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Or that it is not. We do know that the trib is the wrath of God and that we won't be in the wrath.


No, the tribulation is satan's wrath against the church, Revelation 12 and 13. God's wrath comes after the trib, Revelation 11.
 

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No, the tribulation is satan's wrath against the church, Revelation 12 and 13. God's wrath comes after the trib, Revelation 11.
Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

This is not after the Trib, as men will still not repent. We can see the judgments are poured out on the people that worship the AntiChrist. That is not after but in the Tribulation.
 

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Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

This is not after the Trib, as men will still not repent. We can see the judgments are poured out on the people that worship the AntiChrist. That is not after but in the Tribulation.


No, the vials are poured when the 7th trump sounds. The Great Tribulation is over at that point meaning satan cannot persecute or harm any Christian anymore.
 

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No, the vials are poured when the 7th trump sounds. The Great Tribulation is over at that point meaning satan cannot persecute or harm any Christian anymore.
Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

So the tribulation is not over here. The people who took the mark get a sore. They get a whole lot more than that when Jesus comes and the Trib is over.

Then in verse 9 we see that men here still will not repent, that is not the end of the trib.

The army did not even come to fight Armageddon yet. The river gets dried up preparing their way

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

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No, the tribulation is satan's wrath against the church, Revelation 12 and 13. God's wrath comes after the trib, Revelation 11.
The only thing Satan can do is not let any one participate in His government. They cannot buy or sell in his economic system.
 

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No, the vials are poured when the 7th trump sounds. The Great Tribulation is over at that point meaning satan cannot persecute or harm any Christian anymore.
The vials are only poured out after the 42 months, during the 3.5 days those 2 witnesses lay dead in Jerusalem. The vials are to kill off the last of humans on earth and force them all to gather at Armageddon. All on earth will die, who is left after those 42 months. None will escape death.
 

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The vials are only poured out after the 42 months, during the 3.5 days those 2 witnesses lay dead in Jerusalem. The vials are to kill off the last of humans on earth and force them all to gather at Armageddon. All on earth will die, who is left after those 42 months. None will escape death.


No, plenty survive the vials and don't go to Armageddon The end of Revelation 2 and Revelation 19 tells us there is a future rule over people using a verb in the future tense so that rule is post-Armageddon proving a great many survive to be ruled over.
 
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The only thing Satan can do is not let any one participate in His government.


He can also have people killed. He can pretty much do anything he wants during the trib.
 

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No, plenty survive the vials and don't go to Armageddon The end of Revelation 2 and Revelation 19 tells us there is a future rule over people using a verb in the future tense so that rule is post-Armageddon proving a great many survive to be ruled over.
Of course the sheep and wheat survive. Harvested does not mean killed. It means changed from Adam's dead corruptible flesh into permanent incorruptible physical bodies.

He can also have people killed. He can pretty much do anything he wants during the trib.

The only way to survive is having one's head removed. That is sorta being dead.

Of course Satan can kill whoever he pleases for not worshipping him. He cannot kill those who are beheaded to avoid the mark and remain in the Lamb's book of life. They are already dead.
 

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Of course the sheep and wheat survive.

The unsaved civilians around the world will survive the second coming.


He cannot kill those who are beheaded to avoid the mark and remain in the Lamb's book of life. They are already dead.


He had them killed.
 

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The unsaved civilians around the world will survive the second coming.

He had them killed.
Satan sent souls directly to the resurrection in Revelation 20:4? That was thoughtful of him. I bet he is thrilled they come back to life and rule with Christ for 1,000 years.

None of Adam's flesh and blood can enter the 1,000 year reign. Either God chose those who enter, like the sheep in Matthew 25, or they are resurrected in Revelation 20:4.
 

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No, he had them beheaded. God is responsible for the resurrections.
You are missing the point. Who else is resurrected besides those beheaded for not receiving the mark? The choice to remain in the Lamb's book of life is to have one's head chopped off. Why would Satan want any one to choose God? People "just killed" is not going to save their souls. There is a specific reason why these are beheaded. It is a choice to choose God over Satan.
 

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You are missing the point. Who else is resurrected besides those beheaded for not receiving the mark?

All the dead in Christ.

The choice to remain in the Lamb's book of life is to have one's head chopped off.

Wrong. To remain in the book of life means you were faithful to Christ. Some died of natural causes, some were murdered and some will be alive when He returns.
 

