show that even a person who is NOT considered a person of God can show mercy on a complete stranger – and so should THEY (the crowd).
Absolutely - but that was NOT the case for the Good Samaritan.Bad motives make good works bad.
It's NOT freedom to sin "only".Free to sin only is not freedom not to sin.
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:9–10) (KJV 1900)
Paul is describing what it was like being a sinner under the law. If you keep reading he describes what it is like being born again in the New Covenant.Born again being spirit, not flesh.
Glorification cleanses the flesh at the rapture.
Romans 7:21-23 New International Version (NIV)
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me.
But unless first born again, the motive behind good works produces only sinful good works.It's NOT freedom to sin "only".
Free will is freedom to sin or NOT to sin.
YOU are very confused . . .
No - they're not "sinful" good works.But unless first born again, the motive behind good works produces only sinful good works.
Paul says whatever is not of faith is sin.No - they're not "sinful" good works.
Sin requires intent, full knowledge and full consent.
They're simply works that are not done to glorify God - like breathing . . .
Seriously? When you reach for a glass of water, is there REALLY any consideration given to whether or not your fingers will grip the glass, or if you will know how to direct it to your lips? I think we have to take care that we do not try to get so "spiritual" and "Holy" about our everyday lives that we make a circus out of it. LOLPaul says whatever is not of faith is sin.