What Gal 1:6 and 7 mean?

[dan p]

Hi to all and this is how I see what Paul means in Galatians , and that is to show that we are not under the Law , but under Grace .

Gal 1:6 , I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the Grace of Christ unto another gospel , which is gratly misunderstood by many .

#1 , The Greek word for " removed " is METATITHEMI , and means " to change , to transpose " two things , one of which is put in place of the other , " to transfer " .

#2 , it is a verb in the Present tense , Passive voice , and Indicative mood which teaches us 3 things .

#3 , The Present tense , says that this was going on at the time Paul heard about it .

#4 , The Passive voice , means that the Kingdom preachers with their Gospel were causing the change ,

#5 , The Indicative mo9od means that this was an actual condition taking place in the Galatian churches , not just something made up by Paul so that he could write a letter .

Here is a word for word translation of verse 6 , " I marvel that you are being changed so quickly from the One having called you by ( the ) Grace of Christ to ANOTHER gospel of a DIFFERENT KIND .

#6 , The word " another " is the Greek word HETEROS , which means " other , another , different ".


#7 , The meaning that it has here is " ANOTHER OF A DIFFERENT KIND " .

#8 , To use the Phrase " another of the same kind " would not make sense !

#9 , What does the Phrase " another of a different kind " mean ??

#10 , There are 2 views in regard to this gospel .

#11 , one view is that it refers " to a false gospel " , a gospel that the cults preach , and this interpretation is one of the Biggest Blunders in this age today , because the term " false gospel " is not used in the bible . The bible does say that there are " false Christs , false brethren , false apostles , false teachers , false prophets and false witnessess, but there is not Greek word for " FALSE GOSPEL ".


#12 , tHE SECOND view point is this , that the Gospel of a Different kind is the Gospel of the Kingdom and this Kingdom Gospel is NOT a false gospel but a legitimate gospel in Paul's time that was preached by our Lord Himself and the 12 apostles before and after the death of Christ ..

#13 , But when the GOSPEL of the Grace of God was revealed to the Apostle Paul , sometime after Acts 9 , THEN the Gospel of the Kingdom became a different Gospel .

The word " GOSPEL " is the Greek word EUAGGELION , and means " glad tiding , good news , and gospel . " and Paul used this noun more than any bible writer . This was because he was given a NEW gospel , and the Lord revealed more truth in detail about this new gospel than He did about the Gospel of the Kingdom that was preached to Israel .

The Gospel of the Grace of God is basically a gospel dealing with Spiritual relationships , and these relationships are dealt with by Paul in his epistles . This why Paul has mo0re to say about the Gospel than anyone else . dan p

 

[Butch5]

Hi to all and this is how I see what Paul means in Galatians , and that is to show that we are not under the Law , but under Grace .

Gal 1:6 , I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the Grace of Christ unto another gospel , which is gratly misunderstood by many .

#1 , The Greek word for " removed " is METATITHEMI , and means " to change , to transpose " two things , one of which is put in place of the other , " to transfer " .

#2 , it is a verb in the Present tense , Passive voice , and Indicative mood which teaches us 3 things .

#3 , The Present tense , says that this was going on at the time Paul heard about it .

#4 , The Passive voice , means that the Kingdom preachers with their Gospel were causing the change ,

#5 , The Indicative mo9od means that this was an actual condition taking place in the Galatian churches , not just something made up by Paul so that he could write a letter .

Here is a word for word translation of verse 6 , " I marvel that you are being changed so quickly from the One having called you by ( the ) Grace of Christ to ANOTHER gospel of a DIFFERENT KIND .

#6 , The word " another " is the Greek word HETEROS , which means " other , another , different ".


#7 , The meaning that it has here is " ANOTHER OF A DIFFERENT KIND " .

#8 , To use the Phrase " another of the same kind " would not make sense !

#9 , What does the Phrase " another of a different kind " mean ??

#10 , There are 2 views in regard to this gospel .

#11 , one view is that it refers " to a false gospel " , a gospel that the cults preach , and this interpretation is one of the Biggest Blunders in this age today , because the term " false gospel " is not used in the bible . The bible does say that there are " false Christs , false brethren , false apostles , false teachers , false prophets and false witnessess, but there is not Greek word for " FALSE GOSPEL ".


