What does it mean "there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus".....

[thelord's_pearl]

I’m trying to think if I can help you a little. You dart very quickly from thing to thing. :)
Maybe I will wait until you have time to read Galatians 3 in my first post.

I can say though(about seeming contradictions), that the entire Bible is completely riddled with them. For almost every verse there is also a verse in tension to it that seems to say the exact opposite and that most of the huge and never ending arguments in here are where one person argues the one part and the other person argues the other part, with neither one understanding both parts together.

Galations 3: 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

stunnedbygrace, I am trying to put two contradictions into one sense. So here it says he redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit. I am still quite confused but it seems like it's still saying we must follow through faith in Christ Jesus through the Holy Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit is love, gentleness, faithfulness, forebearance, self-control etc so we still have to follow the Holy Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ, but we're not under the law of works which is what we were without Christ and the Holy Spirit. That's what I think it's saying to make sense of it all. So, so long as we don't "practice" sin, we will fail or else we're liars but some sins we might not ever do again, I find.

 

[thelord's_pearl]

Everyday is a” Sinful Day”..... you ever hear about the “ Sins Of OMISSION?”.......Even if you perfectly “ kept the Law( and you DONT! ) , how many strangers have you invited into your home to feed and clothe today while you lounged away in the comfort of your own home? If you know right things to do and you dont do them, it is a SIN.....I bet there are plenty of hospitals and soup kitchens that could use your help RIGHT NOW !

Btw.....have you had any IMPURE THOUGHTS today .....if you had just ONE lustful thought go through your mind today, you are no better than an Adulterer , according to Jesus....

If you really KNEW how Sinful every day of your life is, you’d stop rejecting Grace and Cling to it —- it’s the ONLY thing that saved any man that ever “ GOT” Saved.....

Again, there's a difference b/t practising (intentionally) sinning and not, and my belief is that God just doesn't want us to practise sin. false sheep will pay no mind but true sheep will have a conscience. Just letting you know.

 

[Gospel Believer]

Again, there's a difference b/t practising (intentionally) sinning and not, and my belief is that God just doesn't want us to practise sin. false sheep will pay no mind but true sheep will have a conscience. Just letting you know.

I have a daughter.....I don't like it when she disobeys me....I Chastise her for those things because I love her and I do it it for her own good.....God handles “ His” errant children in the same manner....

Almost ALL sin is “ intentional” or “ willful”, or are claiming that when “ You” sin it is always “ accidental”..... lol.....give me a break.....I agree that “ true sheep” have a “ conscience” ......but even the TRUEST sheep can and DOES “ Stumble” on occasion....even James admitted “ that!” .....a Believer That insists upon sinning will spend a lot of time here on Earth in God’s “ Wood- Shed” , yet if that fool has at least trusted in Christ to Save him, that fool, when he stands before God, will stand there with a lot of welts on his rear - end.....Wise and obedient Believers will not .....the choice is up to the individual....Salvation is not in question if one is a Believer...

 

[thelord's_pearl]

I have a daughter.....I don't like it when she disobeys me....I Chastise her for those things because I love her and I do it it for her own good.....God handles “ His” errant children in the same manner....

Almost ALL sin is “ intentional” or “ willful”, or are claiming that when “ You” sin it is always “ accidental”..... lol.....give me a break.....I agree that “ true sheep” have a “ conscience” ......but even the TRUEST sheep can and DOES “ Stumble” on occasion....even James admitted “ that!” .....a Believer That insists upon sinning will spend a lot of time here on Earth in God’s “ Wood- Shed” , yet if that fool has at least trusted in Christ to Save him, that fool, when he stands before God, will stand there with a lot of welts on his rear - end.....Wise and obedient Believers will not .....the choice is up to the individual....Salvation is not in question if one is a Believer...

"pracising"/intentionally sinning means you pay no mind to your sinning, you put no effort, you just say you're a sinner and you sin even though you could've resisted the devil..... "NOT practising"/NOT intentionally sinning means that you put in the effort to not sin, to resist the devil, sometimes you succeeded and sometimes you didn't.

 

[Gospel Believer]

"pracising"/intentionally sinning means you pay no mind to your sinning, you put no effort, you just say you're a sinner and you sin even though you could've resisted the devil..... "NOT practising"/NOT intentionally sinning means that you put in the effort to not sin, to resist the devil, sometimes you succeeded and sometimes you didn't.

