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  1. biloqewu

    biloqewu Member

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    I just finished a new study on why I believe the second coming of the Messiah is just under 8 years away from today. Although no one knows the day nor the hour, we can come to know the year, just as the Israelites knew the year of their own deliverance, since Abraham was told "your descendants shall be afflicted 400 years". My research is based on counting the known genealogies beginning from Adam, also certain timelines of the scriptures, like the entrance of the Israelites into Egypt, and their exodus (taking into account several misconceptions of when the 430 and 400 year timelines to the exodus of Israel from Egypt actually began), also when the first temple was constructed, then the timelines of the kings of Judah (taking into account coregencies), then the 490 years prophecy of Daniel, then the timeline from the baptism of the Messiah to today, also the Jubilee cycles of the Torah, also the 1,290+1335 years of Daniel and how they relate to the Dome of the Rock and the time of the end, and ultimately, why the Messiah would indeed come on a Year 6000 and why his rulership is one thousand years on earth. I have also converted the calculated years since the beginning into Gregorian years, where it can be seen that the calculated Gregorian year of those events do indeed line up with the approximate known year of those events by experts. When the Year of the Second Coming Will Be, the Millennial Shabbat of the Year 6000 YB, Jubilees, and the 1290+1335 Days of Daniel | Wisdom of God .
     
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    Greetings, biloqewu.

    I appreciate the work you put into your studies, but I would strongly advise you not to engage in date-setting. If no one takes notice then I suppose it is no harm, no foul. But if you influence others to actually believe this and turn out to be wrong, you could damage their faith in Christ irreparably for placing their trust in a false hope.

    Blessings in Christ,
    Hidden In Him
     
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    I believe it is a futile effort attempting to determine the return of the Lord. I'm more concerned with encouraging the church of Christians and as God leads, witnessing to the unbelievers.


    Luke 12:39-40 KJVS
    And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. [40] Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

    Acts 1:7 KJVS
    And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

    We are to look for his coming but through history many have set times, dates but were in error.
     
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    Calculating a year is not "date-setting". If I were date-setting, I would be saying, on September 11 the Messiah is coming. We do not know hour nor day, but we can come to know the year. The year of the coming of the Messiah is a very exact year, which can be derived through careful study of the appointed times of the Torah, the timelines of the history of the scriptures, and the timelines of the prophecies of scriptures. It will not a be random event in time, but a precise year, a Year 6000 YB, a year of Jubilee.
     
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    A wise man does not discard knowledge that is freely given to him.
     
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    Ok, year-setting then. Let me rephrase it, because I'm serious here, and I mean it for your welfare just as much as for anyone else's:

    I would strongly advise you not to engage in year-setting. If no one takes notice then I suppose it is no harm, no foul. But if you influence others to actually believe this and turn out to be wrong, you could damage their faith in Christ irreparably for placing their trust in a false hope.
     
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    You're the only person God has told. Congratulations. Through the millenia you're the only one that has been shown how to determine this? There have been no other wise men with ability to join numbers, add & subtract. Are you aware that this is a subject that will always draw suspicion?

    I withdraw from this pointless discussion. Since none of us living will be here it's all pointless.

    True wisdom is never rejected. False knowledge is never invited in.
     
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    You might want to take a look at our blog post entitled God's Great Sabbath Day for further insight on this. It covers the Jubilee cycle likewise.
     
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    And if I turn out to be right, then countless people could benefit from this knowledge and have the urgency to prepare. And if I turn out to be wrong, then they would've done the right thing anyways by preparing. 8 years is not alot of time. Even now there are rumors of a forming United States of Europe. It is the 8th and final head of the beast of Revelation. I will not stop sharing this message of urgency because it is indeed the last hour. I have the prophetic timelines, the calculated genealogies and timelines of the scriptures, and the Torah timelines that prove that what I'm saying is the truth. And even still, after putting these matters in your face, some of you still say, "you shouldn't be talking about this". Foolish.
     
