1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Who Do You Follow?

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by th1b.taylor, Jan 11, 2011.

  1. th1b.taylor

    th1b.taylor Active Member

    Messages:
    277
    Likes Received:
    22
    [font="Georgia][size="4"]2Ki 22:12[/size][/font][font="Georgia][size="4"] And the king commanded Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam the son of Shaphan, and Achbor the son of Micaiah, and Shaphan the scribe, and Asaiah the king's servant, saying, [/size][/font]

    [font="Georgia][size="4"]2Ki 22:13[/size][/font][font="Georgia][size="4"] Go ye, inquire of Jehovah for me, and for the people, and for all Judah, concerning the words of this book that is found; for great is the wrath of Jehovah that is kindled against us, because our fathers have not hearkened unto the words of this book, to do according unto all that which is written concerning us. [/size][/font]




    There are many paths for a man or a woman to follow today but when all of this is over only one will have been the correct path. Any Christian, should be able to tell you that and if they are following that path, they can point you down that trail and explain to you why it is the only path to eternal happiness. At the same time, in many Christian Churches, there are Pastors that are teaching, exactly, the opposite to this great truth.




    There are men, Rick Warren, Joel Osteen and many others that have become very successful in the eyes of the world about them. They are in the business of building Mega-Churches and that, in and of itself, is a problem. Christianity is not a business and it, in it's purest form, is not a religion! When we examine John 1:1-3 and then pray for God to teach us and we yield our minds, in prayer, to the Holy Spirit in meditative study, the Holy Spirit teaches us that Jesus, the God of the Old Testament, created Adam for fellowship and not for religion. (Gen. 1-3)




    If we will take the time to act like the Berean Believers (Acts 17:10-14) we can never be mislead and taught to believe lies. Rick Warren and Joel Osteen are very inspiring, motivational, speakers and both of them pretend to teach what the Word of God has to say, but do they? Mr. Warren is the pastor of Saddleback church in California and Joel pastors? A mega-church, here in SE Texas. Mr. Warren and Mr. Osteen have books published and are become rich through their ministries. The first question about any leader in any church, myself included, is, “Does their teaching reflect the teaching of the Bible or do they use the Bible as a prop in their teaching?”




    Over the past 21+ years I have often been accused of bilking the masses to become rich but the truth is that I began my ministry while I worked 5 and 6 days a week as a truck driver and today I live off my Veteran's Pension. I have, over the years received a few small, unsolicited, gifts from anonymous benefactors that choose to remain unannounced and their gifts have all been used to purchase computer parts and software to the benefit of the work God has led me to perform in His name.




    In the case of the mega-church leaders it is imperative that we guard our hearts and not be swept along with the crowd. The truth is that the crowd is on it's way to Hell ad God has called nobody to go there! Now, in the case of Joel Osteen, he rode his father's coat-tails into the ministry and is a great motivational speaker, but pulling yourself up by your boot-straps is not scriptural! In Psalm 46:10 and by chain-referencing from there we learn that we are to depend on God and not ourselves.




    In the case of Rick Warren we must be even more attentive to what proceeds out of his mouth. While Mr. Warren is seen, by the press, to be in a different light from Fred Phelps, of Westboro Church, I place them in the same light! Fred is teaching hate and Rick is teaching put your Bible down and listen to me! (See the Purpose Driven Life Course) Any man, woman or child that is being taught the Word of God, from the Word of God will see Red Flags popping into the air when any of these men and many, many others are teaching.




    When any person sits in my class, hears me preach or reads a message published by me, the very first item they need is to have their copy of the scriptures in their hand. In class I can accept nothing less but on the World Wide Web I know that this is not the case from the questions I am presented after a message. The truth of the matter is that today we must choose who we will follow and if you choose to follow me you are lost... eternally! My family and I have chosen to follow God and my message to you is to do the same! God has lead me into this Teaching Ministry and I have food to eat, a warm trailer to live in and my wife has a nice GMC truck to get me to the VA and to church with. I have my needs met and my riches are laid up for me in Heaven, where, after this short period, I will reside forever. My dearest hope is to see you there also!




    May God always bless you just as He is me!
     
  2. Thankful 1

    Thankful 1 New Member

    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    17


    (John 10:1-5)"Itell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, butclimbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by thegate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and thesheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads themout. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and hissheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow astranger;in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger'svoice."
     