Good definitions of different types of sinning.....so what happens next ? Does the “ intentional Sinner” go to Hell? And the guy that “ tried” to resist —— Does “ he “ Get Grace while the other guy does not ? Please elaborate .....This could make for an interesting discussion...

 

[Gospel Believer]

Again, there's a difference b/t practising (intentionally) sinning and not, and my belief is that God just doesn't want us to practise sin. false sheep will pay no mind but true sheep will have a conscience. Just letting you know.

Thanks for filling me in on that....

 

[thelord's_pearl]

Good definitions of different types of sinning.....so what happens next ? Does the “ intentional Sinner” go to Hell? And the guy that “ tried” to resist —— Does “ he “ Get Grace while the other guy does not ? Please elaborate .....This could make for an interesting discussion...

Well I look at this verse:

Matthew 7: 21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
So the part especially 'depart from Me, you who practise lawlessness'/or who breaks God's law in another version, I still stand that God doesn't want us to "practise"/intentionally sin. God would even prompt us and through the Word guide us, leading us, we shouldn't practise sinning. Those are my thoughts.

 

[Gospel Believer]

Well I look at this verse:

Matthew 7: 21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
So the part especially 'depart from Me, you who practise lawlessness'/or who breaks God's law in another version, I still stand that God doesn't want us to "practise"/intentionally sin. God would even prompt us and through the Word guide us, leading us, we shouldn't practise sinning. Those are my thoughts.

The ones that make it in to Heaven—- the ones that “ did God’s Will” as Jesus is saying here, are the ones who did the following: When Jesus was asked by the disciples, “ What is God's Will?” Jesus answered with these words..... “ The Will Of The Father is to Believe in the One that He sent” ...In other words, Trust in Jesus to Save you and Trust in Him Alone. The ones receiving Damnation were the ones that gave “ lip service” to Jesus But by their Boasting gave away the Truth that they were “ Really” Trusting in themselves and all the things that THEY did ( didn’t we do this and Didn’t we do that !)
In my wildest dreams, I can’t imagine boasting about ANYTHING on Judgement Day other than the fact that I did what I was told to do.....I Rested in the Finished Work Of The Cross, Verified by the fact that I Trusted in the Gospel —- I Believed that Jesus died for my sins and I believed that he rose from the dead....Anybody that wants to Add to that will find themselves n trouble come Judgement Day—— people are gonna find out that all along it really “ was” , Nothing But The Blood when it came to their Salvation.....try to remember that—— NOTHING!

 

[robert derrick]

Everyday is a” Sinful Day”..... you ever hear about the “ Sins Of OMISSION?”.......Even if you perfectly “ kept the Law( and you DONT! ) , how many strangers have you invited into your home to feed and clothe today while you lounged away in the comfort of your own home? If you know right things to do and you dont do them, it is a SIN.....I bet there are plenty of hospitals and soup kitchens that could use your help RIGHT NOW !

Btw.....have you had any IMPURE THOUGHTS today .....if you had just ONE lustful thought go through your mind today, you are no better than an Adulterer , according to Jesus....

If you really KNEW how Sinful every day of your life is, you’d stop rejecting Grace and Cling to it —- it’s the ONLY thing that saved any man that ever “ GOT” Saved.....

Ah yes. And of course, now all are just as sinful as you.

The OSAS need for everyone to 'be doing it', is the foolish attempt to avoid God's condemnation for sinning, because everyone is doing it.

The flood proves that wrong.

Especially when many are only accused of doing it, by them doing it.

 

[thelord's_pearl]

The ones that make it in to Heaven—- the ones that “ did God’s Will” as Jesus is saying here, are the ones who did the following: When Jesus was asked by the disciples, “ What is God's Will?” Jesus answered with these words..... “ The Will Of The Father is to Believe in the One that He sent” ...In other words, Trust in Jesus to Save you and Trust in Him Alone. The ones receiving Damnation were the ones that gave “ lip service” to Jesus But by their Boasting gave away the Truth that they were “ Really” Trusting in themselves and all the things that THEY did ( didn’t we do this and Didn’t we do that !)
In my wildest dreams, I can’t imagine boasting about ANYTHING on Judgement Day other than the fact that I did what I was told to do.....I Rested in the Finished Work Of The Cross, Verified by the fact that I Trusted in the Gospel —- I Believed that Jesus died for my sins and I believed that he rose from the dead....Anybody that wants to Add to that will find themselves n trouble come Judgement Day—— people are gonna find out that all along it really “ was” , Nothing But The Blood when it came to their Salvation.....try to remember that—— NOTHING!