#12 , tHE SECOND view point is this , that the Gospel of a Different kind is the Gospel of the Kingdom and this Kingdom Gospel is NOT a false gospel but a legitimate gospel in Paul's time that was preached by our Lord Himself and the 12 apostles before and after the death of Christ ..

#13 , But when the GOSPEL of the Grace of God was revealed to the Apostle Paul , sometime after Acts 9 , THEN the Gospel of the Kingdom became a different Gospel .

The word " GOSPEL " is the Greek word EUAGGELION , and means " glad tiding , good news , and gospel . " and Paul used this noun more than any bible writer . This was because he was given a NEW gospel , and the Lord revealed more truth in detail about this new gospel than He did about the Gospel of the Kingdom that was preached to Israel .

The Gospel of the Grace of God is basically a gospel dealing with Spiritual relationships , and these relationships are dealt with by Paul in his epistles . This why Paul has mo0re to say about the Gospel than anyone else . dan p

No Dan, it is not a "New" gospel, we've been over this.


Ephesians 3:1-6 ( KJV )
For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The same mystery that was revealed to Paul was also revealed to the other apostles as Paul says so himself to the Ephesians

 

[burningfire]

Galatians 1:6-7 is talking about the perversion of the gospel. People follow a different gospel than what is preached.

Look at any pseudo-Christian sects..,they are perversions of the gospel. If you read on from that in verses 8-10...you see what happens to them who preaches a different gospel.

It is not a "new" gospel he is talking about, it is talking about a perverted gospel.

 

[charlesj]

Hi to all and this is how I see what Paul means in Galatians , and that is to show that we are not under the Law , but under Grace .

Gal 1:6 , I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the Grace of Christ unto another gospel , which is gratly misunderstood by many .

#1 , The Greek word for " removed " is METATITHEMI , and means " to change , to transpose " two things , one of which is put in place of the other , " to transfer " .

#2 , it is a verb in the Present tense , Passive voice , and Indicative mood which teaches us 3 things .

#3 , The Present tense , says that this was going on at the time Paul heard about it .

#4 , The Passive voice , means that the Kingdom preachers with their Gospel were causing the change ,

#5 , The Indicative mo9od means that this was an actual condition taking place in the Galatian churches , not just something made up by Paul so that he could write a letter .

Here is a word for word translation of verse 6 , " I marvel that you are being changed so quickly from the One having called you by ( the ) Grace of Christ to ANOTHER gospel of a DIFFERENT KIND .

#6 , The word " another " is the Greek word HETEROS , which means " other , another , different ".


#7 , The meaning that it has here is " ANOTHER OF A DIFFERENT KIND " .

#8 , To use the Phrase " another of the same kind " would not make sense !

#9 , What does the Phrase " another of a different kind " mean ??

#10 , There are 2 views in regard to this gospel .

#11 , one view is that it refers " to a false gospel " , a gospel that the cults preach , and this interpretation is one of the Biggest Blunders in this age today , because the term " false gospel " is not used in the bible . The bible does say that there are " false Christs , false brethren , false apostles , false teachers , false prophets and false witnessess, but there is not Greek word for " FALSE GOSPEL ".


#12 , tHE SECOND view point is this , that the Gospel of a Different kind is the Gospel of the Kingdom and this Kingdom Gospel is NOT a false gospel but a legitimate gospel in Paul's time that was preached by our Lord Himself and the 12 apostles before and after the death of Christ ..

#13 , But when the GOSPEL of the Grace of God was revealed to the Apostle Paul , sometime after Acts 9 , THEN the Gospel of the Kingdom became a different Gospel .

The word " GOSPEL " is the Greek word EUAGGELION , and means " glad tiding , good news , and gospel . " and Paul used this noun more than any bible writer . This was because he was given a NEW gospel , and the Lord revealed more truth in detail about this new gospel than He did about the Gospel of the Kingdom that was preached to Israel .

