Where do people get the authority?

[MatthewG]

Matthew,

You are a nice guy, and I don't mean to judge or be overly repetitious, yet repetition is quite biblical, so I have asked you to clarify.

Believing and trusting God and Yeshua, is an essential. I believe Yeshuas words, I believe the words of the Letters written to those people in that time.

I don't mind clarifying my beliefs with the concern of the bible so I am glad I could atleast help in someway, if people were paying attention.

Yes, it is true repetition is also good too.

But if someone comes along an proclaims to be a prophet their predictions must come true.

I love you without even knowing you.

You are free to believe however you want to, and I know for myself I have no authority, and neither do you.

*Edit You have authority to set boundaries with people and those are all well and good.

Sure a Moderator has authority to close the thread down if they like.

I think some of them are weary of me already but they let me continue onward, which is really nice of them.

Aside from this it is a discussion and thankfully I haven't condemned, judge anyone here.

I allow people to think for themselves, there are others out there that could say "I believe everyone must follow my way, otherwise they are cut-off and they are not even of the faith."

That is called, a person who desires control.

This is my thread and I can control it however I want to, and I have not seen anyone provide evidence that the letters today are written "to us."


They are written "for us" to learn from and how to apply the Spirit of Christ within our lives.

It's not all about the end times anymore (exception that is "death"), at least in my opinion, though so many people desire for it to be.

Just like those book written long ago " Left Behind Series " what a load of junk.

 

[ScottA]

You are free to believe however you want to, and I know for myself I have no authority, and neither do you.

Best only speak for yourself.

 

[MatthewG]

Best only speak for yourself.

So you believe you have authority?
Where did you get this authority if that is the case?
Is it from God himself?

I don't believe that you do personally, and I do not mean to offend but I would be very weary of you.


Cause I tell people don't believe me, they shouldn't even trust me. They should investigate it for themselves.

 

[ScottA]

This is my thread and I can control it however I want to, and I have not seen anyone provide evidence that the letters today are written "to us."

Not seeing, does not qualify you to make the claims you have made, nor justify your "beliefs."

 

[MatthewG]

Not seeing, does not qualify you to make the claims you have made, nor justify your "beliefs."

Well it comes down to do I believe what Jesus said or not, and his Apostles.

Otherwise if their predictions didn't come true, they are just liars.

That is how I justify "I believe."

 

[ScottA]

So you believe you have authority?
Where did you get this authority if that is the case?
Is it from God himself?

I don't believe that you do personally, and I do not mean to offend but I would be very weary of you.


Cause I tell people don't believe me, they shouldn't even trust me. They should investigate it for themselves.

Why should I answer you when you have already drawn your own conclusion. Since you are predetermined not to believe, I shall not answer you.

 

[MatthewG]

I can't say "I believe @ScottA." That is me believing in some person, not the Lord himself, or those whom actually had Authority (the Apostles themselves.)

Cause I only believe and trust what God has stated, and the Lord Yeshua himself, and the Apostles.

 

[MatthewG]

Why should I answer you when you have already drawn your own conclusion. Since you are predetermined not to believe, I shall not answer you.

Then do not.. We can end the discussion of you like.

 

[ScottA]

Well it comes down to do I believe what Jesus said or not, and his Apostles.

Otherwise if their predictions didn't come true, they are just liars.

That is how I justify "I believe."

You are only digging deeper and deeper again:

How then do your reconcile Jesus' claim of those standing with Him seeing "Him coming in the clouds"; or Him coming "soon"; or that all that He described "must shortly come to pass?"

 

[MatthewG]

You are only digging deeper and deeper again:

How then do your reconcile Jesus' claim of those standing with Him seeing "Him coming in the clouds"; or Him coming "soon"; or that all that He described "must shortly come to pass?"

Faith. Man, faith. He came, he was seen, he took the bride.

All on faith. I don't have to witness a great event that would never be great again just as Jesus proclaimed it would be.

 

[MatthewG]

My own mother has no problem with the way I believe, @ScottA.

It is mainly mainline people who say "He is coming soon!" Well it's been 2000 years now.

 

[MatthewG]

There been many many many predictions.


Still no Jesus showing up. People dying on their death bed, going on home.

