When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

[Scott Downey]

1 Cor 15
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

55 “O[n] Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

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Some people think we shall not all be changed, some will remain flesh and blood people and have babies.
But that is not what scripture tells us here

The dead are raised.
We shall all be changed incorruptible.

We who remain alive until the Lord's coming are changed too, together with them that are dead in the Lord.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
The return of Christ is the Day of the Lord, unless you believe in a 3rd return of Christ, bur scripture mentions no such thing.
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Hebrews 9
27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
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The Day of Christ is the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Paul says this

The Day of the Lord​

1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be [a]sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

11 Therefore [b]comfort each other and [c]edify one another, just as you also are doing.

Peter says this

The Day of the Lord​

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Paul says this

The Great Apostasy​

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the [d]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only [e]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Jesus says this

Sixth Bowl: Euphrates Dried Up​

12 Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings [g]of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”

16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, [h]Armageddon.

 

[Scott Downey]

Jesus's teaching of His return is as a thief as He returns at a time when you do not expect, certainly the world is not expecting a sudden destruction. So then you be watching and wait on the Lord with expectation, especially when you see the signs. In other words, always be ready for His return.​

The Coming of the Son of Man​

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The Parable of the Fig Tree​

32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that [e]it is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

No One Knows the Day or Hour​

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of [f]heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what [g]hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what [h]hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

The Faithful Servant and the Evil Servant​

45 “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food [i]in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying [j]his coming,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[HappyOma]

1 Cor 15
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

55 “O[n] Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

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Some people think we shall not all be changed, some will remain flesh and blood people and have babies.
But that is not what scripture tells us here

The dead are raised.
We shall all be changed incorruptible.

We who remain alive until the Lord's coming are changed too, together with them that are dead in the Lord.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
The return of Christ is the Day of the Lord, unless you believe in a 3rd return of Christ, bur scripture mentions no such thing.
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Hebrews 9
27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
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The Day of Christ is the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Paul says this

The Day of the Lord​

1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be [a]sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

11 Therefore [b]comfort each other and [c]edify one another, just as you also are doing.

Peter says this

The Day of the Lord​

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Paul says this

The Great Apostasy​

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the [d]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only [e]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Jesus says this

Sixth Bowl: Euphrates Dried Up​

12 Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings [g]of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”

16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, [h]Armageddon.

Why do you refuse to put the Scriptures in their historical settings? You make "you" about us. Count all of the YOU's in those passages, Scott. Again, I say, WE are NOT the YE. You misunderstand because you refuse to acknowledge those to whom the words were first written. Paul and Peter wrote to those of their day about things that concerned THEM and not US.

 

[ScottA]

The great stumbling block regarding the Lords return, before any of these things can accurately and fully be understood, can be answered by us all giving an honest answer to:

If Jesus first came (1), then went to be with the Father, and has since entered into you (2)--has He already returned a second time, or are you just kidding yourself that He has entered into you at all?​

And...if He has returned from first going to the Father--what does that do to all these return issues and peoples various doctrines?

 

[HappyOma]

51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Again, Paul is NOT addressing us in our time. When he wrote "we," he meant himself and those of his day. "We [THEY] shall be changed." Your concept of the resurrection is faulty, therefore, you ignore the clear timing and the original AUDIENCE. THEY were changed in that THEY were given the full salvation Jesus told THEM to watch for at His coming to them. He told them to "look up" when THEY saw all of the things He spoke about begin to happen to them. THEN THEIR salvation drew near--it was then that THEY were changed (THEIR salvation "drew near").

Please first recognize to whom things are first written. You completely ignore this.

 

[Scott Downey]

Again, Paul is NOT addressing us in our time. When he wrote "we," he meant himself and those of his day. "We [THEY] shall be changed." Your concept of the resurrection is faulty, therefore, you ignore the clear timing and the original AUDIENCE. THEY were changed in that THEY were given the full salvation Jesus told THEM to watch for at His coming to them. He told them to "look up" when THEY saw all of the things He spoke about begin to happen to them. THEN THEIR salvation drew near--it was then that THEY were changed (THEIR salvation "drew near").