The Gospel of the Grace of God is basically a gospel dealing with Spiritual relationships , and these relationships are dealt with by Paul in his epistles . This why Paul has mo0re to say about the Gospel than anyone else . dan p

Hello Dan p:





I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel; [sup]7[/sup]which is
not another gospel only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. (Gal 1:6,7)

When the apostle writes, “to pervert the gospel of Christ,” he is not thinking of what these preverters actually teach. This perversion is
an actual and a complete perversion and not merely a willingness to pervert. Paul is thinking of the gospel of Christ which the Galatians had received from him. This gospel these preventers wanted to upset
in the hearts of the Galatians so that the Galatians should no longer believe it. Paul is writing in order to prevent these perverters success.

It seems to me that if you read Galatians, you will see that these Judaizers are trying to convert Christ into another Moses.

If you look at Paul and Peter’s sermons you will see something in common. Peter’s first
sermon (Acts 2:14ff) and Paul’s first (recorded) sermon (Acts 13:16ff) preached the gospel. Notice each spoke the gospel, “death, burial
and resurrection” of Messiah, Jesus.

That’s it; the gospel in a nutshell is the (1) death, (2) burial & (3) resurrection of Messiah.

Paul said in 1 Cor 4:17 “…what I preach I in one church (assembly) I preach the
same in all.” (My words)

As you go through the N.T. notice there is a “pattern” of preaching. As a matter of fact, in Romans 6:3ff Paul is speaking
to some Christians and tells them, (my words again, in southern Texas accent) Hey fellows, don’t you know when you were baptized, YOU WERE BURIED WITH HIM!! (NOTICE verse 8 says, “…if you died WITH HIM,
then you shall LIVE WITH HIM.”) Now take a look at some pattern preaching. Look at verse 17 and 18 of this same chapter.


[sup]Rom.[/sup][sup] 6[/sup][sup]:17[/sup]But thanks be to God, that, whereas ye were servants of sin, ye became obedient
from the heart to that form of teaching whereunto ye were delivered; [sup]18[/sup]and
being made free from sin, ye became servants of righteousness.” (Rom 6:17,18)

Now you want to see “pattern” preaching? This word “form” is the Greek word “TUPOS.” Tupos is used in Hebrew 8:5 when Moses was
told to build the tabernacle according to a PATTERN (TUPOS)!

So, tupos means “pattern or mold”.

What does this all mean? In Galatians 1:6,7 the apostle Paul had delivered a “mold or pattern of doctrine” to the Galatians and
someone had perverted it. He is mad! If you look around and you see 38,000 denominations in the United States (growing by five per day) it will
make you mad.

So, verses in Rom 6:3,4 Paul tells these Christians “…you were baptized (after you repented, confessed
Christ) and then you were buried WITH HIM (baptized)… Then he continues his thought and says, you obeyed that “pattern”
of doctrine (gospel, repent, confess His Son, be baptized) from the heart (faith).



At this time you were “…made free from sin and you became servants of righteousness.”v.18 (You become Slaves to Christ)

When one obeys the faith (gospel) they die (to their sins), buried (in water) and resurrect to a new person. You “emulate” what Christ
did. He died (for your sins), was buried, & was resurrected and returned to the glory He had.

Many priests “obeyed the gospel” (Acts 6:7) These were Levitical priests that heard the
gospel and obeyed it.

May the Lord be with us,

Summary:

Remember, the gospel is “death, burial & resurrection” of Messiah.

How do you obey the gospel?
You die to your sins, (repent to the Father whom you have sinned
against), confess his Son, and then are buried WITH the Son (baptized).

Also, remember, “…the sum of thy Word is Truth.” (Psalms 119:160)

May the Lord be with us,

charlesj

 

[Alethos]

Would a better question be "What is the Gospel?"

It appears often in discussion threads like these some can be guilty of taking a negative and almost destructive approach to passages like Galatians 1.

The upside is the Apostle Paul is reminding the Brethren & Sisters of how precious the true Gospel of Christ is when received in its original form; as delivered to them by the Apostles and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Consider the below verse from the Epistle and ask yourself what is the True Gospel and where does Paul want to take us to look to find it?

Gal 3:7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.

Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith (through Jesus Christ), preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed."

ALL NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED THROUGH YOU:

This was God's promise to Abraham before he left his native Ur to go to the land of promise (Gen 12:3). This purpose was repeated as the ground of God's communication concerning the overthrow of Sodom. 'Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?' (Gen 18:17,18).

