Who are the Saved?

[sondring7]

Knows the words maybe, but the power?

1 Cor 15.1-4 result Eph 1.13
Believe and trust only in the death burial resurrection of Christ results in saved justified and sealed with the HS till the day of redemption

 

[marks]

Since the discussion evolved into a classic OSAS vs NOSAS discussion allow me a related question.

I always wrestled with the below passage, in context the exact meaning of verse 12 -

Joh 1:9 The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.
Joh 1:11 He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him.
Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

So, believing in Jesus alone does not make you a child of God.

But when you believe in Jesus you have the right to become.

And you are supposed to do something with that right to become.

And John does not say how.

Unless you believe you can force yourself (using that right) to become born of God.

And I don't believe it works that way, being born again IMO is a life changing experience from God.

So, how about using that right ?

Puzzled....

"who were born of God", this passage presupposes that receiving the right is followed by the thing itself, rebirth, born of God.

This speaks of those whom believing, receiving Jesus, they have the right to become God's children, "who were born . . . of God".

Much love!

 

[sondring7]

"who were born of God", this passage presupposes that receiving the right is followed by the thing itself, rebirth, born of God.

This speaks of those whom believing, receiving Jesus, they have the right to become God's children, "who were born . . . of God".

Much love!

What did Jesus via Paul teach was required of you to be saved, justified, HS sealed ?
1 Cor 15.1-4 results in Eph 1.13, Col 2.13
What did Jesus via Paul teach was your performance requirements to be saved, justified, HS sealed ?
Gal 2.16, Rom 3.28, Eph 2.8-9, Rom 4.5, Rom 5.1

Do you accept those teachings of Jesus via Paul ?

 

[Episkopos]

1 Cor 15.1-4 result Eph 1.13
Believe and trust only in the death burial resurrection of Christ results in saved justified and sealed with the HS till the day of redemption

Believing things about Jesus doesn't save you. That is a very superficial belief system...based on a religious transaction whereby God is absent. How do you know that God approves of your conclusions? Why don't you believe you are poor naked wretched and blind as Jesus says?

 

[sondring7]

Believing things about Jesus doesn't save you. That is a very superficial belief system...based on a religious transaction whereby God is absent. How do you know that God approves of your conclusions? Why don't you believe you are poor naked wretched and blind as Jesus says?

1 Cor 15.1-4, Eph 1.13 says believing and trusting in the death burial resurrection of Christ does save, justify & HS seal you.
That is the saving Gospel that Jesus in Gal 2.2 taught to Paul

What verses are you relying on ?

 

[Episkopos]

1 Cor 15.1-4, Eph 1.13 says believing and trusting in the death burial resurrection of Christ does save, justify & HS seal you.
That is the saving Gospel that Jesus in Gal 2.2 taught to Paul

What verses are you relying on ?

What verses am I claiming? My preference?

I really think you need to listen to what Jesus is telling you.

 

[sondring7]

What verses am I claiming? My preference?

I really think you need to listen to what Jesus is telling you.

++++I really think you need to listen to what Jesus is telling you.
I do, He teaches how I am saved through His chosen Apostle for today of whom all the Apostles agreed with
Acts 9.15, Gal 2.7-9, Rom 11.13, Rom 15.16, 1 Tim 2.7, Eph 3.8 Acts 15.11-12

 

[ScottA]

This is hyper grace twaddle. Work out your own salvation (of the soul) with fear and trembling.

On the contrary, it is "rightly dividing the word of truth" and only twaddle to the natural man. For "the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

As for working out your own salvation with fear and trembling, you are confusing "works" (which do not save) with the labor of being delivered--not by works, but by new birth. You are a teacher--how is it that you do not know this, or even that it is not the child who labors, but the women? I tell you--that you might know--each one dies in childbirth.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Meanwhile, good works are not wrong, but good--but if our motivation is self-endurance--we rob from God. That is not what is meant by "endure unto the end." But rather, that being left to the sufferings and struggles of this world and being coupled with our old body of sin and death, we should be encouraged to endure until our work is done--just as Christ "who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross." Which is to say--those who say they will not sin, deny to suffer as Christ suffered.

I don't agree. Christ suffered and He never sinned. We can stop sinning.

John 8:34-36

King James Version
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

 

[sondring7]

I don't agree. Christ suffered and He never sinned. We can stop sinning.

John 8:34-36

King James Version
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

++++We can stop sinning.
I can sin less but while breathing will never be sinless