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    God did not literally tell me this, as if he told me in a dream, or as if an angel of Gold told me, he has simply permitted to me to understand the timelines, prophecies, and genealogies of the scriptures, which are also available to you. I am also not the only one that has derived these numbers, there are other men that have that can easily be searched on google. Few have this knowledge, because of choice, because many want to be willfully ignorant of all this, such as yourself.
     
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    I began to read your linked article on the chronology of the OT, and did not have a great issue with the YB dates that you provided for when the patriarchs were born right up to when Terah was born, but then saw that you discounted the Genesis 11:26 was correct in stating that Terah was 70 years old when he begot Abram, based on a flawed understanding of what Stephen stated in Acts 7 that Abram left Haran after his father had died, but this has to be understood from a Jewish Cultural perspective, as what is recorded of Stephen's defence is silent as to who the father was that Stephen was referring to. You then also chose to ignore what Stephen had said concerning when God had first interacted with Abram and stated the covenantal dialogue between Him and Abram and gave the first of the promises to Abram. Stephen clearly stated that Abram was still in Ur when the covenantal promises started to be given.

    Now if you create a story board timeline of the patriarchs and you indicate when the recorded events occurred based on the OT, then you will see that Noah died before Abram left Haran when Abram was around 59 years old. The oral tradition indicates that Abram spent up to 25 years in Haran acquiring flocks. herds, servants and wealth before he set out to go down to Canaan.

    If we consider when Terah died from the OT record, than Terah died around 60 years after Abraham left Haran and around 1 year before Sahar died. This then accounts for the reason as to why Abraham learnt about his brother Nahor's family in Genesis 22:20-24 and why Nahor had sent messages to Abraham at this time.

    Another error I noticed is your assumption that Isaac went down to Egypt and that 400 years later the exodus from Egypt occurred in opposition to Exodus 12:40-41, which clearly states that: -

    Exodus 12:40-41: - 40 Now the sojourn of the children of Israel who lived in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. 41 And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years — on that very same day — it came to pass that all the armies of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt.​

    Now these errors in your article discounts the validity of that article.

    Also your starting point for when Adam was created of about 3844 BC also suggest an error in comparison to the usually accepted year about 4000 to 4100 BC.

    While I accept that the end of this present Age is in our near future, I have formed the view that it will more that likely occur in around 25-30 years time and not as you are suggesting in 8 years time. I have formed this view from Matthew 24:32 which gives an indication of when it will occur, i.e. around 91 plus years from when the fig tree begins to bud once more, depending on how early the spring season began in this prophecy.

    All of the signs are there for us to firm up our understanding of this present time.

    Shalom
     
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    Genesis 11:26 does not state he begot Abram at age 70, it states he began to begot children at age 70,

    When Terah had lived 70 years, he fathered Abram, Nahor, and Haran. (Genesis 11:26)

    And we know Genesis does not necessarily record firstborns first, as seen in the sons of Noah, for Shem was not the firstborn, for 2 years after the flood he was 100, therefore Shem was born when Noah was 503, not 500 when his firstborn was born,

    These are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Sons were born to them after the flood. (Genesis 10:1)

    And Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth. (Genesis 5:32)

    And Abram was not Terah's first child, because Abram was 75 when Terah died at 205,

    Terah took Abram his son and Lot the son of Haran, his grandson, and Sarai his daughter-in-law, his son Abram’s wife, and they went forth together from Ur of the Chaldeans to go into the land of Canaan, but when they came to Haran, they settled there.
    The days of Terah were 205 years, and Terah died in Haran
    . (Genesis 11:31-32)

    So Abram went, as Yehovah had told him, and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. (Genesis 12:4)

    Thus Terah was 130 when he fathered Abram, not 70, that would've been impossible according to the math. And since the 430 and 400 years end at the same time of the Exodus of Israel from Egypt, therefore the 430 began when Abram was 70, 5 years prior to the death of Terah in Haran and also his departure from Haran when his father died that year, and the 400 years began when Abram was 100, for that is when his first descendant was born, Isaac, who was the first sojourner of the descendants of Abram.