No, it says, Not everyone who says to "Me" and then "Lord, Lord" and then 'have we not prophesied "in Your name", in Your name, in Your name (believer).....? Then it says titled in the Bible "The Sheep and Goats
Matthew 25:43-45
43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ 44 And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’…

Well I look at this verse:

Matthew 7: 21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
So the part especially 'depart from Me, you who practise lawlessness'/or who breaks God's law in another version, I still stand that God doesn't want us to "practise"/intentionally sin. God would even prompt us and through the Word guide us, leading us, we shouldn't practise sinning. Those are my thoughts.

And Jesus said for us to take up our cross and follow Him, that's His will. So believe and follow (both), that's true faith.

 

[thelord's_pearl]

Well I look at this verse:

Matthew 7: 21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
So the part especially 'depart from Me, you who practise lawlessness'/or who breaks God's law in another version, I still stand that God doesn't want us to "practise"/intentionally sin. God would even prompt us and through the Word guide us, leading us, we shouldn't practise sinning. Those are my thoughts.

No, it says, Not everyone who says to "Me" and then "Lord, Lord" and then 'have we not prophesied "in Your name", in Your name, in Your name (believers).....? Then it says titled in the Bible "The Sheep and Goats

Matthew 25:43-45

43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ 44 And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’…

it seems like God was saying for the deeds, if you did not do for the "least" of these then you will not be going to heaven (so you can lose salvation there), but it does not talk about sinning so I don't know, can anyone help?
Also, I looked in Matthew 16:24
Matthew 16:24
24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 25 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26 For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
it says then He will "reward" each according to His works, but that seems to just be talking about "reward" in heaven, but not salvation. What are other's thoughts on this? Thanks!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

but then the "repent or perish", why is there a contradiction, or is it? Thanks this can really help me right now.

It helps when you read the KJV or NKJV, and not the modern liberal versions. There IS a condition.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

It is best to never take scripture out of context.

 

[Phoneman777]

I “ obey” Jesus by going by His latest “ Marching Orders”......Those “ orders” were to “ Follow Paul “..

Paul said that the Way to be Saved was to BELIEVE “His” Gospel ( the One Given to Him by Jesus ) .... the One Found In 1Cor15 :1-4 .....

This automatically has me doing something of Vital Importance! It proves that I am doing “ The WILL Of The Father” ......what would that “ Will” be? It’s quite simple—— “ BELIEVE in the One that He sent”.....

Jesus spoke the Ten Commandments at Sinai - that makes them "His" commandments, not just to "follow Paul" and Paul agrees with me, and he says so below"

While Paul says the Mosaic law of ceremonies and sacrifices were to "vanish away" and were "nailed to the Cross", didn't Paul say:

"Steal no more"?
And, "honor thy father and mother?
And, "covetous" shall not enter the kingdom?
And, "idolaters" shall not enter the kingdom?
And, those who speak "blasphemies" shall not enter the kingdom?
And, "adulterers" and those who commit "murder" shall not enter the kingdom?

Yes, Paul agrees that the Ten Commandments are among "His commandments". Can I ask if you are keeping those?

 

[thelord's_pearl]

Luk_13:3 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Luk_13:5 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

All I know for sure is that if you sin, there are consequences, you will be punished, you will lose your reward in heaven. it says in the Bible, whoever breaks even the least of these commandments will be called least in the kingdom of heaven and I think that means that you will have the least in heaven while those who are called great in the kingdom of heaven will have a lot in heaven.
Also it's interesting when it says... whoever loses his life in this world will find it and whoever gains the whole world, will lose it. I think it means that if you humble yourself and always give to others, God will take care of you and always give more to you because he knows you will give and he would also reward you with things but whoever always tries to store up money for themselves for example, will find that God is not in favor of them.

And I find that there are works in faith in Christ that is required for salvation when I looked at scripture, for example, if you don't help the least/needy.

 

[Gospel Believer]

The OSAS need for everyone to 'be doing it', is the foolish attempt to avoid God's condemnation for sinning, because everyone is doing it.



I avoid “ Condemnation” by doing things God's Way...