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When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture
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Wrong. To remain in the book of life means you were faithful to Christ. Some died of natural causes, some were murdered and some will be alive when He returns.

And some will have to choose between living with the mark, and the LOF or having their head cut off, and remaining in the Lamb's book of life. The act of faith will be the choice to remove one's head. If people don't accept Christ by faith now, how is it going to be easier to accept Christ by getting one's head chopped off in a few years from now? Does no one understand that at the point a name is removed from the book of life is when they recieve the mark?

The question is does God wait till a person brands themselves and then removes their name. Or is God both removing their names and putting the mark on them immediately to show they have been removed from the Lamb's book of life. The 144k are sealed by God with a mark. Why would the mark be any different when God removes a name from the Lamb's book of life? Do you think names just dissappear or is God removing them? If a person makes a choice, is that the point God removes their name. Or will people have a choice at all? What if the "left behind" thought process is just plain wrong, and one needs to remove their head before God removes their name? If God sees they have removed their head, they will remain in the Lamb's book of life, and resurrected in Revelation 20:4. What if that is the only act of faith during Satan's 42 months? The redeemed have all been removed prior to Satan's 42 months. Only those lost without Christ are left. Yet they are still in the Lamb's book of life, until God removes their name and places the mark upon them. Most think they put the mark on themselves, what if that is not the case? What if that is the only choice one has: receive the mark or have your head chopped off? Satan is not offering that choice. Satan says one cannot buy or sell in his economic system without the mark.

"the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands."

This does not say Satan beheaded them. It says they were beheaded for the witness of Jesus. It was an act of faith. It means they trusted Jesus and God's Word instead of their own physical life. They also did not receive the mark. A person who had recieved the mark, even though beheaded would not be resurrected. Both conditions had to be true.

Revelation 13 does say Satan can kill those who refuse to worship him, the FP, or the image. No Scripture claims Satan can kill anyone for not receiving the mark. Revelation states they cannot buy or sell without the mark. The claim is made via circular reasoning that worship and the mark are the same thing, but they are not. Worship does show one's allegiance to Satan, but it is a personal choice to actually accept Satan or accept God. Only God knows one's heart no matter one's external behavior. Many claim outwardly they are Christians and even call out the Lord's name. God points out, what is in one's heart and mind that gives them away. And only God knows what is in one's heart and thoughts. Most can lie and deceive those around them. So it is the fruit that gives one away. During the 42 months only two forms of fruit are available. The mark is one fruit, having one's head chopped off is the other fruit. So how is Satan going to be the means of bearing good fruit by having one's head chopped off? You really think Satan wants good fruit to happen? The only thing Satan wants is people to have the mark, and that is the wrong fruit to produce.

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

This does not even say Satan gives the mark. Satan is the cause and effect of why the mark is given. One either chooses Satan, or one chooses God. All have to make the choice. The choice is not because one needs to buy and sell. That is just Satan's incentive to choose Him. I am sure the lazy choice would be to just give in and do what everyone else is doing. I doubt by that point in time, no one will have an excuse there is no God. It got real back at the 6th Seal. The obvious conclusion is that God, and only God knows that some will still choose God. If there is literally no one left at that point to make that choice, the 42 months will not even happen at all. But only God knows that fact of the situation. Any one claiming they know that "Christians" are still alive at that point have missed the point of the OD, and the book of Revelation. They have missed the point of God's grace and longsuffering, and that time is up before the 7th Trumpet sounds.

"And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel...."

God's grace along with Adam's punishment is complete. No more prolonging the time. Yet we see for the sake of some whom only God knows, 42 months is given to Satan to allow a few more souls to accept the Atonement. The point of this acceptance is having one's head removed, an act of faith. If God declares that no one is left to make that choice, there will be no 42 month extension. As God's grace is the only reason for those 42 months, not Satan's will to have control over Christ's glorious throne in Jerusalem.
 

