What is the purpose of : Evil

[Robert Gwin]

So you don’t believe in a second coming of Jesus Christ and that man will eradicate himself before Jesus returns?
If so… that’s pretty far out there in left field somewhere beyond what the Bible says.
Most Christians believe in the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.



How do you know what I believe?
And who is “we”? Do you have multiple personalities? Or are there several people writing your posts?
As for the earth remaining: Yes, the earth will still be here for the 1,000 year reign of Christ, but like the global flood, it will simply be purified. But I think it will be purified in such a way that will not leave traces of our current world. I believe the fire will purify everything. For the former things shall not be remembered. We can see many remnants of civilizations under the ocean floor (Which are those who perished in the global flood).

So you don’t believe in a second coming of Jesus Christ and that man will eradicate himself before Jesus returns?
If so… that’s pretty far out there in left field somewhere beyond what the Bible says.
Most Christians believe in the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Bible says he is coming again 2 Thes 1:6-9 Yes sir, I believe Jesus is coming again, and soon.

How do you know what I believe? Follow the conversation sir, you compared the upcoming destruction to the flood, I simply agreed.
And who is “we”? Do you have multiple personalities? Or are there several people writing your posts? I am one of Jehovah's witnesses, when I say we, I am referring to our understanding
As for the earth remaining: Yes, the earth will still be here for the 1,000 year reign of Christ, but like the global flood, it will simply be purified. But I think it will be purified in such a way that will not leave traces of our current world. I believe the fire will purify everything. For the former things shall not be remembered. We can see many remnants of civilizations under the ocean floor (Which are those who perished in the global flood) Bible says the earth abideth forever and I agree with that, and from what you say I believe we agree the same way on that as well.

 

[Robert Gwin]

No need to apologize. It’s all good.
I have misunderstood what folks have written plenty of times over the years.
I make an effort to do the same as you and apologize if I do misread people’s writings.

In any event, may God’s love shine upon you (even if we disagree strongly on what the Bible says).

Thank you sir.

 

[Behold]

Do you not regard the book of Job as equally authoritative as Holy Scripture?

See: 2 Timothy 3:16-17

Side Note:

Oh, and I am curious about your avatar. Do you really think Jesus looks like a white American hippie with long hair? .

Its a painting.
Dont lose sleep over it.

To answer your question........ Jesus THE JEW, has dark hair, and dark eyes, and a beard that is related to His ministry and position.

 

[Behold]

Hi Ferris, yes satan rejected Jehovah,

Satan didnt reject Jehovah, He wanted to BE Jehovah.

He wanted to be elevated ABOVE God, in power and position.

 

[Behold]

Eph 6:11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.

Paul

So, if the believer is to resist evil.......then this concludes that evil is not good, nor is it used by God to whip a Believer.
Believers are to "overcome evil by doing Good".

 

[Behold]

I agree with some of what you said, but certainly not all. You do understand that if you are correct, God is evil Himself.

Crazy Hyper Calvinists, accuse God of doing the Devil's work.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Since Jesus is not God sir, of course you haven't offered "proof". Let's look into your proof sir, post a couple of passages that prove it, and we will examine them to see if that is what they say.

Your opinion is not Scripture. I have offered plenty of biblical proof that Jesus is God beyond of a shadow of a doubt. The repeat pattern of many verses that state Jesus is GOD is all the proof I need. No doubt you will try to either ignore these verses or twist them to your own destruction. Take the beginning of the gospel of John. The Word is called God and He is with God. The Word was made flesh. So Jesus is God. This makes sense because 1 Timothy 3:16 says that God was manifest in the flesh. This is Jesus. Jesus said He came down from Heaven.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Bible says he is coming again 2 Thes 1:6-9 Yes sir, I believe Jesus is coming again, and soon. Follow the conversation sir, you compared the upcoming destruction to the flood, I simply agreed.

Then it will not be an extinction of humanity but an eradication of many.
When folks talk about how the dinosaurs went extinct, it is saying that no dinosaurs of any kind are around anymore.
Humanity will not go extinct because believers will live on with the 1,000 year reign of Christ.

I am one of Jehovah's witnesses, when I say we, I am referring to our understanding

But you did not clarify that fact in your post to me until now. This is problematic by not clarifying this point before because you can make people think your crazy.

Also, not sure why you follow a religion that was formed long after the Bible was complete. Revelation says not to add any words without their being the consequences of the plagues within it will be added to that person.

I can only encourage you to read and talk to ex JW’s.

Ex-Jehovah’s Witness Testimonies

Right now you are sucked into an obvious lie that you cannot escape from on your own.

Bible says the earth abideth forever and I agree with that, and from what you say I believe we agree the same way on that as well.

