What is the Bible?

[Paul Christensen]

I stand corrected. The consensus is that he did write those although there are some who disagree and give good evidence to support their belief.

Embarrassingly I was thinking only of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John when I made that statement.

Mary

:)

 

[Enoch111]

The NT is a collection of eyewitness accounts, and there is error, but "christian " are afraid to look because they will discover it its not God..

What kind of a nonsensical statement is this?

How can there be *error* in the Word of God? Then it becomes merely the words of men. Anyone claiming that there are errors in the Bible needs to have his head examined.

BTW eyewitness accounts PRECLUDE errors. That is why hearsay evidence is excluded from trials.

 

[Paul Christensen]

What kind of a nonsensical statement is this?

How can there be *error* in the Word of God? Then it becomes merely the words of men. Anyone claiming that there are errors in the Bible needs to have his head examined.

BTW eyewitness accounts PRECLUDE errors. That is why hearsay evidence is excluded from trials.

In support of your post:
The Bible is God's communication with mankind. It is what the Holy Spirit wants us to know about God, His plan of salvation, how to get saved, and how to live a holy life glorifying to God. We know that the Holy Spirit does not make mistakes.

Most of the errors that people blame on Scripture are the ones that people actually read into the Scripture because they cannot, or will not, accept the literal text. The histories do not present a rosy picture of the people of God in the Old Testament. It plainly gives the good, bad, and the ugly, to show us the blessings of being faithful to God, and the curses that come through being unfaithful to Him. We see what happens to people who obey what God tells them, and what happens when people ignore God and take things into their own hands.

In the gospels, we see the way Jesus conducted His ministry among the unconverted Jews. He taught the Law, because it was the Law that was in force at that time. He taught it so show the people that they were sinners needing a better righteousness than the strict Pharisees, who were near to perfect in their observance of the Law.

We see in Paul's letters how that he says that the Law is perfect and holy, and it is not the Law itself that is causing the problems, but it is the sinfulness of people that prevents them keeping the Law. He explains how Jesus kept the Law perfectly and became our Substitute and took the penalty that we deserve. This means that God's case against us at the Judgment will be dismissed because although found guilty for breaking the Law, the penalty has already been paid and we will be set free to enjoy living forever with the Lord.

So, when we view and study the Scriptures from that perspective, we see that there are no errors in what the Holy Spirit has recorded what we need to know,

 

[mjrhealth]

In support of your post:
The Bible is God's communication with mankind. It is what the Holy Spirit wants us to know about God, His plan of salvation, how to get saved, and how to live a holy life glorifying to God. We know that the Holy Spirit does not make mistakes.

Most of the errors that people blame on Scripture are the ones that people actually read into the Scripture because they cannot, or will not, accept the literal text. The histories do not present a rosy picture of the people of God in the Old Testament. It plainly gives the good, bad, and the ugly, to show us the blessings of being faithful to God, and the curses that come through being unfaithful to Him. We see what happens to people who obey what God tells them, and what happens when people ignore God and take things into their own hands.

In the gospels, we see the way Jesus conducted His ministry among the unconverted Jews. He taught the Law, because it was the Law that was in force at that time. He taught it so show the people that they were sinners needing a better righteousness than the strict Pharisees, who were near to perfect in their observance of the Law.

We see in Paul's letters how that he says that the Law is perfect and holy, and it is not the Law itself that is causing the problems, but it is the sinfulness of people that prevents them keeping the Law. He explains how Jesus kept the Law perfectly and became our Substitute and took the penalty that we deserve. This means that God's case against us at the Judgment will be dismissed because although found guilty for breaking the Law, the penalty has already been paid and we will be set free to enjoy living forever with the Lord.

So, when we view and study the Scriptures from that perspective, we see that there are no errors in what the Holy Spirit has recorded what we need to know,

Maybe one day you should read it with your eyes open

One of the is not the same. Please you know the game

Mat 8:28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

Mar 5:1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
Mar 5:2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
Mar 5:3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:

Luk 8:26 And they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.
Luk 8:27 And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.

one was different witness as the same by differnt name.