    Also, when did I say Isaac went down to Egypt? You are saying things I didn't say. Or you're making it up. Or making suppositions. Or you just don't know what you're talking about.
     
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    Perhaps in your article where you made the following statement I had misunderstood: -

    “. . . and the 400 years to the exodus began when Abraham was 100, which was when Abraham’s first descendant through the promise was born, which was Isaac, who was the first sojourner of the descendants of Abraham, in the time of sojourning in the land of Canaan and also the land of Egypt before the exodus, . . . “​

    what you had written.

    In my response to your claim in your article that you had linked to, I had also quoted Exodus 12:40-41: -

    It clearly states that the children of Israel, i.e. Jacob, spent 430 years in Egypt before they were brought out by God. Jacob went down to Egypt 190 years after the birth of Isaac, but you have it seems to me to have chosen to ignore this fact in your article.

    As to the age when Terah begot Abram, the Book of Jasher confirms that Terah was 70 years old when Abram was born. Its account also suggests that terah was 38 years old when Nahor and Haran were born to Terah.

    The story board timeline I was able to construct from the information contained in the Book of Genesis also confirmed that Tedrah also died around 60 years after Abraham had left Haran as is hinted at in Genesis 22.

    You then chose to use a false argument which went like this: -

    Perhaps you should look to your own understanding before you make claims like in the quote above.

    You have errors in your chronological timeline you are using to justify your proposition.

    Shalom
     
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    Do you not understand that it is mathematically impossible for Terah to have begotten Abraham at age 70 if Abraham was 75 when Terah died at 205? Hello? 205-75=130. 1+1=2. Forget about what any other book outside the Torah says, the Torah says,

    Terah took Abram his son and Lot the son of Haran, his grandson, and Sarai his daughter-in-law, his son Abram’s wife, and they went forth together from Ur of the Chaldeans to go into the land of Canaan, but when they came to Haran, they settled there.
    THE DAYS OF TERAH WERE 205 YEARS, AND TERAH DIED IN HARAN
    . (Genesis 11:31-32)

    So Abram went, as Yehovah had told him, and Lot went with him. ABRAM WAS 75 YEARS OLD WHEN HE DEPARTED HARAN. (Genesis 12:4)

    Next, the the people of Israel were not in Egypt 430 years. This is a misconception. They sojourned Egypt and Canaan 430 years, which was a countdown that began FROM the time Abraham was called at Ur of the Chaldeans and a promise was made to him then, which happened at age 70,

    Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his seed. It does not say, “And to seeds,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your seed,” who is the Messiah. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. (Galatians 3:16-17)

    And the sojourning of the children of Israel, while they sojourned in the land of Egypt and the land of Canaan, was four hundred and thirty years. (Exodus 12:40)
     
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    You could simply show the scriptures that clearly state that Abram left his fathers household after his father had died.

    Simple logic would suggest that that is not possible as the house of Terah would not have existed if Abram had left after Terah had died.

    Shalom
     
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    No, because even in the book of Acts we read,

    And Stephen said: “Brothers and fathers, hear me. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran, and said to him, ‘Go out from your land and from your kindred and go into the land that I will show you.’ Then he went out from the land of the Chaldeans and lived in Haran. And after his father died, God removed him from there into this land in which you are now living. Yet he gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot’s length, but promised to give it to him as a possession and to his seed after him, though he had no child. And God spoke to this effect—that his seed would be sojourners in a land belonging to others, would be enslaved and afflicted four hundred years. (Acts 7:2-6)

    God called and gave Abraham a promise in Ur of the Chaldeans, at age 70, while he father was still alive, then they all went to Haran, and 5 years later after the promise was made by God to Abraham Terah died in Haran, when he was 205, which was when Abraham was 75, then in that same year Abraham departed to Canaan.
     
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    You can keep repeating the same old line but that does not make it right.

    Biblical account.

