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When the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by VictoryinJesus, Aug 10, 2021.

  1. ReChoired

    ReChoired Well-Known Member

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    Yes, 12 fruits of the tree of life. 12 is the number of service as I said, and the fruit (being natural) also points to the spiritual (1 Corinthians 15:46) fruit of the Spirit (victory over sin, satan, self), which is for service to God and man in love. As for 12 times, it is for the fullness of the year, in which it is for service to God and man (love again). In other words, serve God always.
     
  2. Truth7t7

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    Curtis the woman in Revelation 12:6 represents the "Remnant Church" seen in Roman's chapter 11, in Israel's wilderness during the 1260 day tribulation

    Curtis you will closely note Micah 7:13-18 is a detailed description of Revelation 12:6, the Remnant will be in the wilderness of Carmel, Bashan, and Gilead, they will be fed "Manna" from heaven as in the days of coming out of Egypt, the world will watch in "Fear" of the Lord's power

    Revelation 12:6KJV
    6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

    Micah 7:13-18KJV
    13 Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.
    14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.

    15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.
    16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
    17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee.
    18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.
     
  3. Truth7t7

    Truth7t7 Well-Known Member

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    (Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great Of Revelation Chapter 17

    The Levitical High Priest & Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

    (Revelation) 17:4KJV
    4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

    Yes, The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

    (Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
    15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
    16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
    17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
    18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
    19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
    20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

    (Jerusalem) is the seven hilled city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

    (Revelation) 17:9KJV
    9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

    List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
    Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

    The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

    (Revelation) 18:24KJV
    24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

    (Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
    29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
    30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
    31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
    32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
    33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
    34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
    35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
    36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
    37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
     
  4. Truth7t7

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    The tribulation will be 1260 days,42 months, or 3.5 years, and will start when the Antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem proclaiming to be Messiah God

    The 1260 days of the (Two Witnesses) Rev 11 and the 42 months of (The Beast) Rev 13 are "Parallel" the exact same time frame

    The (Two Witnesses) will rule the tribulation through Gods plagues, just as Moses/Aaron ruled Pharaoh of Egypt
     
  5. Ronald Nolette

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    Well I do not believe he is cast to earth before teh mid point of the 70th week of Daniel so I cannot answer to that point.

    He sees He is cast to earth for there is war in heaven and Satan is "physically" kicked out. He still has access right now, but won't in the mid-point.

    How? bible doesn't say so I can't either

    I make an assumption on your last question. Satan knows the Scripture very well. He knows tthe timing of events in the 70th week of Danile so he knows when he is kicked out of heaven, he has only 3 1/2 years
     
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    Sorry truth, but you are just as wrong now as you were when you posted this before!

    Jerusalem cannot be that great city for the simple facat is that Judaism is not the mother of harlots and abominations on earth. that fact of SCripture alone precludes Jerusalem. though I can't say for sure- my vote is the rebuilt actual city of
    Babylon, which in ancient times was the mother of all false religious systems.
     
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    Jerusalem Is "The Great City" Where Jesus Christ Was Crucified, Read And Heed

    Revelation 11:8KJV
    8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
     
  8. Curtis

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    Jesus shows the general tribulation separated by the abomination of desolation event. from the great tribulation that follows in Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13.

    It’s daniels 70th week, not Daniels half of a week.

    And they’re the witnesses, not the two rulers.

    Shalom
     
  9. Curtis

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    Biblically, the church never has the symbology of the sun, moon, and stars above her head.

    Israel does.

    BTW your version would mean the church gave birth to Jesus - which is backwards - He gave birth to the church.

    Israel birthed the Messiah.

    David Guzik commentary:

    Scripturally, this woman clothed with the sun should be identified with Israel, according to Joseph’s dream (Gen 37:9-11). In that dream, the sun represents Jacob, the moon represents Joseph’s mother Rachel, and the eleven stars are the sons of Israel which bow down to Joseph. In this sign with twelve stars, Joseph is now “among” the other tribes of Israel.

    Shalom
     
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    Malachi 4:v.1-2

    1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the Day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

    2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.


    THE SUN

    The Sun of righteousness is the Greater Light sent by the Most High GOD in the fourth Day or fourth millennium. The Sun of righteousness, i.e. the Greater Light, he said: John 8:v.12 to 16

    12 I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.


    13 The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.

    14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.


