What does Our Savior consider Idolatry

[bbyrd009]

God gave us Holidays! Passover, 7 days of unleavened bread,First Fruits, Pentecost, which is the feast of weeks 7 weeks + 1 day 50. But now we observe Man made Holidays, that are not of God at all! How do we Justify!

ha ya, seems impossible, until we observe that pure hearted people observe other holidays that we might not agree with, and we are commanded not to dispute holidays. Galatians 4:10 You observe special days, months, seasons, and years. (You are trying to earn favor with God by observing certain days or months or seasons or years.)

 

[ScottA]

First you say that we have Liberty! to celebrate, Christmas, Easter, Halloween, which are watered down forms of Idol, false Deity, worship!
Which God said that we should not inquire, how they serve and worship their gods, and use them to worship Me! It is an Abomination! then as an answer to my statement, you say No, not at all, that God has not changed! so does God still consider what we use as an Worship, if it comes from Idol worship an Abomination! I understand that we are a new creation, a peculiar people, some to Everlasting life and some to Shame and everlasting Contempt. Personally how can we justify, rejecting what God said, by claiming to have Liberty, to be disobedient! What was the Very reason that Gods Chosen People, were Exiled from the Promise Land! Do you realize that the Religious Leaders at the time Our Savior! Had Created a Religion, far from what Moses taught, Orthodox Judaism is the same as what the Pharisees were teaching 2000 years ago. What was John the Baptist trying to get the People to Repent from? John was Baptizing before Jesus came to him! John baptized hundreds before our Savior started His Ministry! The Sadducee's didn't believe in the Resurrection, Jesus rebuked them for taking advantage of the Widows! Jesus was almost always Refuting the Pharisees, for their mans made Traditions. For the Traditions of men Make the Word of God to NO Effect. God gave us Holidays! Passover, 7 days of unleavened bread,First Fruits, Pentecost, which is the feast of weeks 7 weeks + 1 day 50. But now we observe Man made Holidays, that are not of God at all! How do we Justify!

Sorry, you misunderstand me.

There is a difference between the unsaved doing those things you describe and the saved doing what is not unlawful to them any longer - "to such there is no law." The difference, is that there is no rebellion in the actions of one who is in Christ.

Those who are not in Christ are subject to the law, but Christ, having fulfilled the law, is no more under it, but has risen above it. All sin and offence has been put away from Him. Thus, those who are in Christ, though we walk in the same world as the unsaved, we are no longer of the fallen world. The world and kingdom we live in is within, and so, even though we walk among those who perish, we do not walk in darkness, but in the light of Christ. Meaning, we can walk into a bar or knock on the same door and trick or treat among the dead without offence - because we do not celebrate death, but life.

Nonetheless, there is behavior "unbecoming" of those who have been lifted out of darkness, a line that should not be crossed. But just as the apostle John said that those who are in Christ "do not sin", it is not even possible.

To this, some would say that certainly all continue to sin - which they say against John's testimony. Some would even quote Paul saying that those things that he does not want to do, he does, and those things he wants to do, he does not do. But those speak of a generation who were just for the first time coming to understand and receive the Holy Spirit and the spirit of Christ living in them. In whom there was wavering and misunderstanding - but that was not the last word. The last word, is:

1 John 3:6
Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

 

[epostle1]

right, and praying to someone other than God is a completely different subject i guess.

You brought it up. The thread is about idolatry. Misunderstanding prayers is one thing, refusing to understand after explanations is something else. There are places in scripture where prayers are not given to God but to someone else, it is not idolatry. That discussion does not belong on this thread, that you are trying to derail.

 

[bbyrd009]

The thread is about idolatry.

well, if they are different, then i apologize

 

[epostle1]

First you say that we have Liberty! to celebrate, Christmas, Easter, Halloween, which are watered down forms of Idol, false Deity, worship!

Christmas and Easter are not concessions to idolatry. They are largely cultural holidays with heavy Christian influence. You must live in a scary world. I hope you don't have children.

Martin Luther Day, Oct. 31, coincides with Halloween. According to your logic, the founder of Protestantism is a pagan and idolatror. I do not support this ridiculous non sequitur and you should stop making them up.

 

[tabletalk]

Sorry, you misunderstand me.

There is a difference between the unsaved doing those things you describe and the saved doing what is not unlawful to them any longer - "to such there is no law." The difference, is that there is no rebellion in the actions of one who is in Christ.

Those who are not in Christ are subject to the law, but Christ, having fulfilled the law, is no more under it, but has risen above it. All sin and offence has been put away from Him. Thus, those who are in Christ, though we walk in the same world as the unsaved, we are no longer of the fallen world. The world and kingdom we live in is within, and so, even though we walk among those who perish, we do not walk in darkness, but in the light of Christ. Meaning, we can walk into a bar or knock on the same door and trick or treat among the dead without offence - because we do not celebrate death, but life.

Nonetheless, there is behavior "unbecoming" of those who have been lifted out of darkness, a line that should not be crossed. But just as the apostle John said that those who are in Christ "do not sin", it is not even possible.