  3. Robbie

    Robbie New Member

    Messages:
    1,125
    Likes Received:
    59
    Christ in my only teacher... and God my only Father...
     
  4. Miss Hepburn

    Miss Hepburn Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,663
    Likes Received:
    1,306
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    I'm sorry Mr. Taylor I won't be reading anymore of your posts...I don't care
    about fingerpointing at Joel or Mr. Warren or anyone else - - bringing my attention to your judgments
    or ideas about others
    is a huge drop in my energy. ( read Love)

    Not for me.
    But, good luck with that,
    I hope you grow out of it and focus only on the Divine Love of our Father one day and speak about that.
    Miss Hepburn
     
    Miss Hepburn likes this.
  5. th1b.taylor

    th1b.taylor Active Member

    Messages:
    277
    Likes Received:
    22
    Having been called of God and often disapproved by men, I am not surprised. I do feel that a good topical study on a fool is in order here and Proverbs 26:1-11 is an excellent beginning point.
     
  6. TexUs

    TexUs New Member

    Messages:
    1,197
    Likes Received:
    37
    And yet the Apostles encouraged and commended the church for testing what they were told and weighing weather or not something was beneficial.


    Pretending false teachers don't exist won't make them go away.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di9-PebV634
     
  7. Miss Hepburn

    Miss Hepburn Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,663
    Likes Received:
    1,306
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Yup, weighed it all - my focus is on my Father and His Gifts of Joy and Peace and Love, etc :)
    But, hey, good luck with
    pointing out others' wrongs to them and the world. I'm not being sarcastic.
    I guess there is a place for that - it sounds like clanging bells to me, personally.

    Maybe it helps someone else.
    Knock your selves out - not my cup of tea, that's all.
     
    gregg likes this.
  8. bud02

    bud02 New Member

    Messages:
    727
    Likes Received:
    12
    You still don't get it do you Miss Hepburn.
    Not my cup of tea indeed, it is not what goes into a man that defiles him but rather what comes out.
    I notice you reference the Father and not the Son?
     
  9. gregg

    gregg New Member

    Messages:
    321
    Likes Received:
    37
    what people notice is what they choose to notice i myself reference the father too, but we get their by his son. i notice miss Hepburn must of found Jesus or she never would of found Gods love. :rolleyes: no one comes to the father but by Jesus,can we see the connection or must it be said so you will notice everytime. :unsure: :rolleyes:
     
    gregg likes this.
  10. TexUs

    TexUs New Member

    Messages:
    1,197
    Likes Received:
    37
    Please tell me what John was commending in Revelation 2:2.
     
  11. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

    Messages:
    14,096
    Likes Received:
    4,766
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Um...all you really said in that long post is that you disagree with Joel Olsteen and Rick Warren because they have big churches and have written books you do not like.

    You have also mis-characterized Rick Warren by placing him in the same class with Fred Phelps and Joel Olsteen:

    1. Fred Phelps pickets funerals of people he has decided are going to Hell in order to incite violence so he can sue them

    2. Joel Olsteen has admitted on Larry King that he is not a theologian, nor is he really interested in spreading the gospel - he simply wants motivate people to live happy lives. He profits off his books and is a successful motivational speaker.

    3. Rick Warren never set out to create a mega-church - he just happens to live in a part of the country with a large population and his successful ministry grew with the population over the years. Willow Creek is a similar model with a similar story. As soon as Warren's book became successful, he paid his church back for the past 21 years of the salary he earned as their pastor. He has donate the majority of the rest of the money to mission work.

    Unfortunately, Warren has become every fundamentalist's favorite target because, although he is an Evangelical; he believes strongly in a social gospel - the welfare of people matter to him. He also understands God's command to Adam to tend His Garden so he supports certain environmental causes. His Purpose Driven Life book is not meant for theologians - Warren feels called by God to reach out to the under-churched.

    It is really too bad that you are such a literalist about worshiping in houses rather than churches - I think is similar to Christians who oppose stain glass windows in churches - who cares? You are saving deck furniture on the Titanic. Just love and preach love and compassion - the gospel was made for us, not us for the gospel.
     