Note: Keep in mind Abraham did not know Jesus personally, although look forward to his day John 5:56

But what is the blessing here promised?

Do you know all the blessings of land (Palestine) as far as his eyes could see, the blessings of a great name and mighty nation are “all” yet to happen (see Hebrews 11:39-40). Paul sees the Gospel as being preach before Jesus was crucified, before his resurrection and ascension. The atoning work in Jesus Christ was not preached until after his ascension to the Father and is secondary to a greater purpose.

So what is the Gospel?

As stated earlier the good news or glad tidings are established on great and precious promises (2 Peter 1:4) and the understanding of these promises is integral for our salvation.

This I believe is in part what the Apostle Paul was warning this first century church against – DONT move away from the Original Gospel as taught and understood by the Prophets of old.

Finally - Gal 3:29 is absolutely essential in connecting the promises made to Abraham and the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. So when we see the Apostles preaching the Gospel throughout the Acts of the Apostles how did they style the Gospel?

Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

Kingdom of God = Covenants of Promise between God and Adam & Eve, Noah, Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, David and even Jesus Christ (Luke 1:32-33) AND YOU & I a promised inheritence!

Name of Jesus Christ = Life, Death, Resurrection & Ascension (reconcilation)

Therefore the Kingdom of God has always from the beginning been preached first and is the primary motive of God to fulfill His eternal promise with the Earth Num 14:21 & Hab 2:14

God Bless you all

Alethos

 

[rockytopva]

Hi to all and this is how I see what Paul means in Galatians , and that is to show that we are not under the Law , but under Grace .

Gal 1:6 , I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the Grace of Christ unto another gospel

Taking the whole book of Galatians in context it is the experience of going out of the Spirit into the flesh. And another gospel I believe is getting into something such as the Jehovah's Witness or Mormonism. In which I say, that it is a challenge to keep the good walk up in the Spirit even in a good church!

 

[dan p]

No Dan, it is not a "New" gospel, we've been over this.


Ephesians 3:1-6 ( KJV )
For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The same mystery that was revealed to Paul was also revealed to the other apostles as Paul says so himself to the Ephesians

Hi Butch5 , how can Paul be apeaking to those UNDER a Covenant , the Jews and be speaking to Gentiles today , UNDER Grace ???

No Dan, it is not a "New" gospel, we've been over this.


Ephesians 3:1-6 ( KJV )
For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The same mystery that was revealed to Paul was also revealed to the other apostles as Paul says so himself to the Ephesians

Hi Butch5 , then there are two different Programs running at the same time ??? Law and Grace ???

 

[Alethos]

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[Alethos]

Dan P is correct.

The letter to the believers in Galatia focuses on the divisions that Jewish Christians were causing among new Gentile converts. These "Judaizers" were trying to convince the Gentiles that they needed to be circumcised and to keep the ritual law in order to be saved. Paul argues that both Jew and Gentile alike enjoy in Christ complete salvation. Reliance on the Law was only a bondage to death and could not produce life-giving freedom, as only Christ could grant that freedom. Paul was showing that all legalistic variations of the Gospel are perversions of it and should be shown as such.

Key verse: "We, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified" (Gal 2:16).

Hence the start of His Epistle...

that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, "crucified" among you? Paul is quoting from the Isaiah 53 which was written under law...very hurtful words really "among YOU" imagine how that felt?

So Paul asks the big question

This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Of course Paul goes on to show Abraham was before the Law at Sinai, therefore the righteousness attributed to Abraham was NOT by law, but by faith.

Dan P is correct in saying two mind sets are in play...those motivated by legal adherence and those motivated by moral practice, which is the inner man moved by the Spirit Mind of the Father.

We must never forget Paul is speaking about a message which can be heard, understood and practiced. Any distortion of this message can fall within the spirit of these verses.

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? You cannot move away from your first understand of the Gospel.

So the correct context of these verses is based in LAW vs. GRACE. Grace wins every time even before the Law was given (Law being righteous was only a schoolmaster leading them to Christ (Grace)

Alethos

 

[dan p]

No Dan, it is not a "New" gospel, we've been over this.