And Jesus is Gods word, He was given that title, its in the bible.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Maybe one day you should read it with your eyes open

One of the is not the same. Please you know the game

Mat 8:28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

Mar 5:1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
Mar 5:2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
Mar 5:3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:

Luk 8:26 And they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.
Luk 8:27 And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.

one was different witness as the same by differnt name.

And Jesus is Gods word, He was given that title, its in the bible.

It is just two different people giving their own perception of what they witnessed. This is why in a court of law, there needs to be a number of witnesses to authenticate an observed event. The variations in what different people see at an event is quite commonplace. Any intelligent person knows that!!

 

[marksman]

What it is not... Is a dissertation on theology. It wasn't written by a group of PhDs sitting in a communal classroom writing a doctorate/thesis on doctrine and dogma.
The Bible is essentially a story...a narrative. Rather than written by scholars, it was more the result of a band of hippies with guitars. Does this offend you?
So what is it that we are to get from reading the Bible... Considering it's largely a book of songs, poems, and literary masterpieces such as Revelation? Theology? Yes, we can extract from the Bible different points of theology. But that isn't the main intent as far as I'm concerned anyway. I think what we are to receive from scripture is a picture of God, through the story or narrative of how He presents Himself to man. A story of redemption...a story of love...a story of infinite and merciful faithfulness. And once we behold that picture... Then we are changed into His image. But if you get the picture wrong, then the image being created is not... The picture your mind is focused on... Is one of your own making, and your future may never rise higher than your own limited imagination.
So what to you is the Bible, and it's purpose?

I reckon it is God telling us what's what.

 

[mjrhealth]

It is just two different people giving their own perception of what they witnessed. This is why in a court of law, there needs to be a number of witnesses to authenticate an observed event. The variations in what different people see at an event is quite commonplace. Any intelligent person knows that!!

Exaclty, is God the author of confusion, does the holy Spirit make mistakes, Inspired you all say, has no mistakes, you just admitted it does,. Proves it is not all that way. There is a reason so few find Christ, they never leave the bible, or there religions for that matter.

Joh_5:41 I receive not honour from men.

because the bible gets it all, He our savior and the Spirit of God barely rate a mention.

 

[quietthinker]

Can't wait to hear her answer after hauling me over hot coals for reversing the order of Peters state of dress while fishing.

her ??? hmmmm

 

[Paul Christensen]

Exaclty, is God the author of confusion, does the holy Spirit make mistakes, Inspired you all say, has no mistakes, you just admitted it does,. Proves it is not all that way. There is a reason so few find Christ, they never leave the bible, or there religions for that matter.

Joh_5:41 I receive not honour from men.

because the bible gets it all, He our savior and the Spirit of God barely rate a mention.

When two or more people view an event and then testify to it. Their composite testimonies give a clearer picture of what is going on instead of seeing what has happened from just one angle. The testimonies don't contradict each other. They compliment each other to give the complete picture. If you are doing this to attack the authority of the Bible, then you have failed.

 

[mjrhealth]

When two or more people view an event and then testify to it. Their composite testimonies give a clearer picture of what is going on instead of seeing what has happened from just one angle. The testimonies don't contradict each other. They compliment each other to give the complete picture. If you are doing this to attack the authority of the Bible, then you have failed.

The bible has no authority, two men say one man one mans say two men in court that is a contradiction and an error, what are you afraid of, what "christians " think of you, such a clear error that you just want to hide.''

there is a reason why God said, He will not have any idols or god's before Him, when they get trod on men get upset and very defensive about them.

The only truth is in Christ but so few pursue Him for it, and He gets no honor why, because as you just did, you gave honor to a book, what happened to Him

 

[Brakelite]

The bible has no authority, two men say one man one mans say two men in court that is a contradiction and an error, what are you afraid of, what "christians " think of you, such a clear error that you just want to hide.''

there is a reason why God said, He will not have any idols or god's before Him, when they get trod on men get upset and very defensive about them.

The only truth is in Christ but so few pursue Him for it, and He gets no honor why, because as you just did, you gave honor to a book, what happened to Him

The way I approach the Bible is that it is thought inspired, not word inspired. It isn't dictated word for word from God to man. God didn't dictate every word and have man meticulously write it down. Good spoke to men through dreams, visions, inspiration, and men wrote what he heard and saw in his own words, in his own style, and in his own dialect and language.
If you were a victim in a court case and calling witnesses, you would hope that your witnesses have similar, not exactly alike testimony. If they were exactly alike, the judge would throw your case out of court and charge you with witness tampering and conspiracy to pervert justice.
It would be interesting to hear your honest perspective and view as to Who God is like if you think the scriptures have no authority in influencing your mind either way. If you think that one scene in the cemetery is untrustworthy, how do you decide what to accept and what to reject?