    Genesis 11:26: - When Terah had lived seventy years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

    The Book of jasher’s account

    Jasher 7:50-51: - 50And Terah took a wife and her name was Amthelo the daughter of Cornebo; and the wife of Terah conceived and bare him a son in those days. 51Terah was seventy years old when he begat him, and Terah called the name of his son that was born to him Abram, because the king had raised him in those days, and dignified him above all his princes that were with him.

    Jasher 8: - 1And it was in the night that Abram was born, that all the servants of Terah, and all the wise men of Nimrod, and his conjurors came and ate and drank in the house of Terah, and they rejoiced with him on that night. 2And when all the wise men and conjurors went out from the house of Terah, they lifted up their eyes toward heaven that night to look at the stars, and they saw, and behold one very large star came from the east and ran in the heavens, and he swallowed up the four stars from the four sides of the heavens.

    3And all the wise men of the king and his conjurors were astonished at the sight, and the sages understood this matter, and they knew its import. 4And they said to each other, “This only betokens the child that has been born to Terah this night, who will grow up and be fruitful, and multiply, and possess all the earth, he and his children for ever, and he and his seed will slay great kings, and inherit their lands.”

    5And the wise men and conjurors went home that night, and in the morning all these wise men and conjurors rose up early and assembled in an appointed house. 6And they spoke and said to each other, “Behold the sight that we saw last night is hidden from the king, it has not been made known to him. 7And should this thing get known to the king in the latter days, he will say to us, ‘Why have you concealed this matter from me,’ and then we shall all suffer death; therefore, now let us go and tell the king the sight which we saw, and the interpretation thereof, and we shall then remain clear.”

    8And they did so, and they all went to the king and bowed down to him to the ground, and they said, “May the king live, may the king live. 9We heard that a son was born to Terah the son of Nahor, the prince of thy host, and we yesternight came to his house, and we ate and drank and rejoiced with him that night. 10And when thy servants went out from the house of Terah, to go to our respective homes to abide there for the night, we lifted up our eyes to heaven, and we saw a great star coming from the east, and the same star ran with great speed, and swallowed up four great stars, from the four sides of the heavens. 11And thy servants were astonished at the sight which we saw, and were greatly terrified, and we made our judgment upon the sight, and knew by our wisdom the proper interpretation thereof, that this thing applies to the child that is born to Terah, who will grow up and multiply greatly, and become powerful, and kill all the kings of the earth, and inherit all their lands, he and his seed forever.

    “12And now our lord and king, behold we have truly acquainted thee with what we have seen concerning this child. 13If it seemeth good to the king to give his father value for this child, we will slay him before he shall grow up and increase in the land, and his evil increase against us, that we and our children perish through his evil.”

    14And the king heard their words and they seemed good in his sight, and he sent and called for Terah, and Terah came before the king. 15And the king said to Terah, “I have been told that a son was yesternight born to thee, and after this manner was observed in the heavens at his birth. 16And now therefore give me the child, that we may slay him before his evil springs up against us, and I will give thee for his value, thy house full of silver and gold.”

    17And Terah answered the king and said to him: “My Lord and king, I have heard thy words, and thy servant shall do all that his king desireth. 18But my lord and king, I will tell thee what happened to me yesternight, that I may see what advice the king will give his servant, and then I will answer the king upon what he has just spoken;” and the king said, “Speak.”

    19And Terah said to the king, “Ayon, son of Mored, came to me yesternight, saying, ‘20Give unto me the great and beautiful horse that the king gave thee, and I will give thee silver and gold, and straw and provender for its value;’ and I said to him, ‘Wait till I see the king concerning thy words, and behold whatever the king saith, that will I do.’ 21And now my lord and king, behold I have made this thing known to thee, and the advice which my king will give unto his servant, that will I follow.”

    22And the king heard the words of Terah, and his anger was kindled, and he considered him in the light of a fool. 23And the king answered Terah, and he said to him, “Art thou so silly, ignorant, or deficient in understanding, to do this thing, to give thy beautiful horse for silver and gold or even for straw and provender? 24Art thou so short of silver and gold, that thou shouldst do this thing, because thou canst not obtain straw and provender to feed thy horse? and what is silver and gold to thee, or straw and provender, that thou shouldst give away that fine horse which I gave thee, like which there is none to be had on the whole earth?”

