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  1. ScottA

    ScottA Well-Known Member

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    biloqewu,

    Has the Lord not come to you, and is He not now with you?

    If you say, Yes, and know the day and the hour...your witness is good. But if you say, Yes, but I believe a day some eight years in the future is a better day than the day He came to you...your witness is false. For, if you say that He has first gone to the Father and has since come to you, He has indeed returned, but you have denied Him in spirit - which is His only return, for He Himself said, "the world will see me no more."

    But if you will not deny Him, understand: The only day and hour that no man knows, is that day and hour of his own death. But some will say, that a condemned man indeed knows, and according to the dead, they are correct. However, God is not the god of the dead, but of the living. Thus, the day and hour is not that day of physical death, but that day and hour which no one knows is rather when one is born again of the spirit of God.

    Therefore, it is for this reason that I have asked you if He has come to you. That you might change course and give a good and faithful witness to the truth.
     
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    biloqewu Active Member

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    The book of Jasher is NOT correct, the Torah is correct, AGAIN, I WILL REPEAT,

    Terah took Abram his son and Lot the son of Haran, his grandson, and Sarai his daughter-in-law, his son Abram’s wife, and they went forth together from Ur of the Chaldeans to go into the land of Canaan, but when they came to Haran, they settled there.
    The days of Terah were 205 years, and Terah died in Haran
    . (Genesis 11:31-32)

    So Abram went, as Yehovah had told him, and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. (Genesis 12:4)

    Why are you so stubborn and reject what the Torah says?
     
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    biloqewu Active Member

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    Nope. Impossible. This is what the Torah says,

    Terah took Abram his son and Lot the son of Haran, his grandson, and Sarai his daughter-in-law, his son Abram’s wife, and they went forth together from Ur of the Chaldeans to go into the land of Canaan, but when they came to Haran, they settled there.
    The days of Terah were 205 years, and Terah died in Haran
    . (Genesis 11:31-32)

    So Abram went, as Yehovah had told him, and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. (Genesis 12:4)

    Do you people not understand that 205 - 75 = 130? There is a reason why the Book of Jasher is not included in the canon of the scriptures. What the Torah says is the truth, not what the Book of Jasher says.
     
  4. biloqewu

    biloqewu Active Member

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    Just as each of the days of the 70 weeks of Daniel were literal years, 490 literal years, so were the other prophetic days. This is obvious.
     
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    biloqewu Active Member

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    My witness is true because it is based on the scriptures, which are the truth.
     
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    Jay Ross Well-Known Member

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    If I can read the Torah and come to the same conclusion that Terah died 60 years after Abram left Haran when he was 75 years old, then I can demonstrate that the Book of Jasher is in agreement with the Bible on these issues. With that being said, the Book of Jasher is not always in agreement with the bible. For that matter you are not in agreement with all of the Bible, because you pick and chose which parts of the Bible you accept as being true. You and the 1874 harvest guy have much in common in that you both have strange beliefs and und,
     
  7. biloqewu

    biloqewu Active Member

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    But Terah did not die after Abraham left Haran, Terah died in Haran, AND THEN Abraham left Haran after his father died,

    And Stephen said: “Brothers and fathers, hear me. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran, and said to him, ‘Go out from your land and from your kindred and go into the land that I will show you.’ THEN HE WENT OUT FROM THE LAND OF THE CHALDEANS AND LIVED IN HARAN. AND AFTER HIS FATHER DIED, GOD REMOVED HIM FROM THERE into this land in which you are now living. Yet he gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot’s length, but promised to give it to him as a possession and to his seed after him, though he had no child. And God spoke to this effect—that his seed would be sojourners in a land belonging to others, would be enslaved and afflicted four hundred years. (Acts 7:2-6)

    As such, Terah died in Haran when he was 205, which is when Abraham was 75, when is then when he left Haran after the death of his father,

    Terah took Abram his son and Lot the son of Haran, his grandson, and Sarai his daughter-in-law, his son Abram’s wife, and they went forth together from Ur of the Chaldeans to go into the land of Canaan, but when they came to Haran, they settled there.
    The days of Terah were 205 years, and Terah died in Haran. (Genesis 11:31-32)

    So Abram went, as Yehovah had told him, and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. (Genesis 12:4)

    You're ignoring what the Torah and the apostles said, because you have your own suppositions contrary to what they said.
     
  8. justbyfaith

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    See Revelation 6:15-17, esp. v.17.
     
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    No...it is based on your interpretation of the scriptures which are riddled in parables. Which I have explained as the perspective of the dead verses the living, which are gravely different. But I have given you the meaning in spirit from the living God...if you can receive it.
     
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    What of it? Do you see anyone who is able stand against the Lamb?
     
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    When the Year of the Second Coming Will Be

    "no one knows, not even the Son; only biloqewu"
     
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    So, if we consider Genesis 11:31-32, as you suggest there is no connecting information as to when Abram left Haran. What we are told is that Terah died in Haran. That is to say, Terah did not travel down to Abram to be with his son and to live with him.

    You also reference Genesis 12:1-9 which is contain within the information of the story of Abram and Lot leaving Haran with their flocks, herds and individual house hold and servants. In this account there is no mention of Terah having died, only that Abram was to get of from his father's house. To fulfil this portion of God's words to Abram, then Abram had to leave Haran while Terah was still alive, otherwise he would not have left his father's house, it would have become Nahor's house through inheritance because as you suggest, Nahor was the oldest living son.