Ephesians 3:1-6 ( KJV )
For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The same mystery that was revealed to Paul was also revealed to the other apostles as Paul says so himself to the Ephesians

Hi Butch5 , and a literal translation of Eph 3:5 following , " which in different GENERATIONS was not MADE KNOWN to the sons of men , AS it is no0e revealed to His holy apostles and prophets by ( the ) Spirit .

And verse 6 , lets us all know what was hidden since the foundation of the world , and that is , that the Gentiles are to be Joint heirs and members of a joint body and joint partakers of His promise in Christ Jesus through the Gospel and the 12 NEVER preached this message ..

Generations in the Greek , means GENEA , in the plural ,, a Greek noun meaning " generation , offspring , family , race , kind ."

the phrase , " has been hidden " of Col 1:26 is parallel with the phrase " was not made known " of Eph 3:5 .

The 12 never taught what you allude to , and what was written more than 30 years later and Paul says in Gal 1:12 , that Paul received it by Revelation of Jesus Christ , and the other apostles were those who helped Paul , like Barnabas .

No one can produce a verse where the 12 , who were Jews and Law keepers EVER preached the Dispensation of the Mystery of Eph 3:1-9 for we are NOT under no Covenant like the Jews and Peter were , dan p

 

[Butch5]

Hi Butch5 , and a literal translation of Eph 3:5 following , " which in different GENERATIONS was not MADE KNOWN to the sons of men , AS it is no0e revealed to His holy apostles and prophets by ( the ) Spirit .

And verse 6 , lets us all know what was hidden since the foundation of the world , and that is , that the Gentiles are to be Joint heirs and members of a joint body and joint partakers of His promise in Christ Jesus through the Gospel and the 12 NEVER preached this message ..

Generations in the Greek , means GENEA , in the plural ,, a Greek noun meaning " generation , offspring , family , race , kind ."

the phrase , " has been hidden " of Col 1:26 is parallel with the phrase " was not made known " of Eph 3:5 .

The 12 never taught what you allude to , and what was written more than 30 years later and Paul says in Gal 1:12 , that Paul received it by Revelation of Jesus Christ , and the other apostles were those who helped Paul , like Barnabas .

No one can produce a verse where the 12 , who were Jews and Law keepers EVER preached the Dispensation of the Mystery of Eph 3:1-9 for we are NOT under no Covenant like the Jews and Peter were , dan p

My friend, did you read the passage? Paul said the mystery was revealed to Christ's apostles, plural, not singular. That means the mystery was revealed to more than just Paul. Yes, the mystery was given to him by revelation, that is because he did not wlak with Jesus for three years as did the 12., so he had to learn it somehow.

The believing Jews were not under the covenant, it seems that you are missing that point. another thing you seem to be missing is that Paul also kept many of the feast days when he was with the Jews. He said when he was with the Jews he lived as a Jew. Are you suggesting that Paul preached one gospel but lived another, really?

 

[dan p]

Dan P is correct.

The letter to the believers in Galatia focuses on the divisions that Jewish Christians were causing among new Gentile converts. These "Judaizers" were trying to convince the Gentiles that they needed to be circumcised and to keep the ritual law in order to be saved. Paul argues that both Jew and Gentile alike enjoy in Christ complete salvation. Reliance on the Law was only a bondage to death and could not produce life-giving freedom, as only Christ could grant that freedom. Paul was showing that all legalistic variations of the Gospel are perversions of it and should be shown as such.

Key verse: "We, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified" (Gal 2:16).

Hence the start of His Epistle...

that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, "crucified" among you? Paul is quoting from the Isaiah 53 which was written under law...very hurtful words really "among YOU" imagine how that felt?

So Paul asks the big question

This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Of course Paul goes on to show Abraham was before the Law at Sinai, therefore the righteousness attributed to Abraham was NOT by law, but by faith.

Dan P is correct in saying two mind sets are in play...those motivated by legal adherence and those motivated by moral practice, which is the inner man moved by the Spirit Mind of the Father.

We must never forget Paul is speaking about a message which can be heard, understood and practiced. Any distortion of this message can fall within the spirit of these verses.

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? You cannot move away from your first understand of the Gospel.

