Where do people get the authority?
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ScottA
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You fight so, and only admit to a little. More of what I said and is written is also true--and right on topic. Why do you turn a blind eye to it? You might as well join the serpent in questioning, "Has God indeed said?"
I am not "self-proclaimed", but I have given you more of what I am than you deserve, but you have not heard.
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Jesus came to rest, and peace and allow us to have contentment with Yahavah through faith.
At least, that is what I gather because his burden is light.
Just gonna share a few scriptures that back what I believe up.
Romans 5:1 states, "Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.". This verse highlights the concept of justification by faith, emphasizing that through faith in Jesus Christ, believers are declared righteous before God and experience a restored relationship with Him, resulting in peace.
Matthew 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
1 John 4:21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, even as he gave us commandment.
Hebrews 11: 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
John 1: 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Romans 5:. 3 Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4 perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.
The phrase "I will write my law on their hearts" is a quote from the Book of Jeremiah, specifically Jeremiah 31:33 and also appears in Hebrews 8:10. It signifies a new covenant where God's law is internalized and written on the hearts and minds of his people, rather than just being an external set of rules. This suggests a deeper, more personal relationship with God, where obedience stems from love and understanding rather than just obligation.
Just remember I am sharing these with anyone who wants to read them.
Whether they hold water or not is up the individual.
I believe and trust the accounts written in the bible, though they were not to me directly but them directly at that point in time, there is some benefit to gain from just looking in to it.
At least, that is what I gather because his burden is light.
Just gonna share a few scriptures that back what I believe up.
Romans 5:1 states, "Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.". This verse highlights the concept of justification by faith, emphasizing that through faith in Jesus Christ, believers are declared righteous before God and experience a restored relationship with Him, resulting in peace.
Matthew 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
1 John 4:21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, even as he gave us commandment.
Hebrews 11: 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
John 1: 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Romans 5:. 3 Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4 perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.
The phrase "I will write my law on their hearts" is a quote from the Book of Jeremiah, specifically Jeremiah 31:33 and also appears in Hebrews 8:10. It signifies a new covenant where God's law is internalized and written on the hearts and minds of his people, rather than just being an external set of rules. This suggests a deeper, more personal relationship with God, where obedience stems from love and understanding rather than just obligation.
Just remember I am sharing these with anyone who wants to read them.
Whether they hold water or not is up the individual.
I believe and trust the accounts written in the bible, though they were not to me directly but them directly at that point in time, there is some benefit to gain from just looking in to it.
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I do say so. what you believe is important only to you
Most of you people dont. I get why though, believe me.
And God spoke through scripture and scripture reveals Jesus left a church behind with leaders. You however know better. Thats cool.
I understand entirely. Much to my despair but I i understand
Yes, it is important to me. However, it is the reason that I share for people to think for themselves, and not what they traditionally have been taught.
I'm a person that believes all reading material is great! From Stephen King to Josephus, to the Bible, to Philosophy, to anything one would want to read.
Its cool if people wanna read the "early church fathers" by all means, but what weighs more?
The Spirit of Christ outweighs, all of them.
Stop it! No one "thinks for themselves" based on your opinions.
So not ALL reading material is "great". For someone who fancies themself a free thinker you seem to be struggling. I didnt suggest the early church fathers outweighs scripture or the "spirit of Christ", I mention them because they give us direct evidence to the church that grew up from the patristic era. Jesus said,
17 Then Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but my heavenly Father. 18 And I say to you: You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the netherworld will not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” Matthew 16:17-20
Now we can argue all day about which church and where this church is but Jesus clearly says "... on this rock I build my my church..." Jesus clearly intends for there to be a church that exists for a very long time. Now with you being a "free thinker" and all i have a choice to make, to listen to you or to heed scripture. No offense friend but you dont make the cut.
Besides your "belief" how do you know you have the "spirit of Christ"?
The Spirit of Christ, causes people to fruits of love, when they abide in him.
While I believe that Church is done and over materially, I still think is cool if people want to go to the Church.
The thing is, today, there is a direct connection between Yahavah and man. That is by and through the faithful seeking.
That is why I shared these scriptures.
There is no man between you and Yahavah/God.
It is your faith, and he works on the hearts and minds of people whom are his.
Did you know that? While mass people follow certain groups, it doesn't mean anything to God.
He is looking at the heart. He is looking for those whom are faithful to seek him.
At least, according to Jesus.
While I believe that Church is done and over materially, I still think is cool if people want to go to the Church.
The thing is, today, there is a direct connection between Yahavah and man. That is by and through the faithful seeking.
That is why I shared these scriptures.
There is no man between you and Yahavah/God.
It is your faith, and he works on the hearts and minds of people whom are his.
Did you know that? While mass people follow certain groups, it doesn't mean anything to God.
He is looking at the heart. He is looking for those whom are faithful to seek him.
At least, according to Jesus.
Then explain why Jesus would say to Peter, he was going to build "my church". A church founded by Jesus is far more worthy of consideration than ones own "personal revelations" and certainly more than yours. If Jesus didnt intend for there to be church then the following is useless drivel
Matthew 16: 19
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Matthew 18:18
“Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Is that really how you want to roll with the "spirit of Christ"?
@nedsk,
That was the bride of Christ, the Apostles were in charge of in that day. Doesn't pertain to me, today. I do believe we become partakers of Christ, and co-heirs with Christ and all of those things, but that church that was pure, blameless, and holy was taken.
Then you dont believe Jesus when he said the gates of the netherworld would not prevail against the church He established. Hmmm lets see...listen to Jesus or some rando on the internet who claims to have the "spirit of Christ". not a difficult choice.
Well, is the church you attend pure, holy, and blameless?
I don't believe a church like that exist. This is what Paul stated to the people at Ephesus
Yes the church is. Are the people? no
Again what you believe isnt relevant. Ok great! Where does he tell them to abandon the church? Chapter and verse please.
The church bride of Christ in that day was made up by the people.
So... I believe that they were taken.
The Bible, and what Jesus stated that he was coming back to get the bride in that day in age, Revelation states a message to seven real churches, some who had things right, some who had things wrong, and they were warned if they don't get it together as the Church Bride of Christ, they were gonna miss the boat.
Nah I just read it for what is worth. People can say I am wrong, or call me names behind my back. It doesn't matter anymore to me.
Wick Stick
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By EXAMPLE
The New Testament authors take the Old Testament out-of-context to apply it to themselves. And not like once or twice; they do it a lot. The main thesis of Matthew's gospel seems to be "how Jesus fulfils the prophets."
So then, following their example, we appropriate their writings for ourselves.
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