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  1. Phoneman777

    Phoneman777 Well-Known Member

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    It's SDA doctrine. Paul says "for the Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout" and the saints are "caught up to meet the Lord in the air" in the First Resurrection.

    It also says "that Great Wicked" shall be destroyed "with the brightness of His coming" and obviously all those who have followed that Wickedness and when the see the Lamb coming, they will flee to the rocks and mountains while the saints are saying, "Lo, this is our God. We have waited for Him".

    The dead "lived not until the thousand years are finished" when they will come up in the Second Resurrection.

    So, are we going to hover in the clouds for a thousand years? Or does the Bible say Jesus is coming back to "receive you to Myself, that where I am (that is, the place He'd gone to prepare places for us) there may ye be also"? Yes, Jesus is coming back to gather us and we will journey to heaven for a thousand years while the wicked all drop dead all over the Earth and thus Satan will be chained...with literal chains?...like the ones that the demonic of Gadara easily broke? No, you can't "chain" the devil or the demons, but the "chains" with which they'll be bound are "chains of circumstance" - the Earth will revert back to the "abussos" which means "without form and void", but for some silly reason the KJV translators went of the deep end with "bottomless pit", but it's identical to "without form and void" and it is on this destroyed, dark, desolate, empty Earth they will remain with no one to tempt, no creatures to possess, and nothing to do but contemplate the fate that awaits them in the Lake of Fire.
     
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    How is the Greek identical to the Hebrew. Explain further.

    I'll talk to you later, I'm off to bed. :)
     
  3. Phoneman777

    Phoneman777 Well-Known Member

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    Septagint OT. Goodnite!
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    Oh, okay. I've got one, I'll look it up, but I don't have an interlinear Septuagint.
     
  5. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    So now people are ascribing the Septuagint as though it were equivalent to the original Masoretic Text, -- which is certainly ignorant, and possibly worse.

    And these people are in a Christian Forum.
    Bobby Jo
     
  6. Earburner

    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    In God's Eternity, there is no such thing as "a thousand years". Also, we have no reference to interpret "a thousand years" to be literal whatsoever!

    However, we do have a reference that reveals an era where NO time is accounted for, and has no end, "except" for the reason of one thing, lack of FAITH.
    2 Thes. 2:3.

    "A thousand years" is symbolic of the Age of God's Grace. Please read and study, and please, "be not ignorant":

    2 Peter 3[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
    [8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years [is with the Lord] as one day.
    WHY?
    [9] The Lord is not slack concerning His promise [of Salvation], as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
    Which is describing NOW, the Age of His Grace!
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    Now, let's examine verse 8.
    "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,
    and a thousand years [is with the Lord] as one day."

    If we all would stop and take moment, we would really understand how this verse opposes itself in our analytical minds.
    We all can comprehend that God can view a thousand years as being one day.
    But, for God to view one day as being a thousand years, it just doesn't quite register right in our minds.
    Think on that for a minute, and you will see what I mean.

    WHY?
    The verse is not talking about literal time, but rather an unlimited amount of time, from the perspective of His Eternity, in which there is NO time!!

    Did you know, that there is no time limit for the length of God's Grace, but rather there will be an event, that shall end His Age of Grace?
    That event is: "a falling away". The lack of Faith on the earth. It is THEN that Jesus shall return.
    It is the cause of it, and nothing else!!
    2 Thes. 2:3; Luke 18:8.

    Q. So in conclusion, what is the period of "a thousand years"?
    A. It is symbolic of His Age of Grace NOW, in which we are NOW reigning with Him! Not over people, but rather FOR people!!
    For them to come to repentance and be saved!!

    Again, please see the latter part of 2 Peter 3:9

    Rev. 1[5] And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
    [6] And hath made us (present tense, as in now) kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
     
  7. Heart2Soul

    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Interesting and I agree that time did not exist in a measurable form prior to the 4th day of creation.
    Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 1 - King James Version
    Verse 14
    And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven, to divide the day from the night: and let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years.

    Here is where God specifically designated a measurable form of time.














     
  8. Earburner

    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    Wrong! Not to the the of time, but rather "the last end of the indignation" against Israel, which is who the 2300 day prophecy is applied to, having to do with Antiochus Epiphanes, in the latter time of the 3rd Beast.
    Daniel 8:19-26
    [19] And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the *time appointed the end shall be. (* the 2300 days).
     
  9. Earburner

    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    God's Eternity is NOT dictated to Him, by how many rotations of the earth, or revolutions around the Sun.
    IOWS, He doesn't live by any measure "time", but we do, because in our flesh, we have an END. He doesn't have an end, nor does He have a beginning.
     
  10. Earburner

    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    Correction to Phoneman:
    I meant to say- Not to the end of time, but rather...
     
  11. Bobby Jo

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    Actually LIGHT was one of the FIRST things GOD created, but I would propose that EACH DAY is an "era" (or "phase") with it's own increment of development:

    Day 1: GOD created the heavens and the earth, and created light-- dividing the day from the night.
    Day 2: GOD created the atmosphere.
    Day 3: GOD created dry land and vegetation.
    Day 4: GOD created the starts and the moon.
    Day 5: GOD created the fish and birds.
    Day 6: GOD created the beasts, and man.​

    And where the church argues against evolution, and DNA agrees, -- I would argue that GOD used a progression of creation which HE ordained in HIS perfect plan in which each creature was inspired according to their own unique purpose.