No we don’t believe the same way on this point. I believe after the 1,000 year reign of Christ, that this earth will pass away and a new earth will come (As Scripture says).

The word “forever” in the Bible does not always mean forever in the way we understand it. It’s an archaic English word or it is used in reference to as long as something is supposed to last. For example: In the Bible, it says: Onesimus use returned to his master forever (Philemon 1:15). That does not mean Onesimus and his master are still alive.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Thank you sir.

Your welcome.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Its a painting.

It’s the promotion of idolatry in the form of a painting.
A person can promote other kinds of sins in a painting and just dismiss the sin by saying it’s just a painting. It does not make it right just because the sin is being promoted in the form of a painting. It would be no different if you were promoting porn or murder in a painting.

Dont lose sleep over it.

Sin may not be a big deal to you (because you believe Jesus paid for all your sins), but according to God’s Word, the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God. This includes believers because Jesus told certain believers who did works in His name to depart from Him because they also worked iniquity (sin), too.

To answer your question........ Jesus THE JEW, has dark hair, and dark eyes, and a beard that is related to His ministry and position.

In Revelation he has white hair and fiery eyes. But the point here is that your painting does not even reflect what you are saying even. So you are promoting a false image of Jesus. Nobody knows what Jesus really looked like and so to promote any kind of image of Him is false and it is idolatry. I know you cannot see it and I believe you simply don’t care because Jesus paid for all your sin. So need to worry about sin in your view. But that’s not what the Bible teaches. The Bible teaches that sin can separate you from God (See: Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, etcetera). But if you want to take the great chance or risk in putting your own soul on the line so as to justify sin, that is your own choice (of course).

 

[Pierac]

So, if the believer is to resist evil.......then this concludes that evil is not good, nor is it used by God to whip a Believer.
Believers are to "overcome evil by doing Good".

No... It shows Evil exist... when good people do nothing.... Thus why Jesus Commanded.... his followers to by a Sword/AR15...

Don't confuse this World with Murder, Crime, and School Shootings with... the coming Kingdom! Satan is still the god of this world...until Jesus returns to take it!!!

Paul

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The carnal man knows not what is Good ?
Good teacher one cried to Jesus ? remember Jesus reply !
Good according to who ? so we see nowadays the Gay pride Nazis ? demanding that all idolise them or else they work to destroy all who oppose them, just like Nazis did.
Now the average dip stick thinks anyone who does not accept all that Gays do is an evil ! and they have been programed to turn on anyone who does not follow their commands to the letter !
Political Correctness is just that Political ! not to mention that who is it that claims that anything "Political" is Correct ? Such a State is on of delusions in fact !
Ok one claims to be Politically Correct or to serve such a State ? do they know who or what it truly is that they are serving ?

Politically Correct and correct are not the same thing at all in fact ?

Hitler's Nazis were Politically Correct in fact ?

A Politically Correct Christian ? is their such a thing under God ? No ! not at all !
Political is nothing to do with being correct, as it is the political that claims what is correct, Socialism does not even have faith in Truth ! they do not hold such in high regard. they claim such is objective. they have no set solid values ! they just make it all up as they go along, playing the Games.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Satan didnt reject Jehovah, He wanted to BE Jehovah.

He wanted to be elevated ABOVE God, in power and position.

Down home where I come from Be, that is called rejection. You are 100% correct however, satan wanted what Jehovah had, the most successful one in history in usurping Jehovah's headship. he is even the god of this world, the power behind all the governments of the world. Mat 4:8,9

 

[Robert Gwin]

Crazy Hyper Calvinists, accuse God of doing the Devil's work.

Yes sir, I certainly hope that God is not evil. Time is the only thing that will alleviate those allegations or confirm them. We will certainly see what Jehovah can do in 1k yrs vs the 6k that satan and humans have had.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Your opinion is not Scripture. I have offered plenty of biblical proof that Jesus is God beyond of a shadow of a doubt. The repeat pattern of many verses that state Jesus is GOD is all the proof I need. No doubt you will try to either ignore these verses or twist them to your own destruction. Take the beginning of the gospel of John. The Word is called God and He is with God. The Word was made flesh. So Jesus is God. This makes sense because 1 Timothy 3:16 says that God was manifest in the flesh. This is Jesus. Jesus said He came down from Heaven.[/QU

No sir, 1 Timothy 3:16 says He (speaking of Jesus) was manifest in the flesh, why did you alter the passage?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Then it will not be an extinction of humanity but an eradication of many.
When folks talk about how the dinosaurs went extinct, it is saying that no dinosaurs of any kind are around anymore.
Humanity will not go extinct because believers will live on with the 1,000 year reign of Christ.



