Who are the 144,000?

[RLT63]

Was it Jesus and the Gospel of Him, that were the witnesses?

No.

 

[MatthewG]

No.

Aren’t they suppose to have some type of powers that they are required to meet to even be those two witness?

 

[RLT63]

Aren’t they suppose to have some type of powers that they are required to meet to even be those two witness?

Fire comes from their mouths and consumes their enemies and they can cause it not to rain if I remember correctly

 

[MatthewG]

Where is that at?

 

[RLT63]

Where is that at?

Rev 11:5 - And if any man-will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouths, and devoureth their enemies and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Rev 11:6 - These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

 

[MatthewG]

The word of God has the power to do this things remember Egypt and the plagues! Was it Elijah the prayer with faith to keep the rain away? Hmm… who could fulfill these roles I wonder.

 

[RLT63]

The word of God has the power to do this things remember Egypt and the plagues! Was it Elijah the prayer with faith to keep the rain away? Hmm… who could fulfill these roles I wonder.

Some say Moses and Elijah, some say Enoch and Elijah

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus could have called down angels from
Heaven. Didn’t he say something like that?

 

[RLT63]

Jesus could have called down angels from
Heaven. Didn’t he say something like that?

Yes but I don’t see the relevance

 

[MatthewG]

He had mighty powers speaking the word of God that was like a sword that could put heat on man’s heart. Cutting the joints and marrow, and searching the hearts intent.

Just interesting to look at. He also was one who baptized in the holy spirt and fire.

 

[Space_Karen]

Does the prophecy imply the lost tribe of israel will return.

Before the 144,000 are tallied.

 

[MatthewG]

Does the prophecy imply the lost tribe of israel will return.

Before the 144,000 are tallied.

Weren’t they said to be have cut off completely?

 

[RLT63]

Does the prophecy imply the lost tribe of israel will return.

Before the 144,000 are tallied.

The Ten Lost Tribes: Mystery of the Myth: – Chuck Missler – Koinonia House

Chuck Missler explores the legend of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, the Northern and Southern Kingdoms, and what they might mean to modern Israel.

www.khouse.org

 

[MatthewG]

This division, which took place approximately 975 B.C., after the death of Solomon and during the reign of his son, Rehoboam, came about as the people revolted against heavy taxes levied by Solomon and Rehoboam.

Israel divided into two kingdoms

Read about when the division of the kingdom of Israel took place and why

www.thechurchnews.com

By Church News Archives 16 July 1994, 1:00 AM CDT

 

[keithr]

With God sevens and times are synonymous. The foreshadowing of "a time, times, and half a time" was the seven days/times of creation--the key word being "creation"...meaning all of it...all of time.

Seven days of creation? I'm sure it was six days:

Exodus 20:11 (WEB):

(11) for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore Yahweh blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy.​

Exodus 31:17 (WEB):

(17) It is a sign between me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.’”​

 

[David in NJ]

Seven days of creation? I'm sure it was six days:

Exodus 20:11 (WEB):

(11) for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore Yahweh blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy.​

Exodus 31:17 (WEB):

(17) It is a sign between me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.’”​

AWESOME = you discovered who the Creator is = Yaweh Jesus = the WORD that was God/Yaweh

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
He was with God in the beginning.
Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made."

JESUS, Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:
And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.

Did you get that keithr = you were created by JESUS and for JESUS, to serve JESUS, to love Him with all your heart mind, soul and strength.

You and i only consist because of Yaweh Word JESUS

That is why the 24 Elders who sit on thrones, wearing crowns, will throw down their crowns and come off their thrones to prostrate themselves before Yaweh Jesus and worship HIM.