“ There is therefore now No Condemnation for those that are in Christ Jesus”......and I got “ that” covered because I Rest in Pauls Gospel Of Pure Grace...
Grace rejectors That are WAY more “ SIN” Conscience than they are “ SON” Conscience just never “Get It”—— knowing and resting in the fact that there is no sin that can damn me because Jesus “ Died” for all of my sins makes me want to sin LESS— not More..... Christianity is “Wild” like that.....full of oxymorons..... “ the first shall be last”.....” you go up by going down”...... stuff like that...

 

[Gospel Believer]

Well I look at this verse:

Matthew 7: 21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
So the part especially 'depart from Me, you who practise lawlessness'/or who breaks God's law in another version, I still stand that God doesn't want us to "practise"/intentionally sin. God would even prompt us and through the Word guide us, leading us, we shouldn't practise sinning. Those are my thoughts.

Of course God doesn’t want us to sin! Who gets hurt ? WE do! And most of the time “ others” get hurt! Nobody, and especially God, wants that ! But I got a “News Flash” for those that are so obsessed with the problem of Sin.....God has a cure for it—- it’s called “Grace”......
“ It is *Grace* that teaches us to say ‘ no’ to sin”.......when Believers Sin , what are we told to do ? Are we told to beat ourselves over the head and then to go back to the Law of Moses and “ try harder” the next time? And fail? My Bible says that when we sin we are to go to the Throne of Grace to get what we need and we are to do it with “Boldness !”.......The more Faith one has in the Blood Of Jesus to pay for our sins, the Bolder a Believer can be......’ Where Sin abounds, Grace abounds that much more !”

If this sounds like a prescription to go out and “ sin up a Storm”, you are very much mistaken.....Don't Confuse Grace with “ Leniency”....get that knot out of your panties,all of you Legalists out there , because there ain’t Nobody “ getting away with” Anything! God will Chastise His Errant and/ or Foolish Children when they sin, and it will happen here in their Earthly existence.....and if God takes you to His “ Wood- Shed” and it fails to get the message across, He akways has the option to “ take you home” early......God will Nit be mocked, so relax—- it’s like I said—- nobody can sin and “ get by” ....

Eternally speaking, however, if you are a Believer who has “ Turned to God , with Faith in Christ Jesus to Save you”....... your Salvation is secure..... it was a “ Gift”, remember? And the Gifts of God are “ irrevocable”.....as Paul says, you might make it to Heaven , but it will be like a man that “ barely escapes a house fire”....

Still Think you can take advantage of Grace and get by with it? I agree with the great Bible Teacher , Charles Stanley on this one—— “try it! I dare you.”

 

[thelord's_pearl]

Oh sorry, it says, "if we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us", which should mean that if we say we have not sinned before or never sinned then we make him out to be a liar, but currently you can sin no more. Seriously, it can be hard to listen to God sometimes when there's another flesh desire, but other than that, sin, Satan and his ways, always has something wrong with its ways: either you hurt yourself or others or both or else it's not a good thing.

 

[Gospel Believer]

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


There are just Two Types Of Religion—- the Religion Of Cain and the Religion Of Abel.....

Notice how those types that are about to be damned are all about what “ THEY” did? That’s the religion of Cain....God would not accept that 6000 years ago, and He will not be accepting it come Judgement Day either....

Those that God “WILL “ accept are those that go by the religion of Abel —- All Abel did was to do things God’s Way.....He put His Faith in the Shed Blood Of an Innocent one.....we are to do the same....It’s all about what Jesus did * FOR” us—- not what “ *WE” did......don’t wait until it is too late to learn that lesson....

 

[thelord's_pearl]

How about when Jesus said "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.........'depart from Me, you who practise lawlessness!' " What does that mean? That certainly means salvation can be lost and if you practise lawlessness!

 

[Gospel Believer]

And I find that there are works in faith in Christ that is required for salvation when I looked at scripture, for example, if you don't help the least/needy.


If you don’t help the needy, you will find out that God may not help “YOU” in “YOUR” time of need....it has NOTHING to do with your Salvation.....
Your “ requirements” may sound noble and holy, but they are Additions to Pauls Gospel Of Grace—- Don't confuse what you “ should” do with what you “ Must” do......it can get you in serious trouble.....read Galatians ( it’s only six chapters) ..... discover what “ Falling from Grace” REALLY means.....