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There is no rapture in the Word of GOD, and what my Lord JESUS said is about them which be accounted WORTHY to enter in the Kingdom of GOD, the next world, understand?-Luke 20:v.35-36. JESUS is the door, it will be impossible to walk through the door with idolatry like your horrible icon, by the way, it is one among countless other idolater figures manufactured on an industrial scale by demons, followers of the red Dragon, the ancient serpent called the Devil and Satan. Revelation 12:v.9
Ephesians 5:v.5 - ...an idolater hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

You MUST destroy that idolatry of your heart, for "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?-Jeremiah 17:v.9
Matt.15:v.19-20
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications,
thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man:
 

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There is no rapture in the Word of GOD, and what my Lord JESUS said is about them which be accounted WORTHY to enter in the Kingdom of GOD, the next world
No rapture, but There Is, In The Word Of Truth:

Great GRACE Departure!:

"Now we which are alive and remain Shall Be
Caught Up with them in the clouds to meet The LORD
in the air."
(1 Thessalonians 4:17 cp 1 Corinthians 15:51-52)

UNbelievers are "not worthy" to enter the kingdom, But:
All believers In The Body Of Christ Are Already
Made worthy By God:

"
Giving thanks unto The Father, Which hath made us meet [worthy]
to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who Hath
Delivered us from the power of darkness, and Hath Translated us
into the kingdom of His Dear SON: In Whom we have Redemption
Through His BLOOD
, even the forgiveness of sins"
(Colossians 1:12-14)

Amen?

GRACE And Peace...
 

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No rapture, but There Is, In The Word Of Truth:

Great GRACE Departure!:

"Now we which are alive and remain Shall Be
Caught Up with them in the clouds to meet The LORD
in the air."
(1 Thessalonians 4:17 cp 1 Corinthians 15:51-52)

UNbelievers are "not worthy" to enter the kingdom, But:
All believers In The Body Of Christ Are Already
Made worthy By God:

"
Giving thanks unto The Father, Which hath made us meet [worthy]
to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who Hath
Delivered us from the power of darkness, and Hath Translated us
into the kingdom of His Dear SON: In Whom we have Redemption
Through His BLOOD
, even the forgiveness of sins"
(Colossians 1:12-14)

Amen?

GRACE And Peace...

The Lord will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And except these days be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's
sake these days shall be shortened, understand? Then if any MAN (Pastors, Bishops, Evangelists, among others) shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not, understand? Romans 9:v.28 combined with Matthew 24:v.22-23, and about false Christ John 5:v.43-47 combined with Revelation 13:v.11-18, OK?
Similarity between passing by the Red Sea and by the Red Dragon

From now on, the WAR is against three unclean spirits like frogs, that come out of the MOUTH of the Dragon-red Dragon-, and out of the MOUTH of the Beast-the Beast of sea-, and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet -the false messiah of the Jews, future guide of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism -. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles,... Revelation 16:v.13 to 16.
THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS - WHY FROGS?

See, one of the 7 heads of the Beast of sea possessed by unclean spirit, spirit of devil, yeah, one of the heads will be wounded to death; and HIS DEADLY WOUND WILL BE HEALED because the Beast of the earth like a lamb with two horns, a false lamb, a false messiah of the Jews, an esoteric, and kabbalistic and spiritist false messiah, a false Christ, false Prophet, will give his Power, and his Throne in Jerusalem, and great Authority-Revelation 13:v.2-, and ALL THE WORLD WILL BE WONDERED after the Beast of sea, and will worship the Dragon -the false messiah of the Jews- which will give power unto the Beast of sea: and they will worship the Beast, saying, Who is like unto the Beast? who is able to make WAR with him?

Well, Michael is able to do.

We cannot be ignorant concerning them which are asleep, even as others which have no hope. By the Word of the Lord - THE WORD IS GOD- , they which are alive and REMAIN unto the revelation/coming of the Lord JESUS will not precede them which are asleep, for the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the ARCHANGEL, and with the trumpet of GOD, and the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST.

Daniel 12:v.1-3
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great Prince-Joshua 5:v.13-14- which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth-1Thes.4:v.16- shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Then they which be alive and remain (until the END) shall be caught up together with them in the third heaven, to meet the Lord in, as the similar EVENT of Exodus 34:v.5-6, and so they will be with the Lord for ever. -

1 Thessalonians 1:v.7-10
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be REVEALED from heaven (from the third heaven) with His mighty angels, (for example- Michael)

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not GOD, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be PUNISHED with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power;

10 When He shall come to be glorified in His saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that Day. (the last Day, the LORD's Day, the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium, the millennium of Christ. This Day arrived)

Be ready or get ready