Please first recognize to whom things are first written. You completely ignore this.

Sorry, but the resurrection is not past. We shall all be changed at the resurrection, and only then.

2 Timothy 2

Approved and Disapproved Workers​

14 Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to [d]strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and [e]idle babblings, for they will [f]increase to more ungodliness. 17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of [g]Christ depart from iniquity.”

20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. 21 Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, [h]sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work. 22 Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

 

[HappyOma]

If Jesus first came (1), then went to be with the Father, and has since entered into you (2)--has He already returned a second time, or are you just kidding yourself that He has entered into you at all?

The writer of Hebrews makes it clear (Heb. 9). Jesus came the FIRST time to "deal with sin." He did that on the cross as the sacrificial lamb. But there was much more involved in the work of atonement and the work of the high priest. He had to go into the Most Holy Place and sprinkle the blood on the altar and then EXIT. On the cross, the blood was shed. Jesus, the Great High Priest, took that atoning "blood" to the heavenly Holy of Holies and sprinkled it on the heavenly altar. However, He still had to exit in full acknolwedgement of God's acceptance of the sacrifice. Again, the writer of Hebrews explains that He would come a second time NOT for sin but for SALVATION.

It is that salvation that Jesus told those very disciples to look for at His coming to THEM (Luke 21). The sacrifice on the cross brought the sealing of the Holy Spirit, but no one was at that time fitted for heaven. This is why Paul wrote to the saints at Rome that it was time for THEM to awaken from their sleep. Why? Because at that very time the night was "far spent" and the day was "at hand." What day? The day when THEIR salvation would be complete. Notice what Paul told THEM--"Now is YOUR salvation NEARER than when YOU first believed" (Rom. 13). They were for all intents and purposes saved and they were sealed, but they awaited the soon-to-come fulfillment of their salvation at Christ's Parousia in THEIR generation. When He returned in the clouds with His mighty angels to THAT generation, the "dead in Christ" who waited in Hades left that abode forever and were changed. Those who remained alive of THAT generation were also changed and THEY were all gathered together to Christ from the ends of the "earth" (Mat. 24). THAT was the resurrection.

 

[MatthewG]

From my perspective, every individual who passes from this life enters immediately into resurrection—whether unto condemnation, life, or something "better." Ultimately, I believe there are only two destinations: within the Kingdom or outside of it.

Given my conviction that Yeshua has already returned, and that sin, death, hell, and Satan have been decisively dealt with, the journey now is simply to live faithfully, pass on, and receive what one has sown. As Scripture reminds us, each person reaps what they sow.

 

[HappyOma]

who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 1

What is the context, Scott? There were some of Paul's own day claiming that the resurrection was already past. IF they understood the resurrecion as bodies popping up out of the ground, how in the world could anyone have believed that? They would not. It is obvious that Paul and those of his day who were being deceived believed that the resurrection was NOT physical or outward--it was spiritual and internal.

I do not deny the resurrection; I deny your false concept of it. Resurrection was the "change" that Paul predicted would happen to HIM and to THOSE of his day. It is over.

 

[HappyOma]

Given my conviction that Yeshua has already returned,

I agree.

 

[ScottA]

All,

This is perhaps the greatest issue of our time--of all time. Of all time, because within the context of time the issue was only to come to fruition in the fulness of time...and yet, it has nothing to do with time except that...except that it comes to us all in our own time. Paul eluded to this regarding all who are Christ's--from all time, saying of each, "but [BUT] each one (individual) in his own order." I emphasize "but" because he did--he made a stipulation or clarification that really is the answer to the timing of this return of Christ question--and every other question.

We were told the answer, but many missed it. Why? Because of the fulness of time regarding every person and generation that would yet follow unto the end.