    15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

    16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. (in the fourth Day)


    THE MOON

    The MOON is the Lesser Light. He, the Lesser Light, doesn't have its own light like JESUS does, so he needs to receive from the light of the Sun of righteousness, the Greater Light, to reflect his light in the world. John 16:v.12 to 15

    12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

    13 Howbeit when he -the Lesser Light-, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself (he has not its own light as JESUS has); but
    whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


    THE WOMAN - Revelation 12:v.1

    And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the Sun-the Greater Light-, and the Moon-the Lesser Light- under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:


    TWELVE STARS - twelve apostles

    Matthew 19:v.27-28
    27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

    28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, Judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    1 John 5:v.7

    There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One.


    The woman, true Church of the Lord, the body of Christ, are really clothed with the Sun, the Greater Light, and the Moon, the Lesser Light, is under her feet, surely, and she is crowned with a crown of twelve stars.
     
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    Not only is the woman of Revelation 12 Israel, that Micah passage is, too.
     
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    They are the "Remnant" Jews, that will be saved, those chosen seen In Roman's Chapter 11, they will be added to the church on earth

    Micah 7:18KJV
    18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.
     
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    You’ve got that reversed: gentiles are wild olive branches grafted onto their tree, and into the new covenant God made with the houses of Judah and Israel.
     
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    Only the "Remnant Elect" are chosen and called, the rest of the Jews are "Blinded"

    Romans 11:6--8KJV
    6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
    7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
    8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
     
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    Romans 2:v.5 to 16
    5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

    6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

    7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

    8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

    9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

    10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

    11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
    (the Jewish people) shall be judged by the law;


    12 For as many as have sinned without law (The Gentiles) shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law (the Jewish people, the clay, the dry land) shall be Judged by the law;

    13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

    14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

    15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

    16 In the day when God shall Judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. (This Day arrived)
     
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    The Jews That Reject Jesus Christ, Will Be Judged The Very Same As All That Reject Jesus Christ, By The Words He Has "Spoken"

    John 12:48KJV
    48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
     
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    He spoke acceptance and healing to all. If they don’t want it, it won’t be forced on them.

    It will be quite unlike our caring governments who are talking about mandating mr spikey juice for the well being of all....ahhggg, pulling the strings.
     
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    The metaphor of a Woman is used for both a pure and an impure Woman.
     
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    That is true. But as aways with interpretation context is everything, and with metaphor gender is variable. The fact that backsliding Israel and Judah are metaphorically portrayed as harlots doesn't in any way conflict with the tribes of Israel being twice metaphorically portrayed as a woman glorified by celestial bodies.

    Jer 2:20 "For of old I have broken your yoke and burst your bonds; And you said, 'I will not transgress,' When on every high hill and under every green tree You lay down, playing the harlot.
    Jer 3:1
    "They say, 'If a man divorces his wife, And she goes from him And becomes another man's, May he return to her again?' Would not that land be greatly polluted? But you have played the harlot with many lovers; Yet return to Me," says the LORD.
    Jer 3:6-14 The LORD said also to me in the days of Josiah the king: "Have you seen what backsliding Israel has done? She has gone up on every high mountain and under every green tree, and there played the harlot. (7) And I said, after she had done all these things, 'Return to Me.' But she did not return. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. (8) Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also. (9) So it came to pass, through her casual harlotry, that she defiled the land and committed adultery with stones and trees. (10) And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah has not turned to Me with her whole heart, but in pretense," says the LORD. (11) Then the LORD said to me, "Backsliding Israel has shown herself more righteous than treacherous Judah. (12) Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say: 'Return, backsliding Israel,' says the LORD; 'I will not cause My anger to fall on you. For I am merciful,' says the LORD; 'I will not remain angry forever. (13) Only acknowledge your iniquity, That you have transgressed against the LORD your God, And have scattered your charms To alien deities under every green tree, And you have not obeyed My voice,' says the LORD. (14) "Return, O backsliding children," says the LORD; "for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.
     
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    Yeah two jabs now their pushing the booster, going so far as offering a $100 to vaccinate, makes you wonder?
     
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