But you did not clarify that fact in your post to me until now. This is problematic by not clarifying this point before because you can make people think your crazy.

Also, not sure why you follow a religion that was formed long after the Bible was complete. Revelation says not to add any words without their being the consequences of the plagues within it will be added to that person.

I can only encourage you to read and talk to ex JW’s.

Ex-Jehovah’s Witness Testimonies

Right now you are sucked into an obvious lie that you cannot escape from on your own.



No we don’t believe the same way on this point. I believe after the 1,000 year reign of Christ, that this earth will pass away and a new earth will come (As Scripture says).

The word “forever” in the Bible does not always mean forever in the way we understand it. It’s an archaic English word or it is used in reference to as long as something is supposed to last. For example: In the Bible, it says: Onesimus use returned to his master forever (Philemon 1:15). That does not mean Onesimus and his master are still alive.

Misconception sir, God had witnesses even before He created humans. The Bible identifies God's people beyond any doubt, and traces them from start to finish. Likely you are unaware of the period of apostasy, and the last day regathering of God's people.

 

[GodsGrace]

"where there is no LAW, = there is no transgression".

This is true.
So, there was no "Moses law or 10 commandments"...in the Garden of Eden.......but, there was the word of God, that had presented Adam and Eve with a boundary, and that word of God is a command. And they broke God's command. That is Rebellion, and rebellion is as witchcraft, and is what was found in Lucifer........named "iniquity".
See, there was no Moses Law in Heaven, and "iniquity was found in LUCIFER">.......Satan.......The devil.

Adam and Eve broke God's command because Satan's deception is very strong and it always appeals to our FLESH.
He convinced Eve that God's word was "Hath God said"......In other words Satan questioned God's word, implying that maybe it was not exactly like God has said it, which is to Question God's honesty and authority.
Isn't that just like the Devil?
He has his people doing the same on Forums like this one, everyday.

Now i'll show you something evil.
Many NEW = BIBLEs.
What Satan has done, is ... he has watered down the word, by creating so many versions that contradict each other, often, by OMITTING very important words........so that the meaning and the truth and the DOCTRINE, is watered down, and fuzzy, and vague, or even missing.
This causes CONFUSION, and "where confusion is found, there is every type of evil work".
When bibles dont say the same thing, = CONFUSION. And the devil is the "Author of CONFUSiON".
That is Satan, creating "Hath God said", using "new" bibles, to CONFUSE the body of Christ.

Its a fact that I can preach to a group, and they can have a new bible that does not have the verse in it, that im preaching.
Or it will be intentionally missing a context WORD, that is the core of the verse, = so that the verse is dumbed down, and doctrinally destroyed.

Let me show you an example.

The Theology of the Deity of Christ. This is very important. So, the Devil wants to hide it. And what he has done, ... is, he has enlisted "deity of Christ" rejectors....who do not believe that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh... And they have created many "new" Bibles and in them most of the verses that contain PROOF of the Deity of Christ, are rewritten, or even omitted.
So, when a believer or what is worse .. when a Denomination uses this corrupted JUNK "bible", as their usual bible, then they are misled by the bible into rejecting a Doctrine that should be there, and not just that one.

Let say you had never heard that Jesus is God.
You've never heard anything about this... before.
So, you pick up a REAL bible and it says...>"GOD was manifested in the Flesh".....and you realize instantly that this is the Virgin born Jesus.
So, that REAL bible has shown you a doctrine, and a truth.

But lets say, you grab a bible that says.....>"HE, was manifested in the Flesh"......... where "GOD" is removed, and "HE" is inserted in the verse, which destroys the DOCTRINE of "GOD" and "CHRIST"< = Deity of Christ.

So, a person reads...>"HE, was manifested in the FLESH, and they think ...>"HE WHO"....>who is "HE"....and the Devil smiles as he has just kept them from the TRUTH.
Well, if you KNOW, then that's one thing....but if you dont yet know about the Deity of Christ, ...then that verse that would have shown you GOD as the Virgin Born CHRIST, has instead hidden this truth from you.

The Devil is very clever.
And since the Garden, he has always found a way to try to replace God with a Religion, The Cross with self effort, or God's Holy word with a fake "bible".

I agree with most of what you've said.
Although it does not answer the question of why Adam sinned if sin h ad not entered yet.
No matter...actually there is no answer.

But what would a fake bible be, for instance?
I have a few versions here and they seem to say the same thing.

Maybe if this is important, and it is, this would be the reason why we need a good bible-believing church to teach?

I think some of the problem we face here on these forums is that we try to teach ourselves and we come up with differing ideas.