    25And the king left off speaking, and Terah answered the king, saying, “Like unto this has the king spoken to his servant; 26I beseech thee, my lord and king, what is this which thou didst say unto me, saying, Give thy son that we may slay him, and I will give thee silver and gold for his value; what shall I do with silver and gold after the death of my son? Who shall inherit me? Surely then at my death, the silver and gold will return to my king who gave it.”

    27And when the king heard the words of Terah, and the parable which he brought concerning the king, it grieved him greatly and he was vexed at this thing, and his anger burned within him.

    28And Terah saw that the anger of the king was kindled against him, and he answered the king, saying, “All that I have is in the king's power; whatever the king desireth to do to his servant, that let him do, yea, even my son, he is in the king's power, without value in exchange, he and his two brothers that are older than he.”

    29And the king said to Terah, “No, but I will purchase thy younger son for a price.”

    30And Terah answered the king, saying, “I beseech thee my lord and king to let thy servant speak a word before thee, and let the king hear the word of his servant,” and Terah said, “Let my king give me three days' time till I consider this matter within myself, and consult with my family concerning the words of my king;” and he pressed the king greatly to agree to this. 31And the king hearkened to Terah, and he did so and he gave him three days' time, and Terah went out from the king's presence, and he came home to his family and spoke to them all the words of the king; and the people were greatly afraid.

    32And it was in the third day that the king sent to Terah, saying, “Send me thy son for a price as I spoke to thee; and shouldst thou not do this, I will send and slay all thou hast in thy house, so that thou shalt not even have a dog remaining.’

    33And Terah hastened, (as the thing was urgent from the king), and he took a child from one of his servants, which his handmaid had born to him that day, and Terah brought the child to the king and received value for him. 34And the Lord was with Terah in this matter, that Nimrod might not cause Abram's death, and the king took the child from Terah and with all his might dashed his head to the ground, for he thought it had been Abram; and this was concealed from him from that day, and it was forgotten by the king, as it was the will of Providence not to suffer Abram's death.

    35And Terah took Abram his son secretly, together with his mother and nurse, and he concealed them in a cave, and he brought them their provisions monthly. 36And the Lord was with Abram in the cave and he grew up, and Abram was in the cave ten years, and the king and his princes, soothsayers and sages, thought that the king had killed Abram

    Now I am not saying that the Book of Jasher is better than the Bible. What I am saying is that the Book of Jasher confirms how old Terah was when Abram was born.
     
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    The Book of Jasher also provides the following information: -

    The book of Jasher 22: 31- 34: - 31And Terah, father of Nahor and Abraham, went and took another wife in his old age, and her name was Pelilah, and she conceived and bare him a son and he called his name Zoba. 32And Terah lived twenty-five years after he begat Zoba. 33And Terah died in that year, that is in the thirty-fifth year of the birth of Isaac son of Abraham. 34And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years, and he was buried in Haran.

    This information is in line with the Biblical Account. Strange that.
     
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    An old superman comic book told me that the end of time will take place in 3060. :cool:. Which would place the rapture somewhere around 2053 and the second coming in 2060. Only time will tell.
     
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    One cannot arbitrarily replace days with years. The days mentioned by Daniel are days, and there is sufficient evidence to confirm this.

    And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; [literally "evenings and mornings"] then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. (Dan 8:14).

    And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days. [לְיָמִ֥ים
    (le·ya·mim) = days]
    (Dan 8:26)

    And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (Dan 12:11) [יָמִ֕ים אֶ֖לֶף מָאתַ֥יִם וְתִשְׁעִֽים׃
    = yamim elep matayim wetisim]

    Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (Dan 12:12) [לְיָמִ֕ים אֶ֕לֶף שְׁלֹ֥שׁ מֵאֹ֖ות שְׁלֹשִׁ֥ים וַחֲמִשָּֽׁה = leyamim elep selos meowt selosim wahamissah]
     
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