What does Our Savior consider Idolatry

[Truth]

It is not God who changes....but...hopefully, people. You know, like, "repent", "a new creation", "all things have been made new", etc..

So what you are saying is, that God does not change, and that through our Savior, we have the Liberty to use whatever form of worship known to Man, any worldly form of worship! and as long as we Declare that it is to God and Savior!! it is OK. Even if it was established By the Mouth Of God to Be an Abomination?

 

[Job]

Even if it was established By the Mouth Of God to Be an Abomination?

God made reference to that well known image of Jesus twice. He condemned it both times and yet people still treat that thing as if it were God Himself.

There is going to be a lot of rude awakenings come Judgement Day.

 

[ScottA]

So what you are saying is, that God does not change, and that through our Savior, we have the Liberty to use whatever form of worship known to Man, any worldly form of worship! and as long as we Declare that it is to God and Savior!! it is OK. Even if it was established By the Mouth Of God to Be an Abomination?

No, not at all. God is the same yesterday, today and forever...but we, we are all changed: "Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt."

 

[Stranger]

I know that God considered worshiping an Idol, equal to Adultery Between the people and Him!
At Mount Sinai, the Israelite s had Aaron make a golden calf, which was something that they had learned in Egypt, the Bull & Cow gods. Then Aaron declared, tomorrow is a Feast to the Lord, God was so Angry that He wanted to French-Fry everyone. Let My Wrath Wax Hot against them!
Then God goes to the extent of telling them through Moses, Do Not!, Do Not learn by Inquiring how they, [the people in the land, Canaanites] serve and worship their gods. Do not learn what they do, do not learn their rituals, and Do the Same! And say you are using these same rituals as a Worship to ME , It is an Abomination, For everything they do, even burning their sons and daughters in the fires to their gods, I Hate!!

Acts 15:20
Douay Rheims Version- An English translation of the Latin Vulgate, Sept 1st 1899
20- But that we write unto them, that they refrain themselves from pollutions of Idols.
KJV
20- But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of Idols.
NKJV
20- But we write to them to abstain from things polluted by Idols.
I know that in 1st Corinthians, chapt 8:1 Paul exhorts about[ things offered to Idols] concerning foods or meats! Also in !0: 25-30 again! foods and or meats! I am not talking Kosher, although I keep Kosher! That is not my point!!! If someone offered me B B Q lamb it would be hard to turn down, offered to Idols or not, But for conscience sake I would!
My point! Is there anything besides food that can be polluted by Idols?

Something as simple as 'disobedience' to God is idolatry. To know God's will in a matter and to do opposite is idolatry. (1 Sam.15:22-23) "And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt-offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry...."

Covetousness and sexual lust is also idolatry. Pornography is idolatry. (Col. 3:5) "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry."

Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

judge not, lest you be judged

 

[FHII]

Concerning eating meats offered to idols, Paul wasn't concerned with "you" doing it as much as he was with how it would affect weak brethren. If you look at 1 cor 8 and 10, he isn't particularly thrilled with it, but he says idols are nothing and eat what is set before you without asking questions. BUT is a younger brother (in the Lord) is bothered by it, don't offend him with your liberty.

As for whether there are other things sacrificed to idols... Well, most of our calendar has pagan names attached to it for starters! There's also the Olympics and most superhero movies (Thor, Wonder Woman for example). Hate to say it, but many of our holidays also reportedly borrow from paganism.

 

[bbyrd009]

As for whether there are other things sacrificed to idols... Well, most of our calendar has pagan names attached to it for starters! There's also the Olympics and most superhero movies (Thor, Wonder Woman for example). Hate to say it, but many of our holidays also reportedly borrow from paganism.

ha, you've barely started i guess, all of the planets, the Capitol of the US ("District of Columbia"), on and on. and on.

 

[DPMartin]

God made reference to that well known image of Jesus twice. He condemned it both times and yet people still treat that thing as if it were God Himself.

There is going to be a lot of rude awakenings come Judgement Day.

I don't see where they are not aware of what they do. the only inanimate objects I talk to are the car when I have to fix it, and the computer when it doesn't know what I want to do. but I don't expect them to respond in some way. and its brain dead to think that an inanimate object will save your day, let alone one's soul.

art has its service in the case of the likes of the catholic church, whereas the masses surly were unable to read. but to kneel to, or before such isn't wise.

 

[epostle1]

Idolatry

2112 The first commandment condemns polytheism. It requires man neither to believe in, nor to venerate, other divinities than the one true God. Scripture constantly recalls this rejection of "idols, [of] silver and gold, the work of men's hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see." These empty idols make their worshippers empty: "Those who make them are like them; so are all who trust in them."42God, however, is the "living God"43 who gives life and intervenes in history.