 

[Brakelite]

her ??? hmmmm

 

[mjrhealth]

The way I approach the Bible is that it is thought inspired, not word inspired. It isn't dictated word for word from God to man. God didn't dictate every word and have man meticulously write it down. Good spoke to men through dreams, visions, inspiration, and men wrote what he heard and saw in his own words, in his own style, and in his own dialect and language.
If you were a victim in a court case and calling witnesses, you would hope that your witnesses have similar, not exactly alike testimony. If they were exactly alike, the judge would throw your case out of court and charge you with witness tampering and conspiracy to pervert justice.
It would be interesting to hear your honest perspective and view as to Who God is like if you think the scriptures have no authority in influencing your mind either way. If you think that one scene in the cemetery is untrustworthy, how do you decide what to accept and what to reject?

Something to do with

Luk_4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

thats why Christ could go out and do things.

Joh_3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Since Christ it has always being about the Spirit.

and the one that upsets a certain group

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

and Paul

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

why

Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

because

1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

He is our gift from God, He is the mark that is placed upon His children that marks them as His,

again lastly

1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1Jn 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

as Jesus put it

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

and again

Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

and the most ignored scripture in the bible

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.

and that is why so few christians have any life, they will never get past teh bible.

last one

Luk_13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

crying out " but Jesus I read the bible,' will not be enough.

In His love

 

[bbyrd009]

When two or more people view an event and then testify to it. Their composite testimonies give a clearer picture of what is going on instead of seeing what has happened from just one angle.

Nonetheless it seems like you have to admit that, reading literally, the accounts do not make sense, do not reconcile with each other

 

[Brakelite]

Nonetheless it seems like you have to admit that, reading literally, the accounts do not make sense, do not reconcile with each other

You got to realise that Jesus was left standing on His own when they came out of the tombs. The disciples took off the moment there was a sign of trouble, their superstitions and fears compelling them to consider only one option... Flight. That one of them got the number correct is amazing, surprising that the story didn't evolve into an group of terrorists.

 

[bbyrd009]

You got to realise that Jesus was left standing on His own when they came out of the tombs.

Ha, def an interesting interpretation, But I don’t see that in the text? Fwiw I like ViJ’s take, the two are the one imo

 

[amadeus]

It is just two different people giving their own perception of what they witnessed. This is why in a court of law, there needs to be a number of witnesses to authenticate an observed event. The variations in what different people see at an event is quite commonplace. Any intelligent person knows that!!

But do we require the evidence of eyewitnesses or do we live for God by faith?

"For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." Rom 1:17

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." Heb 11:1-3

 

[Brakelite]

Ha, def an interesting interpretation, But I don’t see that in the text? Fwiw I like ViJ’s take, the two are the one imo

True, it's not in the text. But imagine the situation. Two crazed wild men suddenly springing out of no where in a cemetery, long hair and beard matted with filth, naked, broken chains hanging from torn bloody wrists, screaming threats and obscenities, and a dozen peace loving disciples stand calmly taking it all in. I don't think so.

 

[bbyrd009]

True, it's not in the text. But imagine the situation. Two crazed wild men suddenly springing out of no where in a cemetery, long hair and beard matted with filth, naked, broken chains hanging from torn bloody wrists, screaming threats and obscenities, and a dozen peace loving disciples stand calmly taking it all in. I don't think so.

Well, seems to me that the gospels don’t usually portray the apostles in the best light anyway, right? So I’m not sure why that would not have been recorded if it was Pertinent?

Also, to me that’s just suggesting a discrepancy in the Bible, and frankly I doubt that; I’m pretty sure the two recordings agree with each other, only spiritually, not literally, Two men in a bed

 

[bbyrd009]

The bible has no authority, two men say one man one mans say two men in court that is a contradiction and an error,

Which is I guess why the law is inadequate, huh