    But we still had light on Day #1, -- not Day #4.


    And of course, Adam and Eve's sin was not eating an apple from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil". But you won't find the truth from any pulpit I'm familiar with ...


    But if you're ever interested in the "dinosaur" era versus the "man" era, you might be interested in researching the Ica burial stones which substantiate other evidence that dinosaurs and man co-existed. :)



    Bobby Jo
     
  12. Heart2Soul

    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    When God created the first "light" it is not a physical light but rather spiritual. Perhaps His presence...perhaps Jesus....(He is the light of the world). The darkness comprehended it not....but the first light established His power and reign over darkness. Jesus is called the Morning or Day star. Since the sun, moon and stars weren't created until the 4th day what would illuminate as light on the first? His Glory? In a physical perspective perhaps pure energy which is necessary for life.
    I am going to bed...but something to consider.
     
  13. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    Yep, and perhaps NOT!

    Have you joined @CharismaticLady, @Jay Ross, @Phoneman777, and whatever deluded people who post on this Forum and Topic?

    Apparently so ...
    Bobby Jo
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Why must you insult people? It is offensive and it really deters others from wanting anything to do with sharing their knowledge or beliefs with you. You make it very difficult to engage in any kind of discussion on any topic. I am not interested in being a part of your self-righteous mentality and am blocking you at this point. I don't want to read anything you have to say.
     
  15. Earburner

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    Heart2soul and Bobby Jo missed the POINT of my post!

    Here, try again:
    In God's Eternity, there is no such thing as "a thousand years". Also, we have no reference to interpret "a thousand years" to be literal whatsoever!

    However, we do have a reference that reveals an era where NO time is accounted for, and has no end, "except" for the reason of one thing, lack of FAITH.
    2 Thes. 2:3.

    "A thousand years" is symbolic of the Age of God's Grace. Please read and study, and please, "be not ignorant":

    2 Peter 3[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
    [8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years [is with the Lord] as one day.
    WHY?
    [9] The Lord is not slack concerning His promise [of Salvation], as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
    Which is describing NOW, the Age of His Grace!
    .
    Now, let's examine verse 8.
    "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,
    and a thousand years [is with the Lord] as one day."

    If we all would stop and take moment, we would really understand how this verse opposes itself in our analytical minds.
    We all can comprehend that God can view a thousand years as being one day.
    But, for God to view one day as being a thousand years, it just doesn't quite register right in our minds.
    Think on that for a minute, and you will see what I mean.

    WHY?
    The verse is not talking about literal time, but rather an unlimited amount of time, from the perspective of His Eternity, in which there is NO time!!

    Did you know, that there is no time limit for the length of God's Grace, but rather there will be an event, that shall end His Age of Grace?
    That event is: "a falling away". The lack of Faith on the earth. It is THEN that Jesus shall return.
    It is the cause of it, and nothing else!!
    2 Thes. 2:3; Luke 18:8.

    Q. So in conclusion, what is the period of "a thousand years"?
    A. It is symbolic of His Age of Grace NOW, in which we are NOW reigning with Him! Not over people, but rather FOR people!!
    For them to come to repentance and be saved!!

    Again, please see the latter part of 2 Peter 3:9

    Rev. 1[5] And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
    [6] And hath made us (present tense, as in now) kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen
     
  16. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    Jesus told the TRUTH. Should we do less?

    Would you prefer what tickles your ears?
    Bobby Jo
     
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    Interesting comment! especially bearing in mind the references to light in John chapter 1. The primacy of the spiritual is certainly a very good framework to remember in the interpretation of Scripture.
     
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    Yep, it all "spiritual", -- the entire account of creation is SPIRITUAL. Good Call.
     
  19. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    What are the ODDS? Out of some 22 pages of posts, only @pompadour (posts #14 & 25) got SOMETHING correct:

    Quote @pompadour, Post #14:
    I think 1948 is the beginning of the end time generation.

    Jesus said ( Math 24 ) that the trib. will be so bad that there will no flesh saved alive but for the elects sake those days Have been shortened. In Rev. the devil is caste down to Earth having great wrath knowing that he has but a short season = ( the season of the locust ) = 5 months, May - Sept.
    Sept. has the feast of trumpets. Also known as the feast that no one knows the day or hour. Jesus said something very similar about his return.

    Quote @pompadour, Post #25:
    With all due respect you are wrong about 1,000 years in the future.
    I will be alive when Jesus returns, I'm 77 I don't think I will last another 1,000 years.

    One would think that with all those that profess Christianity the church INFORMED would outnumber the UNIFORMED. -- Maybe this is why "Endurance" is encouraged:

    Rev. 13:10 ... Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.
    Rev. 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

    ... because the church has no strength, and the GREAT FALLING AWAY will be fulfilled in our eyes.

    Mark 4:6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.



    What a sad state for the church,
    Bobby Jo
     
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    Phoneman777 Well-Known Member

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    Wrong? I refer you to Daniel 8:17: "So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for AT THE TIME OF THE END [shall be] the vision."
     
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