 

[ScottA]

Faith. Man, faith. He came, he was seen, he took the bride.

All on faith. I don't have to witness a great event that would never be great again just as Jesus proclaimed it would be.

The point is you contradict yourself, saying about a prophet "if their predictions didn't come true, they are just liars", but you believe Him anyway by faith, after I sighted 3 seemingly unfulfilled prophecies stated by Jesus.

But that is just one thing. You are making similar mistakes on other matters--which I gotta tell ya, is very reminiscent of Israel in the face of Him coming not according to what they "believed."

 

[MatthewG]

The point is you contradict yourself, saying about a prophet "if their predictions didn't come true, they are just liars", but you believe Him anyway by faith, after I sighted 3 seemingly unfulfilled prophecies stated by Jesus.

But that is just one thing. You are making similar mistakes on other matters--which I gotta tell ya, is very reminiscent of Israel in the face of coming not according to what they "believed."

If you believe Jesus unfilled something, to me that would make him a failure.

Jesus wouldn't fail. I don't accept him as a failure, but a fulfiller.

His promises never failed those people whom were the Church Bride.


Being a person whom seems contradicting is nothing new to me.

 

[ScottA]

Then do not.. We can end the discussion of you like.

Do you think I am going on and on for me? I am not, but for you. We are living in one of the most biblically eventful times in history, and you are making the same mistakes Israel did. I'm trying to help you--but you are every bit as stubborn as they were.

 

[ScottA]

It is mainly mainline people who say "He is coming soon!" Well it's been 2000 years now.

I was not quoting "mainline people", I was quoting Jesus.

 

[MatthewG]

Do you think I am going on and on for me? I am not, but for you. We are living in one of the most biblically eventful times in history, and you are making the same mistakes Israel did. I'm trying to help you--but you are every bit as stubborn as they were.

What did Jesus say to his Disciples in that day in age?

"If a person doesn't listen to your message, kick the dust off your feet."

I was not quoting "mainline people", I was quoting Jesus.

Okay, what difference does it make?

 

[MatthewG]

@ScottA, you didn't even wanna answer my question about "where do you get your proclaimed authority."

That doesn't bother me. And your concern for me, doesn't bother me.

I'm already where I am and fine with it. It seems that Yahavah doesn't condemn me, or make me by the spirit change my mind.

I was a person who believed that Jesus was coming at one point in time, but then I changed, when I was confronted with the reality of that generation going through an event that would never be so great again...


So... ??? I am confused. I trust Yeshua, in not lying to anyone in that day in time. I don't want to give people false hope personally.


All the while, they have the freedom to choose what they want to choose.

 

[ScottA]

If you believe Jesus unfilled something, to me that would make him a failure.

Jesus wouldn't fail. I don't accept him as a failure, but a fulfiller.

His promises never failed those people whom were the Church Bride.


Being a person whom seems contradicting is nothing new to me.

I was not stating what I believe, but what most seem to believe is not true. Most would say that no one of that generation saw Him coming in the clouds, so that is not actually true; and Him coming "soon" didn't seem to happen, so they say that is not actually true; and most don't believe that all that He described "must shortly take place", never took place "shortly."

The point was, you too have given Jesus a pass when it would appear the things He said did not come to pass, but you now have a double standard for anyone else saying something that cannot be proved by you seeing it come to pass.

Meanwhile, I have the answers to all that and more--from God, but you have this double standard keeping you from not receiving what is written as coming when the times are fulfilled...just like Israel did.

 

[ScottA]

@ScottA, you didn't even wanna answer my question about "where do you get your proclaimed authority."

That doesn't bother me. And your concern for me, doesn't bother me.

I'm already where I am and fine with it. It seems that Yahavah doesn't condemn me, or make me by the spirit change my mind.

I was a person who believed that Jesus was coming at one point in time, but then I changed, when I was confronted with the reality of that generation going through an event that would never be so great again...


So... ??? I am confused. I trust Yeshua, in not lying to anyone in that day in time. I don't want to give people false hope personally.


All the while, they have the freedom to choose what they want to choose.

It's just that you are adamantly stating things you believe that are not true--while what is actually true was sealed and yet promised to come just before the end.

And if you knew where you were, you would not be "fine with it."