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ewq1938 said:
No, he is correct. You are the one misunderstanding both Revelation 20 and 2 Peter 3:v.7

The Earth is not dissolved or burned at the second coming. That doesn't happen until over a thousand years later after the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ) is over and the unsaved are in the lake of fire. Only after that did John see the New Heaven and new Earth, Revelation 21.



GOD is not speaking by His Word about the Planet Earth, but against the world of Devil and its evil and devilish works, so Dad is not correct and you are covering his mislead, unfortunately. In this case, your thinking is from human perspective, not from GOD's perspective.

2 Peter 3:v.10-14
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens (the first and second heavens) shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements (the wicked mankind with their religions, and organizations, and all kind of satanic structures built by the men social, cultural, politic, economic, military, among others) shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the WORKS that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that ALL THESE THINGS shall be DISSOLVED (DISMANTLED), what manner of PERSONS ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the Day of God (the Lord's Day), wherein the heavens (the celestial environments of the Old and New Covenants) being on fire shall be DISSOLVED(DISMANTLED), and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens (new heavens? What will be the next? Will not be the third heaven? and after the millennium, the heaven of the heavens? and a new earth (not new Planet, but an PURIFIED earth) wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.- Otherwise...

1 Corinthians 3:v.13-15
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the Day (the Lord's Day) shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by FIRE (GOD IS A CONSUMING/ A DEVOURING FIRE, UNDERSTAND? The Word is GOD); and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


Revelation 6:v.14 to
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll (what heaven? the second heaven, the next is the third heaven, understand) when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved (DISMANTLED) out of their places. (what mountain? what island? do you know? There is a LIST of them in the next post below)

15 And the kings of the earth (THE RULERS, ALL RULERS OF THE CURRENT NATIONS), the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid (will hide) themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne - throne showed in Revelation 4 - , and from the WRATH of the Lamb:

17 For the great Day (the Lord's Day) of His wrath is come-Revelation 11:v.18-; and who shall be able to stand?

Be careful or get ready

P.S.
Isaiah 33:v.10 to 14
14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
 

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dad said:
The heavens we now see will pass away one day. Not when Jesus barely touches down at His return! He then rules here with us for a thousand years. Then there is a new heavens and earth. You conflate events in the day of the Lord and then accuse others of having it wrong.
Save the self righteous threat attempts for someone that doesn't know far far far better.
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What are the heavens you now see?
By the way, do you know what is/are heaven/heavens? You MUST know as a interpret of Scriptures. GOD created several heavens. Which ones are reserved for the fire at this first moment? You MUST know as a interpret of Scriptures.

What does the Word of GOD say? The Word is GOD. Isaiah 40:v.21-22

21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and SPREADETH them out as a tent to dwell in:

That said, what are the heavens you now see? Which ones are reserved for the fire at this current time? GOD is in heaven and He is a devouring/consuming fire. Who among us s
hall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

What does the Word of GOD say?
JESUS warned: Matt. 24:v.6-8:

VERSE 6 - Ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the END is not yet. (Comment: What JESUS said is that the END is not yet, it is not in the beginning of sorows, but in sequence the END comes-1Corinthians 15:v.24-27) Actually, Matthew 24:v.6 here highlighted is fulfilling literally and will continue in future by indefinite days, day after day. The everlasting chastisement STARTED. This is for ever)

VERSE 7 - For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: (Comments: Understand, for now the fulfilment of this prophecy is in stand by because we are in the beginning of sorrows. Actually, the extension of this prophecy goes far, so far, inimaginable, because the chastisements have its beginning, yeah, its beginning, but it WILL NEVER END, it WILL NEVER STOP, BUT NEVER, the punishment is ETERNAL, it is for ever and ever, understand? Once the Word of GOD says it is nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, understand it, there will not be any kind of "Federation" or Confederations-for examples-, and also united groups which there still are today as :
UN - United Nations Organization
NATO - North Atlantic Treaty Organization
OAS - Organization of American States
WTO - World Trade Organization
UNESCO - United Nations Organization for Education, Science and Culture
OECD - Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
BIRD - International Bank for Reconstruction and Development.
IMF - International Monetary Fund
WHO - World Health Organization
ILO - International Labor Organization,
G-7
G-20
among others.


ALL, but ALL, will be destroyed, will be DISSOLVED, yeah, DISSOLVED, DISMANTLED, like a GIGANTIC IMPLOSION, by analogy, something like the INIMAGINABLE fall of the two TOWERS of the WTC-Word Trade Center, so the confusion or mess is done, in other words, the hell's fire starts to burn, the eternal fire, yeah, forever and ever.

For better understand of you and ALL, I remember 2 Peter 3:v.7 to 18:
7 But the HEAVENS and the earth, which are now (THAT ARE THE FIRST AND SECOND HEAVENS, AND THE THIRD WILL BE PLANTED/ESTABLISHED) by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the Day of Judgment (the Lord's Day) and perdition of ungodly men.

10 But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the HEAVENS (the first and the second Testaments - BOTH WILL BE DISSOLVED AND BURNED) shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the WORKS that are therein shall be burned up.
 

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op: When you see things BEGIN to happen -rapture?

Precious friends, Many have supposed they have SEEN "things begin
to happen," but NO rapture. Why has there been a 100% Failure
Rate
in their supposed speculative doctrines? Is in not Because:
Under GRACE, members of The Body Of CHRIST, are to:

1) "...walk BY FAITH, not by sight..." (2Co 5:7)?

2) "If ye then be risen With Christ, seek those things which
are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the
earth." (Col 3:1-2)

3) Watching, Patiently Waiting, and "Looking For...

...That Blessed HOPE and Glorious Appearing
Of The Great God, And our Saviour, JESUS CHRIST!"

(Tit 2:13)
Conclusion: Thus, NO speculating, calculating, and guessing about
The Wicked man of sin and associated signs, are necessary for
"walking/Growing In The Amazing GRACE Of God," * today,
Correct?

GRACE and Peace...

* Instead of Failing, how about "Approval Unto God"?