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This experience should have revealed to him that God would never do such a thing.
Even humankind has never committed a sadistic crime against humans as heinous as this.
As described, it would make the Holocaust look like a Sunday School picnic.

Imagine human souls burning in agony endlessly with no hope of escape.
Unimaginable horror with no purpose or goal. Eternal punishment for a finite crime.
In what universe is that justice?

The church lied to us about eternal conscious torment.
Jesus taught us to love our enemies. This is godly behavior.
What then should God do with his enemies?
Does he operate at a lower standard than he holds us to?
That's what the church seems to think.

What's wrong with this picture?
Did God drown all but 8 on Earth and burn Sodom alive including children, "making them an example"? Yes He did. Everyone will learn to fear God, now or in Hell "forever and ever".
 

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Believe or die.
Skate or die.

Israel was obliterated with Fire.

And example of what a life is like without the light of life; Jesus Christ.


Thus up in flames went their life; without any spiritual treasure built up; just hatred towards God and the light of truth.


This an example of what happens to those who don’t have spiritual life; they live being in spiritual death not reborn.

Those who come to the light are adopted as children of God, and become part of the kingdom being spiritually resurrected from that former death state, coming into truth found in Jesus.
 

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This experience should have revealed to him that God would never do such a thing.
Even humankind has never committed a sadistic crime against humans as heinous as this.
As described, it would make the Holocaust look like a Sunday School picnic.

Imagine human souls burning in agony endlessly with no hope of escape.
Unimaginable horror with no purpose or goal. Eternal punishment for a finite crime.
In what universe is that justice?

The church lied to us about eternal conscious torment.
Jesus taught us to love our enemies. This is godly behavior.
What then should God do with his enemies?
Does he operate at a lower standard than he holds us to?
That's what the church seems to think.

What's wrong with this picture?
The pure woman in Revelation 12 who found refuge in the desert (the church) has morphed into a whore riding a scarlet beast. The 'scarlet' and the number of heads and and horns in Revelation 17 identifies it as the same entity/ forces as the dragon persecuting the pure woman in Revelation 12.....

The woman clothed in light in Rev. 12 has now morphed into a whore (selling salvation) and drunk on the blood of the saints in Rev. 17

She now pedals the heart of the dragon teaching doctrines of eternal torture and the worship of idols. No wonder John marvelled with great amazement Rev. 17:6
 
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Those who come to the light are adopted as children of God, and become part of the kingdom being spiritually resurrected from that former death state, coming into truth found in Jesus.
What about the countless billions that never saw that light?
 

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What about the countless billions that never saw that light?
What is it you make of John’s writing to the seven churches at the very last part of the letter?

Me personally I see that people live outside the kingdom in heaven. But not many would attest to that being true.
 

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What is it you make of John’s writing to the seven churches at the very last part of the letter?

Me personally I see that people live outside the kingdom in heaven. But not many would attest to that being true.
But the gates are always open, right?

Revelation 21:24-26 NIV
The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.
25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there.
26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it.
 

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Always never said to close. As well as the lake of fire that people take part of but not forever if you allow yourself to see it in the text. Though some don’t just say “have their part”, the could use co-sign, fate.

But what do you believe about it, and is it plausible that John is indeed right?
 
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Dont get me wrong either there is a certain loss for unbelievers having decided not to build on Christ here now, receiving a spiritually, condemned body from God. Those who openly and willingly deny existence of God; with no room for him in mind.
 
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Always never said to close. As well as the lake of fire that people take part of but not forever if you allow yourself to see it in the text. Though some don’t just say “have their part”, the could use co-sign, fate.

But what do you believe about it, and is it plausible that John is indeed right?
I support Ultimate Redemption. (UR)
Everyone is already "saved" due to the finished work of the Atonement on our behalf.
However, we will all need some work before we are ready for the kingdom. Correction and refinement.
Ultimately, every knee will bow and every tongue acknowledge Jesus as Lord.

Here's my full explanation of that last bit. (if need be)

Anyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Further reading: Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Revelation 15:4
 

St. SteVen

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Dont get me wrong either there is a certain loss for unbelievers having decided not to build on Christ here now, receiving a spiritually, condemned body from God. Those who openly and willingly deny existence of God; with no room for him in mind.
Yes, we have a models for that. Scripture below.
The model applies to everyone, I believe.
Compare: Romans 2:14-16 below.

1 Corinthians 3:12-15 NIV
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light.
It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.
14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.
15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved
even though only as one escaping through the flames.

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law,
they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them
and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ,
as my gospel declares.
 

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...Be Like?

“An old Scottish preacher had to go past a glass factory each day on his way
to the church. On one occasion he had a little extra time, and since the factory
door was open, he decided to look inside. There before him was a large, blazing
furnace. The minister gazed into the white, blue, and purple mass of liquid
flame, and the intense heat almost seared his face.

As he turned to leave, a workman standing in the shadows nearby overheard
him exclaim, ‘Ho mon! What shall Hell be like!’...

...As we know, the Lord, more than any other, warned about the danger of Hell
(Gr. gehenna) and hellfire. Most would agree this is the literal “Hell” of the Bible.
And the Lord had much to say about this realm.

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!...Ye serpents, ye
generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?”
(Matt. 23:29,33)...​

...He adds in Mark 9:43,44 that some will “go into hell, into the fire that never
shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not [apparently a reference to the
soul], and the fire is not quenched.” If they go “into Hell,” are we not to under-
stand that Hell is a place, and not merely a state of mind?

The fire that is said never to be quenched clearly coincides with the “everlasting
fire” prepared for the devil and his angels. Furthermore, we know the fire is literal
because the Lord Himself confirmed this when He gave the interpretation of the
parable of the wheat and tares (Matt. 13:36-43)...

...But some will argue...

...the Apostle Paul gives us the most chilling description of Hell, that those
who enter through its gates will suffer everlasting destruction or loss of
wellbeing (II Thes. 1:9). They will be forever separated from the presence
of the Lord and the glory of His power.

As the old Scottish preacher exclaimed...

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Precious friends:
Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!
Are you worried about hell? Why are you concerned what it will be like. You could just read the parable of the rich man and Lazarus and leave it at that.
 
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Are you worried about hell?
No, never have been.
Did you read post #40? (my first post on this thread)

What does worry me is the number of Christians that are
only in the church because they were fearful of what would happen
if they didn't join. (hell) Fear was used to force membership.
Is that a valid reason to join? Not IMHO.
 
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No, never have been.
Did you read post #40? (my first post on this thread)

What does worry me is the number of Christians that are
only in the church because they were fearful of what would happen
if they didn't join. (hell) Fear was used to force membership.
Is that a valid reason to join? Not IMHO.
Well when I first went back to church it was out of fear of hell. Now I've grown to love God. His spirit is love, peace and joy and it is heavenly to experience. He is great!
 

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What is it you make of John’s writing to the seven churches at the very last part of the letter?

Me personally I see that people live outside the kingdom in heaven. But not many would attest to that being true.
tell me how you understand the term 'The Kingdom of Heaven' Matthew
 

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Just read what John the beloved said about it. You don’t need my thoughts, or understanding.
I'll take that to heart. That being said, how can one communicate with you meaningfully when I get an answer like you've given?
 
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