So the correct context of these verses is based in LAW vs. GRACE. Grace wins every time even before the Law was given (Law being righteous was only a schoolmaster leading them to Christ (Grace)

Alethos

Hi Truth , and you are right on , dan p

 

[Butch5]

Dan P is correct.

The letter to the believers in Galatia focuses on the divisions that Jewish Christians were causing among new Gentile converts. These "Judaizers" were trying to convince the Gentiles that they needed to be circumcised and to keep the ritual law in order to be saved. Paul argues that both Jew and Gentile alike enjoy in Christ complete salvation. Reliance on the Law was only a bondage to death and could not produce life-giving freedom, as only Christ could grant that freedom. Paul was showing that all legalistic variations of the Gospel are perversions of it and should be shown as such.

Key verse: "We, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified" (Gal 2:16).

Hence the start of His Epistle...

that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, "crucified" among you? Paul is quoting from the Isaiah 53 which was written under law...very hurtful words really "among YOU" imagine how that felt?

So Paul asks the big question

This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Of course Paul goes on to show Abraham was before the Law at Sinai, therefore the righteousness attributed to Abraham was NOT by law, but by faith.

Dan P is correct in saying two mind sets are in play...those motivated by legal adherence and those motivated by moral practice, which is the inner man moved by the Spirit Mind of the Father.

We must never forget Paul is speaking about a message which can be heard, understood and practiced. Any distortion of this message can fall within the spirit of these verses.

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? You cannot move away from your first understand of the Gospel.

So the correct context of these verses is based in LAW vs. GRACE. Grace wins every time even before the Law was given (Law being righteous was only a schoolmaster leading them to Christ (Grace)

Alethos

It's not Law and Grace that Dan is contrasting, it is two different gospels that he is proposing.

 

[Butch5]

Hi Butch5 , how can Paul be apeaking to those UNDER a Covenant , the Jews and be speaking to Gentiles today , UNDER Grace ???

Dan, just read the letter. The letter to the Epheisians is to both Jew and Gentile.

Also, notice Paul's wprds in chapter one.

Ephesians 1:8-10 ( KJV )
Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

This mystery is the same mystery he speaks of in Chapter three and here he says that God made it known to the Jews.

Hi Butch5 , then there are two different Programs running at the same time ??? Law and Grace ???

No, the Law is over, it has been since Christ instituted the new covenant. Paul said that Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to those who believe.

Romans 10:4 ( KJV )
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

[charlesj]

It's not Law and Grace that Dan is contrasting, it is two different gospels that he is proposing.

Hello Dan, Butch and Truth:


I haven’t been following the thread real close and I hope I not jumping into a pile of mud. But the idea I get is you are saying that the
apostle Paul (but, not the 12) knew that the Gentiles (the mystery) were included in the new covenant???

The way I see it is that for about the first ten years, since Pentecost, Acts 2, until Acts 10 (conversion of first Gentile recorded, Cornelius) there were ONLY Jewish
converts in the assembly (church). After Acts 10 and Peter went to the apostles (Acts 15;7ff) it was confirmed (to the Jewish believers & apostles) that God accepted (grafted, Eph 2:12ff)) the Gentiles into the commonwealth of Israel (the real Jews, those that accepted Messiah, Jesus). In Acts 2 you see the Baptism of the Holy Spirit of the apostles and then you see the same thing happening in Acts 10 to the first Gentile convert…. A confirmation that God accepts the Gentle also, PRAISE GOD! (Baptism of Holy Spirit only in two places, Acts 2 & Acts 10)

I think this is when the “Kingdom of God” began to spread throughout the whole world (Dan 2:44). Jesus is King NOW and is King over both good
and evil.

His assembly (church) is in heaven and those that obey the gospel are added to it (Acts 2:47). The local assemblies on earth you join and are a small part of that assembly in heaven. The assembly in heaven contains all the righteous from Adam’s time to the present and is growing daily.

That's my two cents, (now I'm out of money)

charlesj

"Lets do the best we can do and Jesus will make up the difference." -Mark Davis, minister, 12/15/03

 

[Alethos]

Dan, just read the letter. The letter to the Epheisians is to both Jew and Gentile.

Also, notice Paul's wprds in chapter one.