Meanwhile, God has made restraints holding back this simple answer and knowledge, even allowing "false teachers" to come in and spread "destructive doctrines" causing "great apostacy" and the believing of a "lie." Are these things not all written, and therefore were to come? Indeed, they are written, and have also come. Yet many--those who continue to propagate the "lie"--continue to lie in support of their own believing of the "lie."

What then are the implications of "but each one (individual) in his own order" or time? That answer to this was also given, though it too fell on deaf ears: If the Lamb was "slain before the foundation of the world"--literally, just as "in his own order" is also a literal statement; and if Paul (and we all who are also Christ's) "was (past tense) crucified with Christ"--have we not been given the pillars of actual truth in the midst of our own times--all telling what was even before the world came to be? Is it so outlandish, if these things are all written--even in past tense?

Certainly, it has been. But then Paul also told us that what was necessary, was "the renewing of your mind."

So, what, did you think you could continue to attempt to make sense of these things conceived within the mind of God--by your own understanding and without "the renewing of your mind?"

Why should any of us continue to be so foolish...when these things are indeed written?

There is an explanation for it all--as I have been saying all along, and yet what was sealed and restrained by God--was to be revealed just before the end. This is that time foretold.

 

[HappyOma]

There is an explanation for it all--as I have been saying all along, and yet what was sealed and restrained by God--was to be revealed just before the end. This is that time foretold

The "end" of what? Scripture please.

 

[Scott Downey]

What is the context, Scott? There were some of Paul's own day claiming that the resurrection was already past. IF they understood the resurrecion as bodies popping up out of the ground, how in the world could anyone have believed that? They would not. It is obvious that Paul and those of his day who were being deceived believed that the resurrection was NOT physical or outward--it was spiritual and internal.

I do not deny the resurrection; I deny your false concept of it. Resurrection was the "change" that Paul predicted would happen to HIM and to THOSE of his day. It is over.

Resurrection that saved believers today look forward to is outward and 'physical, it's called the redemption of the BODY.
Believers have already been raised with Christ spiritually, but on the Last Day will be the resurrection of the BODY.

Romans is written to the believing church, ok. Paul is saying the church was raised with Christ, spiritually, ok.
But the believers will also experience a physical resurrection!, ok...

Romans 8
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of [f]corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.

And this too

John 5

Life and Judgment Are Through the Son​

24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

John 5 v24-25 is about believers gaining eternal life, as in raised with Christ in a 'first' resurrection.

John 28-29 is different, happens on the Last Day, and is the bodily resurrection of all mankind, resulting in the redemption of the body for the dead saints, and for the wicked they have the resurrection of condemnation,

Rising in the resurrection
John 6:40
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6:39
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

John 11:24
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
John 12:48
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.


Now we can know we have not had the LAST DAY yet as all the bodies of the dead are still in their graves.

 

[HappyOma]

18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Let's attempt to establish the context here. Paul and those of his day were "groaning" and "eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption." That was THEIR hope--"Hope deferred makes the heart sick" (Prov. 13:12). Did they hope in vain?

Also, according to the Greek text, as presented by YLT, the verse should read: "the glory which is ABOUT TO BE revealed in US." The Greek word "mello" (about to) is found there. It is often not translated and ignored because the translators did not like the IMMINENCY to the first-century saints it clearly gave to many texts. There are a lot of such examples.

It should also be observed that the "our body" (in the Greek) is rendered with a PLURAL personal pronoun (our) to modify the noun ("body"--SINGULAR). It does not read: "Our BODIES." This is not about individual bodies. It is about the work of resurrecting all of those IN CHRIST at His coming. In other words, it was the act that fitted THEM for heaven. This was the longing of the OT saints--restoration of the fellowship with God lost in the FIRST Adam. THEY (Paul and those of his day) were eagerly awaiting the salvation that would fully redeemed them at the COMING of Christ in A. D. 70. This is the "salvation" Jesus told those disciples right there with Him to look for at His coming (Luke 21).