  12. th1b.taylor

    th1b.taylor Active Member

    Messages:
    277
    Likes Received:
    22
    You are one strange Catholic, Aspen! Of course you are free to twist anything I say into a lie but there is the problem of context! In context I began this message with King Hilkiah having found the Bible in the Temple and him recognizing that God had a plan laid out for His people to follow... and they hadn't. From there, in context, I pointed out that there are many paths that are offered in this world and that some "pastors" taught many of these paths as if they were correct. I Then used three prominent False Teachers to further strengthen my point.

    Because of the never ending endeavor of the Lost Man, in and outside of the church, to continually find fault with the Basic Christian, I typed a disclaimer, intended to head off silly pursuits, much like this rabbit trail your on right now. Out of 9 Christian Forums, only here, has this lack of the ability to digest context erupted!

    Now, Rick Warren, the American Ecumenical Pastor that titles himself a Baptist being Evangelical, WOW! That hurts just to type that! You need to read his study material and compare every passage spoken of by him with what the Bible actually says. And then the quote from his TV appearance where he states it clearly that Jesus is not or may not be the only path to Heaven. You can watch his interviews on you tube.

    Youngster, the fear of God is the beginning of knowledge and study keeps one currant.
     
  13. Duckybill

    Duckybill New Member

    Messages:
    3,417
    Likes Received:
    44
    If he said that then he is deceived. Do you have any links to confirm this statement?
     
  14. rjp34652@yahoo.com

    [email protected] Choir Loft

    Messages:
    1,485
    Likes Received:
    63

    There is more illusion and falsehood to Mr. Osteen than meets the eye.
    Behind the scenes things are not exactly up to moral, and I 'm not talking about the prosperity gospel or his mega bankroll either.
     
  15. Duckybill

    Duckybill New Member

    Messages:
    3,417
    Likes Received:
    44
    I watched the video but I didn't really hear anything bad.
     
  16. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

    Messages:
    14,096
    Likes Received:
    4,766
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    Thanks for the invitation to finally leave my ignorance behind and submit to your wisdom and authority, Dad.

    I have read The Purpose Driven Life, and although it is not scholarly - it never claims to be. I have also attended conferences at Willow Creek and read a great deal about Willow Creek/Saddleback programs and understanding of the gospel. All the programs and information I read provided a great introduction to Christianity for the unchurched.

    Warren is a far cry from Joel Olsteen and even farther from Fred Phelps, who leads a hate group masquerading as a church. In the statement you misquoted from Warren - he was trying to say that Jesus is the only way to the Father, but there is more than one way to Jesus. The Bible supports his statement - those who haven't heard the gospel are not going to be judged harshly.

    The verses you provided speak about the importance of following God's laws - I agree. Then you lumped Rick Warren in with Joel Olsteen and Fred Phelps - I disagree.
     
  17. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

    Messages:
    14,096
    Likes Received:
    4,766
    Faith:
    Christian
    Country:
    United States
    It is really bad. Jesus never promised us health and wealth. He promised us that we would face trials. It is not an easy road to love unconditionally, but a necessary one for salvation. A victorious life is not Biblical.


     
  18. TexUs

    TexUs New Member

    Messages:
    1,197
    Likes Received:
    37
    Maybe it's because elsewhere you posted it nobody commented on it.
    http://th1bill.blogspot.com/

    The very fact he adds on a sentence to Scripture in order to support what he's preaching should tell you the man is preaching a false gospel.
     
  19. th1b.taylor

    th1b.taylor Active Member

    Messages:
    277
    Likes Received:
    22
    Are you incapable of using Google? I'm not trying to be smart but if you receive a car and do not pay for it it has no value to you.

    You might want to start reading tour copy of the scriptures and praying.
     
  20. th1b.taylor

    th1b.taylor Active Member

    Messages:
    277
    Likes Received:
    22
    You are free to disagree and to dislike all you want to. But the fact remains that all three are false teachers of the same genre of Jim Jones and the Waco Wacko. You come to Jesus through submission and by no other track or path. And that does not erase his leanings toward the One Church Movement. You ?cute? twist is not going to be found funny by the Christ. You made yourself a purveyor of falsehood when you insinuated that I suggested you follow me.

    My blogs are moderated blogs that require my approval before a post appears and most a rubbish and discarded. I said forums, not blogs, they are different.
     
Loading...