Ephesians 1:8-10 ( KJV )
Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

This mystery is the same mystery he speaks of in Chapter three and here he says that God made it known to the Jews.

No, the Law is over, it has been since Christ instituted the new covenant. Paul said that Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to those who believe.

Romans 10:4 ( KJV )
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.

Charlsj is correct.

Paul deals with exactly this in Colossians 2:13-15
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13[/sup]And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances (Law) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; [sup]15[/sup]And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Colossians 2:13-15

Damning words for the Pharisees and Sadducees (Sanhedrin)

These ungodly men trusted wholely in the written code "Cheirographon" = autograph, ie on a note of indebtedness. Cp parable of debt = sins, Mat 18:23-25. also Cp the writing of the curses of the Law, in the trial of jealousy in Num 5:17.

How blessed are we to not to be made (like our Lord) under the Law? and very pleased he fulilled its every requirement....bar "cursed is every man which hangeth on a tree" But thats another subject.

The Law is no more. Lam 2:9 (a play on words but you get the picture)

Alethos

 

[Butch5]

Hello Dan, Butch and Truth:


I haven’t been following the thread real close and I hope I not jumping into a pile of mud. But the idea I get is you are saying that the
apostle Paul (but, not the 12) knew that the Gentiles (the mystery) were included in the new covenant???

The way I see it is that for about the first ten years, since Pentecost, Acts 2, until Acts 10 (conversion of first Gentile recorded, Cornelius) there were ONLY Jewish
converts in the assembly (church). After Acts 10 and Peter went to the apostles (Acts 15;7ff) it was confirmed (to the Jewish believers & apostles) that God accepted (grafted, Eph 2:12ff)) the Gentiles into the commonwealth of Israel (the real Jews, those that accepted Messiah, Jesus). In Acts 2 you see the Baptism of the Holy Spirit of the apostles and then you see the same thing happening in Acts 10 to the first Gentile convert…. A confirmation that God accepts the Gentle also, PRAISE GOD! (Baptism of Holy Spirit only in two places, Acts 2 & Acts 10)

I think this is when the “Kingdom of God” began to spread throughout the whole world (Dan 2:44). Jesus is King NOW and is King over both good
and evil.

His assembly (church) is in heaven and those that obey the gospel are added to it (Acts 2:47). The local assemblies on earth you join and are a small part of that assembly in heaven. The assembly in heaven contains all the righteous from Adam’s time to the present and is growing daily.

That's my two cents, (now I'm out of money)

charlesj

"Lets do the best we can do and Jesus will make up the difference." -Mark Davis, minister, 12/15/03

Hi Charles,

It is Dan that believes the 12 didn't know the mystery. I hold that both Paul and the 12 preached the same thing. I agree with what you said, except for the part about he church being in heaven.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

I find it beneficial to see the simple message . In this case some of the Galatians have moved away from the (original) gospel back toward circumcision and the law. Thus the rebuke.

We still do that today. We are saved by Christ and His Spirit. It transforms us internally , and miraculously, and instantly.

But give us a bit of time , and we often start trying to drag some rules back in (Law). We are all Galatians at one time or another. It will not keep us from heaven, but it is non productive , and for some people it consumes them and their time.

Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? (Galatians 3:1)

 

[jiggyfly]

I find it beneficial to see the simple message . In this case some of the Galatians have moved away from the (original) gospel back toward circumcision and the law. Thus the rebuke.

We still do that today. We are saved by Christ and His Spirit. It transforms us internally , and miraculously, and instantly.

But give us a bit of time , and we often start trying to drag some rules back in (Law). We are all Galatians at one time or another. It will not keep us from heaven, but it is non productive , and for some people it consumes them and their time.

Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? (Galatians 3:1)

Good post, I agree and would add that it is counter-productive, it gets in the way or hinders God's power working within us.

 

[Duckybill]

The Book of Galatians is a STRONG warning against trying to be saved by THE WORKS OF THE LAW of Moses, I.E. circumcision, dietary, etc. We simply cannot be saved by the works of THE LAW. Those who try are "accursed".

Galatians 3:10 (NKJV)
[sup]10 [/sup]For as many as are of THE WORKS OF THE LAW are under THE CURSE;