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Indeed, rather this:All believers have access to grace, but not all believers are ordained to teach. It's not in the Bible.
Hi Mary,Hi B5,
Of the Ten Commandments the Sabbath commandment is the only ceremonial commandment. The other 9 are moral commandments. A ceremonial rule (commandment) can be changed; a moral rule (commandment) can not be changed! You can hold a ceremony on any day. Jesus never commanded Christians to change the day so there is no "different commandment". The fact that Jesus rebukes too severe an interpretation of Sabbath law (Lk. 13:10–16, 14:1–5; Jn. 5:9–18, 7:22) suggests that the he was not pleased with the way that the Sabbath was being observed.
Who was given the authority to bind and loosen?
Mary
Thank you B5 for your heartfelt response. There are many things in it that I agree with.Hi Mary,...none of us will be saved for our pure doctrine,
Hi Mary,Thank you B5 for your heartfelt response. There are many things in it that I agree with.
Do you think that your stated belief, of which I quoted, are at odds with the following passages:
1 Timothy 4:16: Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
Titus 1:9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
Titus 2:1 You, however, must teach what is appropriate to sound doctrine.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Curious mary
Although I probably should have said:in the end, what will have saved us will be absolute truth as it is in Jesus, despite our ignorance to it.
Which group has the testimony of Christ? Which group is made up of faithful servants?
Your theory is lacking logic. After all if there is no authoritative panel of experts to decide these things that effect our salvation then how can you be on this forum telling the Catholics they are wrong in everything they believe and tell your Protestant brothers/sisters on here they are wrong in some of the things they believe????? Or are YOU the panel of experts??
whose mouth does that interpretation come out of?
Should I not trust the words that came out of the mouth of Calvin or Luther or anyone who has a different interpretation than you??? After all, they said they were spoken to by God also....
Who was given the authority to bind and loosen?
All believers have access to grace, but not all believers are ordained to teach. It's not in the Bible.
There is a church like that...Hey Backlit,
Interesting list of if's. If you were right about all those if's that would be One (John 17:10–11) powerful Church with authority to decide who is right and who is wrong and who can be shunned by The Church (Matthew 18:17, Titus 3:10, Romans 16:17). A Church that gave man the authority by Christ to forgive sins (John 20:23) would be One powerful Church. A Church that decides with the guidance of the Holy Spirit what you must believe/practice as a Christian (Acts 15) would be One authoritative Church. A Church with men that are supposed to hold fast to the doctrine they were taught so that they may save themselves and the people who hear them (1 Timothy 4:16) would be One authoritative Church. A Church that has teachers that can save you would be one powerful Church that would have been started by Christ with him as it's head.
But there is no Church like that.....is there Backlit?
Bible study Mary
Soooo FINALLY we agree...anyone that adheres to Catholic doctrine, which are of course the elect, is the group that adhere to the testimony of Christ.....Don't you know? It's the elect of course!
Malo.Hi ReChoired,
No. Please go back and read what I stated. I did not say God interprets "thru" (sic) me. Not even once. I said God interprets God. It's "in" the word itself. It is not "in" me. ...Soooo when God interprets Scripture thru you
Sure. Everybody knows people from Israel know lotsa Greek.@Behold is from Israel ask him if I'm correct.
No, it does not. The original Greek does not twist Jesus' words. Clearly, Jesus said "whatsoever you bind on earth" is the prior action.The term, "whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" and according to the Greek language should be rendered this way: "whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall having been bound in heaven:"
And likewise with with the word loose... "whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall having been loosed in heaven."
The prior action is in heaven, you see.
Then you would understand the Jesus stands in three distinct ministerial roles, and they are spoken of in a discussion between Jesus and the Pharisees. We can read of this exchange in Matthew 12 and 13.thank you. Yes, I do.
Do you read your own posts...do you need an editor perhaps?Ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν· ὅσα ἐὰν δήσητε ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς ἔσται δεδεμένα ἐν οὐρανῷ, καὶ ὅσα ἐὰν λύσητε ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς ἔσται λελυμένα ἐν οὐρανῷ.
"Truly I say to you, whatever (1)you bind on earth (2)shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever (1)you loose on earth (2)shall have been loosed in heaven.
I gotta say, that's exactly what I thought. Wow. Barely believable.Do you read your own posts...do you need an editor perhaps?
"Whatsoever you bind on earth"...present tense..."shall have been bound in heaven"...past tense.
"Whatsoever you loose on earth"...present tense..."shall have been loosed in heaven"...past tense.
True. "shall have" is not past tense...Very true. We're beaten....oh wait, no. "shall have been" is past tense, in any language. Which makes everything that follows..."shall have" or "shall be" is not past tense in any language.
Twaffle.But it manages to find its way into the language of those who have issues with biblical authority.
The Seat of Moses did not expire after Moses died, the rabbis had binding and loosing authority. It was sanctified and transferred to Peter and the Apostles. The groundwork was already there. The followers were Jews and understood full well what Jesus was talking about.
Without a Jewish perspective on the meaning of "binding and loosing", your lost. Worse, heaven becomes a dictator, giving explicit directives over rules of conduct because ordained leaders have no authority. That's insane.
Hi JunChosen,The term, "whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" and according to the Greek language should be rendered this way: "whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall having been bound in heaven:"
And likewise with with the word loose... "whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall having been loosed in heaven."
The prior action is in heaven, you see.
To God Be The Glory
Lol.....I don't need to go back and read what you stated. I know you never said that "you interpret Scripture". Your playing a word game and that's fine. Your saying that Scripture is interpreted by the Holy Spirit thru you which means I should believe every word that comes out of your mouth when you believe the Holy Spirit is working thru you.Malo.
No. Please go back and read what I stated. I did not say God interprets "thru" (sic) me. Not even once. I said God interprets God. It's "in" the word itself. It is not "in" me. ...
I do really desire you to understand this position. You do not need me. At all.