To this, some would say that certainly all continue to sin - which they say against John's testimony. Some would even quote Paul saying that those things that he does not want to do, he does, and those things he wants to do, he does not do. But those speak of a generation who were just for the first time coming to understand and receive the Holy Spirit and the spirit of Christ living in them. In whom there was wavering and misunderstanding - but that was not the last word. The last word, is:

1 John 3:6
Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

"But those speak of a generation who were just for the first time coming to understand and receive the Holy Spirit and the spirit of Christ living in them. In whom there was wavering and misunderstanding - but that was not the last word."

The Word is God-breathed. I might misunderstand it, but by faith I believe it does not waver anywhere in the Scriptures. Paul's words have the same authority as John's words.
It's simple: Paul says a believer, such as himself, serves, with the mind, the law of God; and with the flesh the law of sin.
Two natures continue in a believer til the death of the body.

 

[epostle1]

well, if they are different, then i apologize

Accepted.

 

[bbyrd009]

Thus, those who are in Christ, though we walk in the same world as the unsaved, we are no longer of the fallen world.

(you do not have to prove that i have committed a sin, under the law; i will admit it, in open court)(etc)

 

[bbyrd009]

Meaning, we can walk into a bar or knock on the same door and trick or treat among the dead without offence - because we do not celebrate death, but life.

hmm

Nonetheless, there is behavior "unbecoming" of those who have been lifted out of darkness, a line that should not be crossed.

guess everyone's line is different

But just as the apostle John said that those who are in Christ "do not sin", it is not even possible.

Everyone who has been born of God does not sin, because His seed remains in him; he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God.

 

[ScottA]

"But those speak of a generation who were just for the first time coming to understand and receive the Holy Spirit and the spirit of Christ living in them. In whom there was wavering and misunderstanding - but that was not the last word."

The Word is God-breathed. I might misunderstand it, but by faith I believe it does not waver anywhere in the Scriptures. Paul's words have the same authority as John's words.
It's simple: Paul says a believer, such as himself, serves, with the mind, the law of God; and with the flesh the law of sin.
Two natures continue in a believer til the death of the body.

This too, speaks of the wavering between mind and flesh...which is not true even according to Paul, who clearly stated that if we are in Christ, we are "a new creation", "old things have passed and all things have been made new."

But I would suggest that this is just as Jesus spoke of the time of Moses, saying "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so." In which case, it was no contradiction, but by the mercy of God which Paul spoke, but rather the greater truth was plainly told by John. Therefore the authority is indeed the same, but the greater truth only came when the point was complete.

 

[ScottA]

(you do not have to prove that i have committed a sin, under the law; i will admit it, in open court)(etc)

Indeed, if we are in Christ, we have confessed already, and the matter "is finished."

 

[bbyrd009]

Indeed, if we are in Christ, we have confessed already, and the matter "is finished."

hmm. As long as you confess again when you sin, i guess, sure.

 

[Job]

What does Our Savior consider Idolatry

Deuteronomy 4
15 “Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire,
16 lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female,

 

[Job]

Romans 1
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

 

[Job]

1 Corinthians 11
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.
>snip<
14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?
15 But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering.

 

[ScottA]

hmm. As long as you confess again when you sin, i guess, sure.

Careful...such talk gives life to the old you that was dead...

 

[Richard_oti]

ha ya, seems impossible, until we observe that pure hearted people observe other holidays that we might not agree with, and we are commanded not to dispute holidays. Galatians 4:10 You observe special days, months, seasons, and years. (You are trying to earn favor with God by observing certain days or months or seasons or years.)

Considering the culture of Galatia, I have considered that in Galatians 4:10, Paul was referring unto Deuteronomy.

Gal 4:8 Howbeit at that time, not knowing God, ye were in bondage to them that by nature are no gods: 9 but now that ye have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how turn ye back again to the weak and beggarly rudiments, whereunto ye desire to be in bondage over again? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and seasons, and years.

Deut 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch

And not the appointed times of "God". However, it is just an opinion.

 

[tabletalk]

From the CCC: 2112. The first commandment condemns polytheism. It requires man neither to believe in, nor to venerate, other divinities than the one true God. Scripture constantly recalls this rejection of "idols, [of] silver and gold, the work of men's hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see." These empty idols make their worshippers empty: "Those who make them are like them; so are all who trust in them."42God, however, is the "living God"43 who gives life and intervenes in history.

The OP question:
What does Our Savior consider Idolatry (?)

Any physical object:
1. The eucharist of the Catholic Church.
2. A man who calls himself Jesus.

 

[bbyrd009]

Considering the culture of Galatia, I have considered that in Galatians 4:10, Paul was referring unto Deuteronomy.

Gal 4:8 Howbeit at that time, not knowing God, ye were in bondage to them that by nature are no gods: 9 but now that ye have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how turn ye back again to the weak and beggarly rudiments, whereunto ye desire to be in bondage over again? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and seasons, and years.

Deut 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch

And not the appointed times of "God". However, it is just an opinion.

Christmas and etc, maybe ya. That wasn't the "don't dispute holidays" v exactly, should prolly dig that up too.

 

[Richard_oti]

Christmas and etc, maybe ya. That wasn't the "don't dispute holidays" v exactly, should prolly dig that up too.

Perhaps Col 2:16.