Hello again
@robert derrick,
I like your post, and fully agree. And note, all scripture is true. We just have to look at the rest of the Bible to see clearly. This is what "seek God" in the Sermon on the Mount means! Here is my perspective with more biblical facts and indisputable evidences:
Predestination Demystified
@Oceanprayers. You too, please look.
The concept of "God is in complete control of everything, including deciding our eternal destiny, mysteriously picking and choosing from the humans to grant them salvation", is completely misunderstood!
And this is exactly what Modern OSAS declare: they have no part nor responsibility in their own salvation, and any who teach doing our part to work out our salvation, are declared heretics that think to save themselves instead of Christ.
Those who obey him for eternal salvation are rejecting Jesus as God. And so the only saved believers are them that say and do not, before and apart from every obeying Him in the heart and from the heart.
The Biblical truth is, God foreknew those who decided to choose Him by faith. Then He predestined us based on this foreknowledge. God is "I AM"; He sits outside our time/space continuum. He sees eternity past and eternity future at the same time.
Amen. Your key point being: foreknew who
decided, who chooses to serve Him by faith.
He sees eternity past and eternity future at the same time.
Well said:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
The first verse is most quoted, but the second verse is showing what you are saying to be true.
The Word was with God and was God in the beginning, and the same One was in the beginning with God:
The same One watching all things come to pass from beginning to end, is the same One knowing all things in the beginning, because the same One watching now is the same One knowing before
at the same time.
He has the ability to foresee all this on His drawing-board before creation.
The power to watch the drawing-board come to pass with the predetermination of free will for all.
We are each drawing our own board, whether by faith in Him or by disobedience to Him: God writes the books to judge by, even as He watches our hearts, words, and works:
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
A prechosen and predestinated people are not a free-will people, but are only chess-pieces being moved by God: God moves living people choosing to obey His command where and when and how to move on the earth.
and predestine / help-along
So predestinating is the Scriptural blueprint of faith, which is
what we are to be conformed to: our forerunner Jesus Christ.
The fact that all people were not good, and not interested in God is also a result of being created in the image of God. They all started on relatively equal ground.
A soul with free will to believe and choose is the image of God: All souls are created the same in the image of the soul of Jesus Christ.
But the Calvinist doctrine says, we didn't really say yes, God made us say yes. Which make us nothing but robots.
If the Son needed learn obedience as a man, then certainly so must any son of God: we are given power to become the sons of God
by learning to obey Him through the fear of the Lord.
If souls were made predestined to believe and say yes, then there is no learning at all, but only believing and doing. And yet, them believing in being prechosen are the least of all doer, and condemn any obedience as necessary for eternal salvation.
When they ought be the ones obeying Him perfectly and unblameably, to do His righteousness at all times, even as He did with the Father, they are the ones condemning all that do as being proud heretics against faith.
They ought be
doing it better than everyone else, and telling them they do so simply because they were prechosen and made to do so, differently from everyone else.