 

[HappyOma]

Rising in the resurrection
John 6:40
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6:39
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

John 11:24
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
John 12:48
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

What is the "last day," Scott? THEY were so far into the "last days" that Peter wrote: "Little children, it is the last HOUR" (1 John 2:18). THEIR salvation drew near. Their anticipation was the "end of the age" of the Old Covenant/the Mosaic Age. THAT age had a "last day" and a "last hour"--in their own generation. In John's own day, it was the "last hour" of the "last day" of OT Israel. The last day occurred in the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem in A. D. 70.

 

[Scott Downey]

What is the "last day," Scott? THEY were so far into the "last days" that Peter wrote: "Little children, it is the last HOUR" (1 John 2:18). THEIR salvation drew near. Their anticipation was the "end of the age" of the Old Covenant/the Mosaic Age. THAT age had a "last day" and a "last hour"--in their own generation. In John's own day, it was the "last hour" of the "last day" of OT Israel. The last day occurred in the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem in A. D. 70.

Rising in the resurrection
John 6:40
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6:39
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

John 11:24
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
John 12:48
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.


Now we can know we have not had the LAST DAY yet as all the bodies of the dead are still in their graves.

The above can not be denied, except if someone is insane.
Go to any grave yard and dig up their graves and you find their bones, unless they dissolved.

 

[Scott Downey]

Will the Resurrection of the Body Be a Physical Resurrection from the Dead?

Yes, our bodies will be raised not spiritually or ethereally but physically and materially. Our souls will be reunited with our transformed physical bodies, brought back to life from the dead. Scripture teaches this in many ways. First, simply to…

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Will the Resurrection of the Body Be a Physical Resurrection from the Dead?​

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Matt Perman

Guest Contributor
Yes, our bodies will be raised not spiritually or ethereally, but physically and materially. Our souls will be reunited with our transformed physical bodies, brought back to life from the dead. Scripture teaches this in many ways.

First, simply to speak of a "resurrection" of the dead (Matthew 22:30-31; Luke 14:14; 1 Corinthians 15:52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16) is to imply physicality. That is what a resurrection is. The Bible has no categories for the concept of a resurrected body that remains dead and physically lying in a grave.

Second, Philippians 3:20-21 teaches us that Christ's resurrection body is the pattern of our resurrection body: "For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory." We know that Christ was raised in a physical body because the disciples ate with Him after the resurrection (Acts 10:41) and touched Him (Matthew 28:9; see also John 20:27). Also, Jesus outright declared that His resurrection body was physical and touchable: "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have" (Luke 24:39; see also Acts 13:33-37). Since Christ's resurrection is the pattern of our resurrection, we will therefore be raised in a physical body as well.

Third, Romans 8:21-23 speaks of waiting for "the redemption of our bodies" (v. 23). Our bodies are not going to be thrown away. They are going to be renewed, restored, revitalized.

Fourth, Jesus speaks of the resurrection as involving the coming forth of individuals out of their tombs, which clearly indicates a physical concept of the resurrection: "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment" (John 5:28-29).

Fifth, the Old Testament speaks of the resurrection as being physical: "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt" (Daniel 12:2). Likewise, we read in Job: "I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last He will take His stand on the earth. Even after my skin is destroyed, yet from my flesh I shall see God; Whom I myself shall behold, and whom my eyes shall see and not another. My heart faints within Me" (Job 19:25-27).

 

[HappyOma]

last day.

He still have not told me what the "last day" means.

 

[Scott Downey]

He still have not told me what the "last day" means.

The Last Day is the return of Christ when He judges the WHOLE ENTIRE world of all mankind, and EVERY EYE will see Him, not just Israel.
And ALL the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him, for He has come to judge them on the Last Day of this world.
All the demons will also be judged and cast into hell-lake of fire, it is their end day.

Revelation 1:7
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Acts 17

Addressing the Areopagus​

22 Then Paul stood in the midst of the [i]Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; 23 for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:

TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.

Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26 And He has made from one [j]blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

 

[ScottA]

The "end" of what? Scripture please.

What are the scriptures but an echo of His voice, that you may know when He speaks and not just any man? Learn them.

The end of the world.