    In the Acts 7 account as told by Stephen, we are told that Abraham left Haran after his father, and by custom that would have included Noah, Noah had died. Now, which portion of the scriptures should we believe, should I say you believe. Do we discount both as they both what Stephen said and what is recorded in Genesis seem to contradict each other. If we believe that the Genesis genealogy and chronology is correct, then
    the following patriarchs after Noah had died before Abram had left Ur, Peleg and Nahor, who both died a year or two before Abram had left Ur.
    Then if we consider the time that Abram lived in Haran, only one patriarch died while Abram was living in Haran, and that was Noah. Noah was by the cultural norms considered to be the Father of Abraham.

    With Reu dying around 2 years after Abram had left Haran and Serug dying shortly after Isaac was born. Terah died 60 years after Abraham had left Haran and Arachshad died 74 after but before Jacob was born to Isaac.

    Abraham, Shelak, Shem and Eber all died after the birth of Jacob 100, 104, 136, and 165 years respectively after Abraham had left Haran.

    Now you can dispute the above facts because of the manner in which you are understanding the scriptures with your claim that Terah had died before Abraham had left Haran, but that is the manner in which you are choosing to force the Bible to match your understanding.

    Now the question is what parts of the Bible do I have to discount as being "discredited" because of your method of interpretation.

    Shalom
     
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    My point was that when He returns, every eye shall see Him (Revelation 1:7). Therefore the scripture that was quoted was taken out of context (I went back and put the thing in question in larger print in his quote for you).
     
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    Indeed, every eye will see Him.

    But what exactly are you trying to say...that Jesus misspoke in saying "the world will see me no more?"

    My point, is that both passages are true, but his understanding of them (and apparently your's) cannot be reconciled by using the one passage to prove your misinterpretation of them.
     
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    Did you not read Genesis 11:31 carefully?

    TERAH TOOK ABRAM his son and Lot the son of Haran, his grandson, and Sarai his daughter-in-law, his son Abram’s wife, AND THEY WENT FORTH TOGETHER FROM UR OF THE CHALDEANS to go into the land of Canaan, BUT WHEN THEY CAME TO HARAN, THEY SETTLED THERE. (Genesis 11:32)

    TERAH AND ABRAM WENT TO HARAN TOGETHER. Then, Terah died in Haran after they settled in Haran, which is when Terah was 205,

    The days of Terah were 205 years, and Terah died in Haran. (Genesis 11:32)

    Which was when Abram was 75,

    So Abram went, as the LORD had told him, and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. (Genesis 12:4)

    Which is when Abram then departed from Haran, AFTER HIS FATHER DIED THERE,

    And Stephen said: “Brothers and fathers, hear me. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran, and said to him, ‘Go out from your land and from your kindred and go into the land that I will show you.’ Then he went out from the land of the Chaldeans and lived in Haran. And after his father died, God removed him from there into this land in which you are now living. Yet he gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot’s length, but promised to give it to him as a possession and to his seed after him, though he had no child. And God spoke to this effect—that his seed would be sojourners in a land belonging to others, would be enslaved and afflicted four hundred years. (Acts 7:2-6)

    As such, the 430 year countdown did not begin when Jacob entered Egypt, nor when Isaac was born, nor when Abram lived in Haran, but when Abram lived in Ur of the Chaldeans, which is when the promise was first made to Abram,

    Now Yehovah had said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who curses you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.” (Genesis 12:1-6)

    And he said to him, “I am Yehovah who brought you out from Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to possess.” (Genesis 15:7)

    You are Yehovah, the God who chose Abram and brought him out of Ur of the Chaldeans and gave him the name Abraham. (Nehemiah 9:7)

    Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his seed. It does not say, “And to seeds,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your seed,” who is the Messiah. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.
    (Galatians 3:16-17)

    And the sojourning of the children of Israel, who lived in Egypt and Canaan, was four hundred and thirty years. (Exodus 12:40)

    Which implies the 430 year countdown began when he was 70 years old, before his departure from Haran at age 75. How do we know this? Because the 400 year countdown began when Abraham was 100, when Isaac was born, who was the first descendant of Abraham to be a sojourner, leading up to the same year of the exodus of Israel that the 430 countdown goes to, which implies the 430 year countdown began when Abram was 70, 5 years prior to when they were living in Haran, temporarily, until his father died, to then fulfill "leave your father's house", and that is the year that Abram then departed to Canaan.

    What I have done is taken every scripture on this topic and harmonized everything. You, on the other hand, have presuppositions contrary to scripture, and refuse to understand, because you don't want to, for whatever reasons. It is obvious that I am right, because it is the only logical explanation to explain every passage about this matter. I have no problem believing yay or nay, it makes no difference to me, but what I care about is knowing the actual truth. What I am telling you is the truth.
     
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    So if someone else has taken every scripture on this topic and harmonized everything, (which is a very new age world type of thing to do), and they come to a very different conclusion, then because their conclusion is different to yours and does not discredit any portion of the scriptures by ignoring any passages that does not fit your scenario of what happened, then they are automatically wrong, because you say so and believe that you are telling "God's" truth.

    So far I am seeing that you have picked and chosen the portions of the scriptures that you will believe and also those passages you do not believe because those passages do not fit your understanding of the events and life of Terah, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as well as their descendants.

    Have you not read in the bible that there were ten descendant generations of Israelites born in Egypt as recorded for one of the tribes of Israel? How do you harmonize this scriptural passage to fit your understanding of the story of Israel?

    I can only tell you the truth of the matter. I cannot force you to change your mind as to what is true. May the Lord reveal to you His truth in this matter.

    Shalom
     
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    I am right because everything I said is backed by scripture and does not contradict scripture....... so....... I am right. You can choose to believe me, or not. The choice is yours.
     
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    If you are right then you would not substitute years for days. BIG DIFFERENCE. I already showed you that the Hebrew text of Daniel does not allow you to take such liberties.
     
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    The 490 weeks prophecy proves days are literal years. There is no denying it.
     
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    So be it.
     
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