2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, "You cannot serve God and mammon."44 Many martyrs died for not adoring "the Beast"45 refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God.46

2114 Human life finds its unity in the adoration of the one God. The commandment to worship the Lord alone integrates man and saves him from an endless disintegration. Idolatry is a perversion of man's innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who "transfers his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God."47
CCC 2112-2114

 

[epostle1]

art has its service in the case of the likes of the catholic church, whereas the masses surly were unable to read. but to kneel to, or before such isn't wise.

I completely agree, if kneeling is not ultimately directed to God. Veneration does not stop at art (paintings, statues). If a Catholic is worshiping art, there is definitely idolatry going on there, but that would require an I.Q. of -2.

Deut. 5:8 – God’s commandment “thou shall not make a graven image” is entirely connected to the worship of false gods. God does not prohibit images to be used in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped.

Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31 – for example, God commands the making of the image of a golden cherubim. This heavenly image, of course, is not worshiped by the Israelites. Instead, the image disposes their minds to the supernatural and draws them to God. That is not idolatry.

 

[DPMartin]

I completely agree, if kneeling is not ultimately directed to God. Veneration does not stop at art (paintings, statues). If a Catholic is worshiping art, there is definitely idolatry going on there, but that would require an I.Q. of -2.

Deut. 5:8 – God’s commandment “thou shall not make a graven image” is entirely connected to the worship of false gods. God does not prohibit images to be used in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped.

Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31 – for example, God commands the making of the image of a golden cherubim. This heavenly image, of course, is not worshiped by the Israelites. Instead, the image disposes their minds to the supernatural and draws them to God. That is not idolatry.

though your right about the -2 IQ its been done before for thousands of years by millions and still is with other religions today.

though I get your position as catholic the whole of what went on in the desert was a image of God's Kingdom of Heaven in earth or at the least the coming thereof. any one who knew what Heaven looks like, knew it was the Almighty.

 

[bbyrd009]

That is not idolatry.

sounds good, until you mention that many Catholics pray to Mary, or Jesus. Sheesh already

 

[Job]

Anyone referring to this image as Jesus is an idolater. It's that simple.

 

[DPMartin]

sounds good, until you mention that many Catholics pray to Mary, or Jesus. Sheesh already

though that is an issue, that's not exactly what was being said. thing is, all churches are guilty of human nature, which is capable of anything ungodly, but its a matter of the Lord's influence therein. which is why when people go one about how righter or more gooder their church is, na, na na na. the whole purpose of a truly Christian Church is supposed to be about how close to the Lord one can be.

 

[DPMartin]

Anyone referring to this image as Jesus is an idolater. It's that simple.

what are you doin Job, showing us your photo album again?

 

[Job]

what are you doin Job, showing us your photo album again?

That's all you could come up with?

 

[DPMartin]

That's all you could come up with?

it seems to have been effective enough, you responded to it didn't you? don't need a Ferrari if a VW will do the job

 

[epostle1]

sounds good, until you mention that many Catholics pray to Mary, or Jesus. Sheesh already

The thread is about idolatry.

though that is an issue, that's not exactly what was being said. thing is, all churches are guilty of human nature, which is capable of anything ungodly, but its a matter of the Lord's influence therein. which is why when people go one about how righter or more gooder their church is, na, na na na. the whole purpose of a truly Christian Church is supposed to be about how close to the Lord one can be.

An excellent point.

 

[bbyrd009]

The thread is about idolatry.

right, and praying to someone other than God is a completely different subject i guess.

 

[Truth]

No, not at all. God is the same yesterday, today and forever...but we, we are all changed: "Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt."

First you say that we have Liberty! to celebrate, Christmas, Easter, Halloween, which are watered down forms of Idol, false Deity, worship!
Which God said that we should not inquire, how they serve and worship their gods, and use them to worship Me! It is an Abomination! then as an answer to my statement, you say No, not at all, that God has not changed! so does God still consider what we use as an Worship, if it comes from Idol worship an Abomination! I understand that we are a new creation, a peculiar people, some to Everlasting life and some to Shame and everlasting Contempt. Personally how can we justify, rejecting what God said, by claiming to have Liberty, to be disobedient! What was the Very reason that Gods Chosen People, were Exiled from the Promise Land! Do you realize that the Religious Leaders at the time Our Savior! Had Created a Religion, far from what Moses taught, Orthodox Judaism is the same as what the Pharisees were teaching 2000 years ago. What was John the Baptist trying to get the People to Repent from? John was Baptizing before Jesus came to him! John baptized hundreds before our Savior started His Ministry! The Sadducee's didn't believe in the Resurrection, Jesus rebuked them for taking advantage of the Widows! Jesus was almost always Refuting the Pharisees, for their mans made Traditions. For the Traditions of men Make the Word of God to NO Effect. God gave us Holidays! Passover, 7 days of unleavened bread,First Fruits, Pentecost, which is the feast of weeks 7 weeks + 1 day 50. But now we observe Man made Holidays, that are not of God at all! How do we Justify!