 

[David in NJ]

Seven days of creation? I'm sure it was six days:

Exodus 20:11 (WEB):

(11) for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore Yahweh blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy.​

Exodus 31:17 (WEB):

(17) It is a sign between me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.’”​

@keithr and all who think they know YHWH,

i found the song that the 24 Elders sing and worship before the LAMB

When HE(LORD Jesus) had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp, and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song:

Then I looked, and I heard the voices of many angels and living creatures and elders encircling the throne, and their number was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands. In a loud voice they were singing:
Worthy are You
“Worthy is the Lamb
And the four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

 

[keithr]

AWESOME = you discovered who the Creator is = Yaweh Jesus = the WORD that was God/Yaweh

God (Yahweh) is the creator of all things. He created them though His only begotten son Jesus. It's important to recognise God as the creator, and not to believe the false theory of evolution, or life on earth being brought here by alien beings, or any other deception of Satan, because the Bible tells us:

Romans 1:18-32 (WEB):

(18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,​

(19) because that which is known of God is revealed in them, for God revealed it to them.​

(20) For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse.​

(21) Because, knowing God, they didn’t glorify him as God, neither gave thanks, but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless heart was darkened.​

(22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,​

(23) and traded the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed animals, and creeping things.​

(24) Therefore God also gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves;​

(25) who exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.​

(26) For this reason, God gave them up to vile passions. For their women changed the natural function into that which is against nature.​

(27) Likewise also the men, leaving the natural function of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another, men doing what is inappropriate with men, and receiving in themselves the due penalty of their error.​

(28) Even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;​

(29) being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, malice; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil habits, secret slanderers,​

(30) backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,​

(31) without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, unforgiving, unmerciful;​

(32) who, knowing the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also approve of those who practice them.​

 

[David in NJ]

God (Yahweh) is the creator of all things. He created them though His only begotten son Jesus. It's important to recognise God as the creator, and not to believe the false theory of evolution, or life on earth being brought here by alien beings, or any other deception of Satan, because the Bible tells us:

Romans 1:18-32 (WEB):

(18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,​

(19) because that which is known of God is revealed in them, for God revealed it to them.​

(20) For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse.​

(21) Because, knowing God, they didn’t glorify him as God, neither gave thanks, but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless heart was darkened.​

(22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,​

(23) and traded the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed animals, and creeping things.​

(24) Therefore God also gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves;​

(25) who exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.​

(26) For this reason, God gave them up to vile passions. For their women changed the natural function into that which is against nature.​

(27) Likewise also the men, leaving the natural function of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another, men doing what is inappropriate with men, and receiving in themselves the due penalty of their error.​

(28) Even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;​

(29) being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, malice; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil habits, secret slanderers,​

(30) backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,​

(31) without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, unforgiving, unmerciful;​

(32) who, knowing the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also approve of those who practice them.​

What is the image of YHWH/God that we should make a likeness of Him?

 

[David in NJ]

God (Yahweh) is the creator of all things. He created them though His only begotten son Jesus. It's important to recognise God as the creator, and not to believe the false theory of evolution, or life on earth being brought here by alien beings, or any other deception of Satan, because the Bible tells us:

Romans 1:18-32 (WEB):

(18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,​

(19) because that which is known of God is revealed in them, for God revealed it to them.​

(20) For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse.​

(21) Because, knowing God, they didn’t glorify him as God, neither gave thanks, but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless heart was darkened.​

(22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,​

(23) and traded the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed animals, and creeping things.​

(24) Therefore God also gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves;​

(25) who exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.​

(26) For this reason, God gave them up to vile passions. For their women changed the natural function into that which is against nature.​

(27) Likewise also the men, leaving the natural function of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another, men doing what is inappropriate with men, and receiving in themselves the due penalty of their error.​

(28) Even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;​

(29) being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, malice; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil habits, secret slanderers,​

(30) backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,​

(31) without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, unforgiving, unmerciful;​

(32) who, knowing the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also approve of those who practice them.​

keithr, this is who the 24 Elders and all of Heaven are worshiping = the LAMB who created ALL things

No one comes to the FATHER but through ME/YHWH/LORD JESUS